That's almost the exact opposite of what the person said. Don't judge all of Naughty Dog over the actions of a single (or a few?) people. There is absolutely zero evidence that this type of conduct is widespread there.
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Polygon/Verge writer says Naughty Dog staff said inappropriate things to her (quote)
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That's almost the exact opposite of what the person said. Don't judge all of Naughty Dog over the actions of a single (or a few?) people. There is absolutely zero evidence that this type of conduct is widespread there.
Maybe just maybe ND and it's staff should do more than rushing a statement out and take a good look at itself or maybe video games are not as important as the victim. If your first worry is about tlou2 maybe you should take a cold hard look at the mirror.
You must be a colleague from the STPD (that's snarky town pd) then. My fault for expecting that this outrage came from actual compassion.
Not what I said, or implied. Did you not read the reply of the person I quoted?
The person I quoted made it seem like the Verge reporter was just looking for attention. Which is a very dumb way of looking at it. Should her statement mean someone is 100% guilty? No. But it means instead of asking where are the receipts or why it took this long for her to say anything, ND or Sony should contact her and ask for her side of the story. His makes 3 reports (that I know of) in the past 3 weeks of shady things happening at ND. Us gamers shouldnt be blowing this off and immedtely assume these are just people looking for attention.
Sad. The IT businesses are overrun with creepy, socially awkward, demented, harassing fuckwads and it's extremely hard to weed these people out, especially if the company is based in a country where workplace regulations make it hard to implement corrective actions. Movements such as #metoo (here in Sweden, dunno if it has taken a foothold elsewhere) are excellent to highlight the nature of sexual harassment, but it's an entirely different matter to expect coorporations to take quick, corrective actions while working within the trappings of workplace laws.
KonradLaw
Member
The reporter doesn't work for Naughty Dog though, so I'm not sure how workplace regulations would apply here. This is more like something their bosses should drill into their heads as unaaceptable behaviour than anything law would be able to handle.
True, but any serious workplace have codes of conduct, and I doubt they're designed in a way to exclude applicability for external parties such as journalists that may interview employees. Either way, the point still stands, if you try to get rid of people that behave inappropriately under the guise of the company name, it's harder than it looks.
A total shame if this is true, unfortunately I can't wait for people to boycott ND games though when literally every company ever has assholes like this.
Not saying it's okay in the slightest because it isn't, but with that mentality you should boycott everything. Don't torch a studio to the ground and generalize an entire workplace because of a very small minority of dickheads. Instead, hope these awful people are weeded out like they so clearly should be. I do hope this is checked into and I hope to God there is proof, I can't stand people like that.
Not saying it's okay in the slightest because it isn't, but with that mentality you should boycott everything. Don't torch a studio to the ground and generalize an entire workplace because of a very small minority of dickheads. Instead, hope these awful people are weeded out like they so clearly should be. I do hope this is checked into and I hope to God there is proof, I can't stand people like that.
Turin Turambar
Member
Well, it isn't like just can expect well-adjusted people in ND.
As it's known, the only people that stay there are peole fine with 80-100 hours/week.
As it's known, the only people that stay there are peole fine with 80-100 hours/week.
Zeouterlimits
Member
ND condone harassment by having this person continue to be on their payrole, assuming he is.
autoduelist
Member
That's my guess. Some random conversation about House of Cards and he took it there, trying to be jokingly flirtatious and instead being... awful.
Yes, it would be woeful if they didn't get quite as much money as they could because people react badly to a company having sexual harassers on their staff.
We dont know the context for this. Could be this was at an industry party, for example. That would be a much more casual setting than, say, an interview or request for comment.
Its still a really shitty joke, and also a shining example of why Hollywoods portrayal of female journalists invariably as sex objects who fuck the objects of their writing (as opposed to competent professionals who behave according to proper ethical standards) is so harmful. House of Cards was on my shitlist for the character of Zoe Barnes.
This also doesnt say anything about Naughty Dog, besides that one of its 300 staff is a douchebag.
fly high ~ayunite~
Member
How long can Sony really get away with not closing down this studio? The name is so tainted now.
DirgeExtinction
Member
I wonder if it's the same dude that harrassed the other guy.
How would they condone something if they weren't made aware of it when it happened, assuming they weren't?
Seeing people in here jumping in front of Naughty Dog (or hell, even the harasser) to defend them is so depressing. Is your next $60/20 hour fun ride that much more important than calling out toxic shit in this garbage industry? Really? Boo hoo, maybe TLOU2 sells 20k less because, yes keep in mind GAF and invested gamers are still only a fraction of the gaming space, just because we haaaad to talk about another journo who "just makes up stuff for the attention"
Like what the fuck
Food for thought, full-on boycott of a company's prodcuts to raise awareness wouldn't be even remotely necessary if executives/higher-ups didn't need a figurative smack on the head to feel motivated to do something about sexual harassment at work.
Like what the fuck
Food for thought, full-on boycott of a company's prodcuts to raise awareness wouldn't be even remotely necessary if executives/higher-ups didn't need a figurative smack on the head to feel motivated to do something about sexual harassment at work.
Are you serious?
No, he's/she's not.
Oh thanks, hard to tell these days!
You see this everywhere. Movies. Music. Any industry with a fanbase. There will always be a shocking number of people willing to excuse literally any behavior as long as they are entertained.
The perfect consumer.
Who gives a shit about a game in this situation?
1.21Gigawatts
Banned
Naughty Dog hasn't even acknowledged anything yet. We don't know if the studio is actually involved, by covering it up.
We also don't know if its the same person as in the other allegations...
Its way too early to give ND a pass here.
I've even saw people literally excuse Ian Watkins because "when I met him he was really nice and I don't believe he'd do that".
So I'm really not surprised anyone will defend any corporation / entertainment that they like regardless of the situation.
fabricated backlash
Member
Sarcasm?
Monkeyball
Banned
Why are all the names of these people protected exactly?
If you say "Naughty Dog staff" or "One producer" you basically make everyone speculate who did it. Just say the name, they deserve it.
If you say "Naughty Dog staff" or "One producer" you basically make everyone speculate who did it. Just say the name, they deserve it.
The same day America throw the entire Trump family into jail.
I believe someone said people can get sued for mentioning names. Probably just US thing.
synce
Member
You're saying Person X should accuse Person Y of something on twitter, and this makes Person Y deserve something without a hint of evidence or due process? These are interesting times we live in.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
ND can't do anything about this person until the journalist drops his name.
Witch hunts usually always end up horribly.
CecilRousso
Member
I assume that's not a completely serious answer, cause that's not how you solve problems.
TheTylerRob
Member
Obviously there are reasons for her not to name names, but not naming is what causes witch hunts. Remember when Nick Robinson got named and he actually suffered consequences?
Do you know the full phrase from which the term "bad apples" originates?
PeakPointMatrix
Member
Think this through again, and understand that you are implying the actions of few should dictate that 600+ employees with families, children and loved ones lose their job.
Those that hid, facilitate and are responsible for this should suffer the consequences, no doubt. What youre suggesting helps nothing.
GhostTrick
Banned
They're not going to close Naughty Dog over this. Even if that was a realistic avenue for them to go down, as if ND wasn't their most beloved studio, this industry (and it's fans) constantly express far more concern for the fetishism of the products than the safety of victims in regards to sexual harassment. Look at how many tweets about this shit you see where people are more concerned about TLOU2 than the people actually affected by this kind of shit.
The industry and its communities don't care. Not with any degree that could be deemed meaningfully compassionate.
