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Fercho
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(05-19-2017, 03:04 PM)
I believe Sanders was a better candidate than Hillary. Don't know about Biden since he didn't run.

Elizabeth Warren will be a kick ass candidate in 4 years.
Yado
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(05-19-2017, 03:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by 100%TrophyMaster

I think he would have won had he ran. Although shit happens....darkest timeline.

I think it would probably have gone the same way considering how desperate people seemed to be for "something different"
TheLostBigBoss
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(05-19-2017, 03:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by Pagusas

Than why didnt he run?

Obama pushed him to not run because of the probability of a very ugly primary, and Biden most likely wouldn't have won anyways to Clinton in the primary.
friskykillface
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(05-19-2017, 03:04 PM)
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Diamond Joe vs Trump
My god what a hilarious scenario to imagine

Eh, to late for what if Joe
digitalrelic
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(05-19-2017, 03:05 PM)
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Sounds like he's ramping up for a run in 2020. I think he'd annihilate any competitor.
Haloid1177
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(05-19-2017, 03:05 PM)
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Originally Posted by nomster

I think Sanders backers would have had just as much distaste for him

Not many people dislike Biden. I'm sure there would be holdouts but there wouldn't have been so much vitriol about it.
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(05-19-2017, 03:05 PM)
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I'm not sure I would have voted for him in the primary, in fact I doubt it. And I think that he's gonna benefit from the Hypothetical Candidate thing that always happens when you haven't actually run in a given race.

However, I'll say the same thing I've been saying about trying something different in that election: Sure, I wish you had run. I'd be willing to retry this election with basically any change in parameters, because we've already ended up in the most bad outcome.
Glass Rebel
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(05-19-2017, 03:05 PM)
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Originally Posted by JadedWriter

Hilary was character assassinated for some 20 years. Whether she was on paper good or not is hard to really say, but I honestly felt she had more plans formulated than fucking Trump. I would've taken four more years of Obama lite over half ass Homunculus Nixon.

Absolutely but such is the nature of politics. It's naive to think that that shit doesn't affect a candidate's chances at presidency. Especially when she's also a woman.
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(05-19-2017, 03:05 PM)
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Originally Posted by nomster

I think Sanders backers would have had just as much distaste for him

He's a man who hasn't had 20 years of smearing against him so I doubt it even though he's further to the right of Clinton and probably wouldn't utilize identity politics to the Dem'a advantage as much.
broncobuster
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(05-19-2017, 03:06 PM)
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Maybe. It's easy to say these things after the fact, without the Republican smear machine working overtime. We missed out on stories about Joe being the secret mastermind of a drug smuggling burger joint.
BeforeU
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(05-19-2017, 03:06 PM)
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May be you can run in 2020 bruh
The Greek Freak
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(05-19-2017, 03:07 PM)

Originally Posted by nomster

I think Sanders backers would have had just as much distaste for him

Would Joe have implied Sanders was partially responsible for Sandy Hook?

Would Joe allow his campaign to get debate questions in advance?

Would Joe help coordinate really disgusting hit pieces vs Sanders?

I would like to think No X 3 so the distaste would simply be policy not personal.
Glass Rebel
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(05-19-2017, 03:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by Fox318

She was an uncharismatic horrible communicator that couldn't run a campaign and had a nack for hanging around scandalous figures like her husband and her top aid's husband.

Yea, and it's sad that all of this had more of an effect on her than Trump winning on a misogynist and xenophobic platform.
phanphare
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(05-19-2017, 03:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by nomster

I think Sanders backers would have had just as much distaste for him

yeah probably but he would have been better equipped to beat trump so that distaste would have subsided eventually
Carpe Libertatem
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(05-19-2017, 03:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by Cesare Borgia

Hillary Clinton has never won a contested, competitive primary in her life. She's not a good politician and has been handed opportunities due to her last name.

Ridiculous sexist comment. Par for the course to dismiss the accomplishments of a woman and instead essentially attribute them to her husband, though.
Sidewinder
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(05-19-2017, 03:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by Glass Rebel

The fact that a woman of her pedigree and expertise isn't a great candidate is just a sad reality of modern American politics.

This is why I'm glad, that the elections in my country are bland as hell...why vote for competent people when you can vote for entertainers, right??
Beartruck
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(05-19-2017, 03:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by Glass Rebel

The fact that a woman of her pedigree and expertise isn't a great candidate is just a sad reality of modern American politics.

A large part of politics, beyond actual political competence, is being charismatic. Hillary was a good politician but she had almost 0 charisma.

