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Florida teens who recorded drowning man will not be charged in his death
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R10Neymarfan
Member
Guess we're gonna be the second country after China where no one does anything when a person is in trouble ok...
17 Seconds
Banned
i can feel it coming in the air tonight
djplaeskool
Member
I mean, sure, they could try, but without evidence that their negligence led to Dunn being in a dangerous situation in the first place, or actively making it worse, I dont see how that holds up in court, no matter how fucked the situation is. Suing for apathy seems like a bad precedent.
Charles Brandon
Member
If you haven't broken any laws I'm pretty sure you can't be sued successfully
Fucking this! Bloody psychopaths the lot of them
It's stuff like this that makes me hate the internet and smartphones and all the countless morons who are now growing up with it. For the rest of mankind, humans will be born into this world thinking that everything that happens or exist is for the "lulz and memez" and must be shown off on their social media for internet fame and glory. Fuck this new world.
Revolutionary
Member
Fucking pieces of shit. I hope karma comes back around on them and quick.
They were negligent because they didn't even call for help. Like I said arguments can be made but there's no guarantee they'd win. Maybe the judge would side with the Dunn family just off the strength of what the kids did being so fucked up and them not facing any sort of punishment otherwise
djplaeskool
Member
Civil court doesn't require a law be broken.
Red Liquorice
Member
Unbelievable. I hope their disgusting, evil behaviour haunts them for the rest of their pathetic, miserable little lives.
Frankfurter
Member
Living the Dream
Member
There's a reason we have the term 'bystander effect'. Essentially this is what they were doing. You just can't sue people for not assisting.
Muffin1611
Banned
That's bullshit. Many places have laws like this and judging if it's reasonable to charge someone for withholding aid is the exact job of a judge in a case like this.
Just horrible story all around... I am curious and maybe I just missed it in all that I have read but was he known to be not a good swimmer? He seemed to be in very good shape..
Just curious as to any theories as to why he may have had an issue in the water. The pond looked calm.. no animals involved right?
RIP and those little shits who did nothing.. I sure hope Karma is a thing you pieces of shit.
Just curious as to any theories as to why he may have had an issue in the water. The pond looked calm.. no animals involved right?
RIP and those little shits who did nothing.. I sure hope Karma is a thing you pieces of shit.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
laws are based at least tangentially on morals there really is no difference. In fact these kind of laws exist in many countries and I would assume states as well. They generally only apply to cases of gross negligence since it's hard to argue before court what is a proper reaction, especially for those untrained, to people in distress.
Pagusas
Elden Member
That is not at all how civil court works.
You are out of your mind if you think the 'bystander effect' has any overlap with what these kids were doing.
YES you can. You can sue for almost anything in civil court. Decent chance they might win too depending on the judge.
DeviantBoi
Member
I'd make sure that this video stays with them for the rest of their lives.
I'd email it to whatever university they're applying to or whatever employer has hired them.
I'd email it to whatever university they're applying to or whatever employer has hired them.
What if you see someone you really hate keel over clentching their chest or choking? Like this person is a real huge piece of shit. It could be divine intervention pulling the shit stain to hell. I shouldn't be required by law to interfere with the good Lord's work.
djplaeskool
Member
Unless one of these kids was a trained lifeguard or something, I'm not sure if "withholding aid" is even a thing here.
Not even calling for help or anything rhough, thats proper fucked.
ResidentWeevil13
Member
Yeah, I think the family could 100% sure for damages and probably win something.
Also in question is what the boys did with that video. Did they post it online. Are they the ones that sent it to the victims sister? I feel like you could definitely make a case in civil court for causing the family emotional distress, etc.
Lol. Tell that to OJ Simpson
Saw this last night and it was both infuriating and incredibly sad. I know that bad stories often dominate headlines and twist our perception of the world, but it's hard enough to feel positive at all about living in the US and then these little monsters go and lower my thoughts on that even further.
I hope the parents recognize that they have created absolute wretches who have no place in a civilized world.
