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Madman · Apr 15, 2007

Couple comments.

The snake seems fine. If you have a pool go try this. Get a broom, and slowly lower it into the water. On impact, it will ripple a little, but after that it will just glide through, All the scales on the serpent would do is create turnbulence, which is what is shown in the vdeo. Looks good enough.

The developers walk through was amazing. The scale of this game is absolutely massive. If anything, it's at least an incredible tech demo.

Which bring me to gameplay. If they can keep variety in what you fight and the skills you earn, it should be fine. The ship segment was really cool and was the segment that raised my hopes about the gameplay. Can't wait to see how it turns out.

bobbytkc · Apr 15, 2007

I think it is because that people expect too much out of this generation.

You guys can talk about this effect or that effect, but in the end, you need Programmers to write it in code to make it happen, and it ain't easy!! each and every single detail is written in computer code, and it isn't like you just draw it out and the computer knows what you want. There are millions of little detail and each needs to be added individually, and it is impossible to do them all... and this is without consideration of the hardware.

Give them a break, man. They've done great stuff in a short time, with only 80 people (not all of which are programmers, and not all programmers are geniuses). I would sing praises for what they have done, but some people miss the forest for the trees.

NeonBlade · Apr 15, 2007

Kleegamefan said:
If game is Halo 3=don't judge alpha graphics

If game is LAIR=Judge alpha graphics

Oh no no, don't be like that. We will have ample time to harp and hate and troll Halo 3 when its shown proper.

belvedere · Apr 15, 2007

Ceb said:
Save for the initial ripple, the water doesn't seem to move like it should when a giant snake dives into it.

It looks pretty impressive to me. Especially how the water breaks against the rocks and sprays. There's also mist/spray coming off the serpent thing too.

antiloop · Apr 15, 2007

In any case, now they have the engine "done".

Next game they build with it should be even cooler.

Edit: Just as for example Resistance 2 and Motorstorm 2. Insomniac and Evolution Studios both built their own engines together with the R:FoM and MS1.

Jibber Hack · Apr 15, 2007

Literally every time I see this game I like it a little more. Factor 5 makes some beautiful games, but they don't seem to put as much polish into the gameplay. So far it's a nice visual package, but the ground gameplay looks clunky and I'm wary about the motion sensitive ramming of other dragons. There's no way that can feel spot on. Lastly is timed missions gotta go. It was so frustrating in the Rogue Squadron games. Dunno why they chose to bring them back for this game.

mckmas8808 · Apr 15, 2007

Jibber Hack said:
Lastly is timed missions gotta go. It was so frustrating in the Rogue Squadron games. Dunno why they chose to bring them back for this game.

I'm curious, where did you see timed missions?

DemonSwordsman · Apr 15, 2007

mckmas8808 said:
I'm curious, where did you see timed missions?

i dont think all missions are timed. they said in 1UP show that there are some timed missions. But the dev said that some missions are very linear. But others are not.

kaching · Apr 15, 2007

Gametrailers is supposed to be putting up a 3rd part of the developer walkthrough this weekend, right?

Kittonwy · Apr 15, 2007

It seems the dragon flying animations are very smooth, and the ramming animations seem more natural to me than the last time I saw Lair.

mckmas8808 · Apr 15, 2007

kaching said:
Gametrailers is supposed to be putting up a 3rd part of the developer walkthrough this weekend, right?

Yep. Not sure what happened. We even had a guy that works for Gametrailers here. Maybe he could explain what's going on and when they will put it up.

Safe Bet · Apr 15, 2007

I'm not sure if this has been asked yet, but...

Rumble?

Raist · Apr 15, 2007

Safe Bet said:
I'm not sure if this has been asked yet, but...

Rumble?

InterMoniker · Apr 15, 2007

Safe Bet said:
I'm not sure if this has been asked yet, but...

Rumble?

I don't think so, since LAIR's been pimping the SixaxiS.

kaching · Apr 15, 2007

mckmas8808 said:
Yep. Not sure what happened. We even had a guy that works for Gametrailers here. Maybe he could explain what's going on and when they will put it up.