Last election was basically a loudmouthed jock versus a bookworm, and surprise, people went for the boisterous idiot.
Zyae
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(05-19-2017, 03:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by nomster

I think Sanders backers would have had just as much distaste for him

Sanders backers overwhelmingly voted for Clinton and the ones who didnt vote are not the reason she lost.
Kite
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(05-19-2017, 03:08 PM)
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I would have supported Biden over Hillary cus I like him more personally and his politics match mine even more closely. But I don't think many in gaf would like him that much, he is more center right. If ya'll thought Hillary wasn't pure enough, wait til you find out about Biden lolol

Being more centrist and less emphasis on social issues would probably have made him a stronger candidate in the general election tho.
tbm24
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(05-19-2017, 03:08 PM)
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Wouldnt have preferred Biden to Clinton, but I wouldn't be surprised if he'd have beat Trump.
theWB27
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(05-19-2017, 03:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by Jonnax

8 Years of Trump and/or Pence. Congrats.

At this point you can mention the moon comes out at night and people will put this. Just nonsense.

I honestly don't know what Biden would've done to beat the racist movement....Hillary had actual plans behind the promises to continue to make lives a little better and people still voted the empty promises and full on racist rhetoric.
HammerOfThor
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(05-19-2017, 03:08 PM)
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Even if he ran the Democratic nod still would have gone to Clinton. Everyone felt she "deserved" it for some reason. She even ran the thing like the presidency was hers to inherit and didn't put much effort into the campaign.
Regulus Tera
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(05-19-2017, 03:08 PM)
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He is right but he's not helping the Democratic cause by voicing this out in the open.
Plumbob
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(05-19-2017, 03:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by The Greek Freak

Would Joe have implied Sanders was partially responsible for Sandy Hook?

Would Joe allow his campaign to get debate questions in advance?

Would Joe help coordinate really disgusting hit pieces vs Sanders?

I would like to think No X 3 so the distaste would simply be policy not personal.

The answer is probably, it's the primary. Do you forget 2008?
Also, only one Dem campaign tried to pull anything like this during the primary:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.03efd9e7cf60
Vagabundo
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(05-19-2017, 03:09 PM)
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He's not wrong. She was a bad candidate, she would have been a good president.
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(05-19-2017, 03:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by theWB27

At this point you can mention the moon comes out at night and people will put this. Just nonsense.

Seriously lol

That has... absolutely nothing to do at all with the topic, but they just felt the need to chuck some of their pessimism into an unrelated thread.
Plumbob
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(05-19-2017, 03:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by Regulus Tera

He is right but he's not helping the Democratic cause by voicing this out in the open.

It may hurt, but doing this could open up the field in 2020.
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(05-19-2017, 03:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by The Greek Freak

Would Joe have implied Sanders was partially responsible for Sandy Hook?

Would Joe allow his campaign to get debate questions in advance?

Would Joe help coordinate really disgusting hit pieces vs Sanders?

I would like to think No X 3 so the distaste would simply be policy not personal.

And we're off
The Greek Freak
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(05-19-2017, 03:10 PM)

Originally Posted by Plumbob

The answer is probably, it's the primary. Do you forget 2008?


How could I forget the Clinton campaign starting this birther shit that went on for years.
DrForester
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(05-19-2017, 03:10 PM)
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I don't agree with those who think Bernie would have won.

I do agree with those who said Joe would have won. He wouldn't have been dumb enough to ignore the Midwest and rustbelt.
Tubs_McNubs
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(05-19-2017, 03:11 PM)
Lol. Biden wasn't a good candidate in 2008, and I doubt he would've been a good candidate in 2016. But he's right that Hillary wasn't good either
Herr Schwarz
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(05-19-2017, 03:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by Regulus Tera

He is right but he's not helping the Democratic cause by voicing this out in the open.

the republican cause is getting ass blasted far harder than whatever joe is saying about the democratic party.

after the shit that's going to go down, the republicans, all of them are going to be guilty by association. commie sympathisers. with absolutely no real ideals or principals. and anytime they shit out principals any democrat with chops will be like "well you supported pussy grabber-communist trump"
tbm24
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(05-19-2017, 03:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by Haloid1177

Not many people dislike Biden. I'm sure there would be holdouts but there wouldn't have been so much vitriol about it.