I agree that legally it should not be required to help someone in that situation. Unless you're Michael Phelps doing so would be quite risky. Calling 911, throwing a log or something, or at least not taunting the person and recording it would be reasonable, however.
I hope the parents recognize that they have created absolute wretches who have no place in a civilized world.
I agree that legally it should not be required to help someone in that situation. Unless you're Michael Phelps doing so would be quite risky. Calling 911, throwing a log or something, or at least not taunting the person and recording it would be reasonable, however.
Muffin1611
Banned
Not calling 911 is withholding aid. It would have been entirely reasonable to do so.
Frankfurter
Member
Calling emergency services is the least they could have done.
Jawbreaker
Member
What a bunch of sick fucks. Zero regard for human life. I can't imagine how infuriating this must be for the guy's family.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
not calling for aid is also withholding it. The video shows they were clearly aware of the situations the man was in and capable of providing the minimum of help that is required in other parts of the world.
OriginofHysteria
Banned
I cant imagine how tough it is for the investigators to not be able to pin charges on these pieces of shit. And they get their identities hidden too. This is as if nothing happened except one guy died.
RIP to the victim.
RIP to the victim.
Charles Brandon
Member
OK you're correct -
So to be sued you either have to have caused harm, broken the law or broken a contract.
You'd have to go on "caused harm" here I suppose. But they haven't really caused any harm. The harm would have happened had they not been there. They just haven't actively tried to prevent harm bur I don't think that's good enough because if it was then it would open up people to suits all over the place when they could have acted and didn't.
/armchair lawyer not even from the same country
Edit: I'm going to assume this is sarcasm.
I sorta get not going into the water to try and save the guy, because there are a lot of stories out there where that just leads to multiple deaths.
Not calling 911 for help of any kind is horrible though.
I hope their lives go full on horror movie now. Some I know what you didn't do last summer stuff.
I think you could argue that they caused emotional harm to the victim's family, as there was a gap of time where they did not know the fate of the victim. They also wasted how much of law enforcement's time on a missing person's case?
Not calling 911 for help of any kind is horrible though.
I hope their lives go full on horror movie now. Some I know what you didn't do last summer stuff.
I think you could argue that they caused emotional harm to the victim's family, as there was a gap of time where they did not know the fate of the victim. They also wasted how much of law enforcement's time on a missing person's case?
Of course you can
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_rescue
We here in Germany are obligated to provide assistance.
Every country should have laws like this.
Good judges would err on the side of caution on what effect their judgments will have on future cases. You dont want to be overreaching in this or you could soon find people liable for all manner of ridiculous things. As shitty as this situation is, making people liable for not rendering aid is a bad idea unless youve got a really good piece of legislation that limits it to cases like this.
Evil John Locke
Member
My first thought too. Except way more sadistic. Hope something (bad?) happens to those kids to make them wake the fuck up.
This shit is textbook. We talk about this in first year law school in Canada and I'll never forget the look on my classmates faces when my teacher told us that he could pull up a chair and enjoy nice long drags on a cigarette while he watched a baby drown and not get charged with anything.
Morally it is questionable but legally you should never be forced to do anything as it foists you into a situation where you have a duty of care that you might breach by being negligent in a rescue effort. As for a law that says you need to call for help, even that is dubious as the threshold as to when a call should be made wouldn't be clear.
BlackRainbowFT
Member
In Switzerland (and other countries) we have the concept of "duty to rescue" (I had to look it up. I had no idea how to translate "non-assistance à personne en danger")...
I never thought 4chan-like behavior would exist in real life...
edit: beaten.
I never thought 4chan-like behavior would exist in real life...
edit: beaten.
Living the Dream
Member
This is Florida.
The family would propably win in civil court if they can get the system to take their case. Plenty of countries have a law that says you have to help people who are in immediate danger, so it's not a very good point to bring up repeatedly (that there seemingly doesn't exist laws like that in general).
shawnbuddy
Member
I'm not sure these kids ever had much of a future to take away. Clearly something is seriously wrong in their lives to teach them inaction and a lack of empathy.