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These jury systems are vestiges of white supremacy (WaPo)

Piecake

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Louisiana and Oregon are not often thought of in the same vein. But on the issue of non-unanimous juries, they are kindred spirits.

In these two states, the prosecutor needs to persuade only 10 of 12 jurors for a felony conviction that does not involve the death penalty. All other states require unanimous jury decisions in felony cases — as does the federal system, including federal courts in Louisiana and Oregon.

These jury systems are largely unnoticed vestiges of white supremacy and oppression in our legal system. The Supreme Court now has the chance to accept a case that could end the use of non-unanimous juries in criminal cases. It should take this chance.

Louisiana required unanimous verdicts when it became a territory in 1803, but non-unanimous verdicts were formally adopted as law during Louisiana's 1898 constitutional convention, where lawmakers declared that their ”mission was . . . to establish the supremacy of the white race."

Eliminating unanimity accomplished two things. First, the change paved the way for quick convictions that would facilitate the use of free prisoner labor as a replacement for the loss of free slave labor. Second, it ensured that African American jurors could not use their voting power to block convictions of other African Americans. An 1870 editorial in the New Orleans Daily Picayune posited that the recently emancipated were ”wholly ignorant of the responsibilities of jurors, unable to discriminate between truth and falsehood in testimony, and capable only of being corrupted by bribes."

In Oregon, the 1934 change from a unanimous to a non-unanimous jury system targeted primarily ethnic and religious minorities. By the 1930s, the Ku Klux Klan found widespread acceptance in the state. Anti-immigrant and anti-Semitic sentiments peaked in 1933, when a jury failed to convict a Jewish man in the murder a Protestant man, instead handing down a verdict of manslaughter. The Morning Oregonian blamed the verdict on ”the vast immigration into America from southern and eastern Europe, of people untrained in the jury system." It then accused immigrants of making ”the jury of twelve increasingly unwieldy and unsatisfactory." The following year, Oregon passed a ballot measure to allow felony convictions based on a less-than-unanimous vote.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...f053ff30921_story.html?utm_term=.951f4b130640

I didn't realize this was a thing...
 

Piecake

Member
Wasn't that kind of... ehm, obvious?

I mean, it IS the topic of 12 Angry Men after all.

(and one of the reasons almost no other country uses it so widely)

No it isnt.

If 12 Angry Men was set in either Oregon or Louisianna the dude would have been found guilty of murder because you only need 10 out of the 12 in non-death penalty cases
 
No it isnt.

If 12 Angry Men was set in either Oregon or Louisianna the dude would have been found guilty of murder because you only need 10 out of the 12 in non-death penalty cases

Late apology for completely missing the point the article was making. It's avoiding having to deal with dissent (by jurors 11 and 12), not reinforcing it.

Now that it's evening in the US this might get the crowd it deserves.

Why care? This:
The Supreme Court is expected to make a decision next week on whether to review the conviction of Dale Lambert, a Louisiana man who was found guilty of murder by only 10 of 12 jurors. This is a chance for the court to remove this relic of white supremacy and protect rights guaranteed by the Sixth and 14th amendments.
 

rudger

Member
Late apology for completely missing the point the article was making. It's avoiding having to deal with dissent (by jurors 11 and 12), not reinforcing it.

Now that it's evening in the US this might get the crowd it deserves.

Why care? This:

Oh interesting. Didn't realize this was about to be decided on. Any notion on how it might play out?
 
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