I don't think Biden would have been spared from the primary infighting with Sanders group. I think he could have gotten away with it more than Clinton did because people like Biden more for his personality than anything he's done as an elected official.
dramatis
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(05-19-2017, 03:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by nomster

I think Sanders backers would have had just as much distaste for him

Many Sanders backers are often there because of 'charisma' and 'likeability' and not because of policy or positions.
Mr.Shrugglesツ
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(05-19-2017, 03:12 PM)
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This idea that Obama asked Biden not to run is insane:

Vice President Joe Biden received President Barack Obama's "blessing" to make a 2016 bid for the White House, according to a senior Democrat.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/24/politi...016/index.html
Cesare Borgia
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(05-19-2017, 03:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by nomster

I think Sanders backers would have had just as much distaste for him

I don't think Sanders would have become a "thing" if the primary was more contested, ie if Biden had run. Much of Sanders' support revolved around more anti-Hillary sentiment than genuine anti-establishment or anti-Wall St furor. Biden is charismatic and likable, unlike Clinton, which would have earned him a decent amount of support and respect.

Biden's long term problem was that a lot of opposition research was going to be dumped on him and propagated by pro-Hillary left media online. He'd be drowned in stories and think pieces about being sexist, the crime bill, etc. This was clearly a major reason why Obama argued a Biden run wouldn't be a good idea (he didn't tell him not to run). Why go out the door being shat on, basically. I think Biden would have come in second and won some states, but wouldn't come close to beating Hillary in large part due to the south.

Ultimately he wasn't going to run anyway due to his son.
JJH
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(05-19-2017, 03:12 PM)

Should've ran Joe.
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(05-19-2017, 03:12 PM)
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She would have been president if luck was on her side and she got a little increased turnout in three states. Very few Dem candidates can match Obama's 2008 turnout. 65 million is pretty damn good. Joe is right in the sense she didn't campaign well etc.
Glass Rebel
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(05-19-2017, 03:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by Sidewinder

This is why I'm glad, that the elections in my country are bland as hell...why vote for competent people when you can vote for entertainers, right??

Haha, same. But I guess that also comes with our political system here. Not that it's not completely free of bullshit, just on a different level.
Kilau
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(05-19-2017, 03:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by The Greek Freak

How could I forget the Clinton campaign starting this birther shit that went on for years.

Surprised to see someone here acknowledge that.
GrizzleBoy
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(05-19-2017, 03:12 PM)
She wasnt a great candidate, I think we can all agree.

Still doesn't absolve America from electing Donald Trump though.


You don't go eat shit out of your cats litter box because your steak wasn't juicy enough.

You don't go and buy injustice:gods among us, just because you cant win online in SF5.

You don't go finish yourself off in the bathroom just because she doesnt like doggy.

Or maybe you do, America.

Maybe you do.
gutter_trash
(05-19-2017, 03:13 PM)
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I like Joe, I like Joe allot.

But he has ran for President several times and failed to clinch the Democratic nomination every time

granted that Dukakis' team did do a low blow by leaking tapes of plagerisim to the press which screwed Biden in 1987
tbm24
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(05-19-2017, 03:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by Plumbob

It may hurt, but doing this could open up the field in 2020.

I don't see how this does that in any capacity. That and the field is as open as it could possibly be.
jWILL253
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(05-19-2017, 03:13 PM)
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If you ain't shitting, get off the goddamn pot, Joe.

Also, if you're still whining about Hillary 5 months into a treasonous presidency - one that was won by the spreading of misinformation, collusion, and the pettiness of White people - you're no different than a Trump supporter in my eyes.

Move the fuck on, already.
Acosta
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(05-19-2017, 03:14 PM)
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He was (and is) completely right.

Yass queen my ass. Awful candidate with the charisma of a stone, Joe would have win this, easily.
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(05-19-2017, 03:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by dramatis

Many Sanders backers are often there because of 'charisma' and 'likeability' and not because of policy or positions.

People are just blinded by the charisma of Bernie Sanders. The old guy with bad hair that yells all the time lol
Linkark07
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(05-19-2017, 03:14 PM)
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Well, he is right. Shame he didn't run but I understand why he decided to stay quiet.
Veelk
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(05-19-2017, 03:14 PM)
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As much as I love Biden and would have probably voted for him over Hillary, he's totally, 100% wrong. She was a great candidate. She just tried to get elected in a shitty culture.
Kite
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(05-19-2017, 03:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by The Greek Freak

How could I forget the Clinton campaign starting this birther shit that went on for years.

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinto...ther-movement/

Snopes says false, alternative facts?
Knuckle Sandwich
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(05-19-2017, 03:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by The Greek Freak

How could I forget the Clinton campaign starting this birther shit that went on for years.

It wasn't Clinton or her campaign. You've been fake news'd.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...er-fact-check/

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