I know - I'm just putting up the bat signal. Satterfield said part 3 is coming plus a "bunch of other stuff" this weekend. I'm just letting 'em know the weekend is running out

Jibber Hack · Apr 15, 2007

mckmas8808 said:
I'm curious, where did you see timed missions?

Uh, on the 1up Show Kathleen talks about how she's worried that it will have the same structure that the Rogue Squadron games had with timed missions. And I believe that there was another piece of video (I've watched so many in the last two days) said that there are medals in this game in the same way that they had them in Rogue Squadron. The way you earned medals in the past? Time was a big factor in earning those in their previous games.

nelsonroyale · Apr 15, 2007

Im waiting for the 3rd part as well!

Raist · Apr 15, 2007

I've been periodically refreshing the Lair page on GT for 2 days now :lol

Did they lie ? :/

KGKK · Apr 15, 2007

Raist said:
I've been periodically refreshing the Lair page on GT for 2 days now :lol

Did they lie ? :/

They're pulling an IGN it seems:lol

TONX · Apr 15, 2007

Safe Bet said:
I'm not sure if this has been asked yet, but...

Rumble?

It's possible that they can add rumble with a patch once the actual controllers are released. I mean Insomniac released a patch for rumble support in Resistance recently.

InterMoniker · Apr 15, 2007

TONX said:
It's possible that they can add rumble with a patch once the actual controllers are released. I mean Insomniac released a patch for rumble support in Resistance recently.

No way they did?

Core407 · Apr 15, 2007

TONX said:
It's possible that they can add rumble with a patch once the actual controllers are released. I mean Insomniac released a patch for rumble support in Resistance recently.

Where did you hear that.

InterMoniker · Apr 15, 2007

Does this

+

work right now?

Raist · Apr 15, 2007

I've seen adapters like that for sale, but never tried.

Would only work for PS2 games anyways. I still have my PS2 so I don't care

TONX · Apr 15, 2007

I read it in the update details in their last patch. im looking for it now.

Core407 · Apr 15, 2007

InterMoniker said:
Does this +

work right now?

Yep, should work no problem as far as I understand it. I've got one shipping to me right now so I can give you a better answer once I get it.

InterMoniker · Apr 15, 2007

Raist said:
I've seen adapters like that for sale, but never tried.

Would only work for PS2 games anyways. I still have my PS2 so I don't care

Still got my PS2 as well, just wondering

TONX said:
I read it in the update details in their last patch. im looking for it now.

Awesome

Core407 said:
Yep, should work no problem as far as I understand it. I've got one shipping to me right now so I can give you a better answer once I get it.

Nice can't wait to see if it works in Resistance.

Tieno · Apr 15, 2007

Do you also then get rumble on the ps3, like for example when playing God of War 2?

mckmas8808 · Apr 15, 2007

TONX said:
I mean Insomniac released a patch for rumble support in Resistance recently.

The Jer · Apr 15, 2007

TONX said:
It's possible that they can add rumble with a patch once the actual controllers are released. I mean Insomniac released a patch for rumble support in Resistance recently.

they didn't

TONX said:
I read it in the update details in their last patch. im looking for it now.

Here is the Thread.

Post #33 is the actual changelist.
Post #34 is a joke. The quote was changed.

Steroyd · Apr 15, 2007

TONX said:
I read it in the update details in their last patch. im looking for it now.

I think someone jokingly put it in a quote.

*edit*

DAMN!!!

InterMoniker · Apr 15, 2007

Tieno said:
Do you also then get rumble on the ps3, like for example when playing God of War 2?

I haven't tried it but I would assume it does, same with Resistance if they added the rumble patch. I remember right when Sony settled the lawsuit with Immersion I started thinking about this scenario.............
EDIT:

The Jer said:
they didn't

Here is the Thread.

Post #33 is the actual changelist.
Post #34 is a joke. The quote was changed.

Mehhhhhhhhh.................-_-

Y2Kev · Apr 15, 2007

that's crazy impressive to me

Big-E · Apr 15, 2007

Y2Kevbug11 said:
that's crazy impressive to me

WOW.

Kittonwy · Apr 15, 2007

I like how the scales would fly off as the dragon attacks the giant snake.

brandonh83 · Apr 15, 2007

Y2Kevbug11 said:
that's crazy impressive to me

That's because you're not a ding-a-ling.

Jibber Hack · Apr 15, 2007

I hope that was sarcasm Kittowny, but I myself hate when game design clashes with my own vision of how things should be. It just irks me to see all of those little fire balls being shot out in such quick succession. It's a small gripe, but it just kinda crossed my mind. I also didn't like it too much in Rogue Leader, but I got used to it. The game does look awesome so far after watching even more vids.

mckmas8808 · Apr 15, 2007

Jibber Hack said:
I hope that was sarcasm Kittowny, but I myself hate when game design clashes with my own vision of how things should be. It just irks me to see all of those little fire balls being shot out in such quick succession. It's a small gripe, but it just kinda crossed my mind. I also didn't like it too much in Rogue Leader, but I got used to it. The game does look awesome so far after watching even more vids.

Don't most games do it this way?

kaching · Apr 15, 2007

Kittonwy said:
I like how the scales would fly off as the dragon attacks the giant snake.

Must be in it's molting phase, because if itty bitty fireballs can knock them off that easy, imagine what just diving through the water should do

SolidSnakex · Apr 15, 2007

The scale of the game makes me wonder what SoTC would've been like had it been done on the PS3 instead of the PS2. WKS should sort of give us an idea.

Doom_Bringer · Apr 15, 2007

SolidSnakex said:
The scale of the game makes me wonder what SoTC would've been like had it been done on the PS3 instead of the PS2. WKS should sort of give us an idea.

Isn't this game broken into levels? or does it take place in one huge world like oblivion or GTA?

Jibber Hack · Apr 15, 2007

mckmas8808 said:
Don't most games do it this way?

You've got to look at it from the specific genre of arcade shooters. Sure, those games do it but it clashes with the amount of realism and detail they're going for here.

Doom_Bringer · Apr 15, 2007

Jibber Hack said:
I hope that was sarcasm Kittowny, but I myself hate when game design clashes with my own vision of how things should be. It just irks me to see all of those little fire balls being shot out in such quick succession.

In Ace Combat games your jet can carry 80 - 100 + missiles :lol

Sometime it's best to forego realism. I mean who wants to head back to base to rearm after firing 4 - 5 missiles?? Fire breath in Lair would be too slow and lame, it would slow the game play down.

kaching · Apr 15, 2007

Jibber Hack said:
but I myself hate when game design clashes with my own vision of how things should be.

If you want to be a slave to "realism" then you might start by asking how a species like humans managed to advance to the point of medieval technology in a world that seems to be teeming with fire-breathing dragons and mile-long sea serpents.

I mean, the way the sea serpents back armor gets ripped away so easily bothers me in passing but if I let it get to me more than that, I'd play very few video games.

mckmas8808 · Apr 15, 2007

SolidSnakex said:
The scale of the game makes me wonder what SoTC would've been like had it been done on the PS3 instead of the PS2. WKS should sort of give us an idea.

What does WKS have to do with SoTC?

drohne · Apr 15, 2007

the scales falling off the snake is right out of panzer dragoon. it's a satisfying response to a successful hit, giant sea snake physiology be damned.

kaching · Apr 15, 2007

Doom_Bringer said:
Isn't this game broken into levels? or does it take place in one huge world like oblivion or GTA?

It's level-based, but they're 32x32 kilometer levels, so somewhere in between.

Doom_Bringer · Apr 15, 2007

mckmas8808 said:
What does WKS have to do with SoTC?

the game focuses on grandiose scale like Shadow of the colossus

mckmas8808 · Apr 15, 2007

kaching said:
It's level-based, but they're 32x32 kilometer levels, so somewhere in between.

How many kilometers huge or long is GTA:SA or Vice City?

Doom_Bringer · Apr 15, 2007

kaching said:
It's level-based, but they're 32x32 kilometer levels, so somewhere in between.

I guess if Lair were a sandbox game it just wouldn't work. Having levels in these games is very important

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