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Titanfall has maximum player count of 12 (alongside AI) [Respawn comments post #558]
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I play CoD Blops 2 fine with my DualShock 4 on Steam, if I were to use my M/KB at my desk I'd obviously play better but most days I just like to kick it on my couch and play games on my TV
Sure, of course. but when I play football... I don't expect basketball or volleyball.. I guess!
I'm not sure how to take your statement. Why would anyone expect Respawn to put out a large player game?
Their secret sauce is in small player counts with tons of chaos.
You mean to tell me expectations were higher? That makes no sense at all.
I made my peace with this not being single-player (which I really feel, if it were a systems-driven experience, would be a pretty great step forward for shooters--the first since FEAR).
This is what I want to know. I'm assuming that EA's trying to keep it on the down-low 'cause they want as many pre-orders via Origin, and it'll pop up on Steam on launch day. Would seem kinda weird for Valve to sell a Source license and not ask for a Steam version.
I REALLY would prefer to buy this on Steam, given how unstable Origin is on a frequent basis. At this rate, it's either Steam or wait for a really good sale on Origin.
This is what I want to know. I'm assuming that EA's trying to keep it on the down-low 'cause they want as many pre-orders via Origin, and it'll pop up on Steam on launch day. Would seem kinda weird for Valve to sell a Source license and not ask for a Steam version.
I REALLY would prefer to buy this on Steam, given how unstable Origin is on a frequent basis. At this rate, it's either Steam or wait for a really good sale on Origin.
Yep. But some people were under the impression that Titanfall was a 'big experience' and so are a bit disappointed.
Infinite.. considering the power of the Cloud.
Bigger battles are more intense and varied.
I do not feel that having lots of AI instead of players is going to be as fun.
The challenge of MP games is the skill of the other players vs you (and a lot of the reason people MP instead of SP) and I think having so many AIs running around the place is just going to dilute the challenge.
Respect has to be earned and wow at that last line.
I'm still getting peer-pressured by some friends I play BF4 with. Seriously though, ease up. Not sure why this means so much to you. You aren't getting paid or securing more sales for this game.
weekend_warrior
Banned
Wasn't Titanfall supposed to have large sprawling maps? That doesn't really should like something were 6v6 is the ideal player count. Low player count works for games like Gears or TLoU where the action is slow and deliberate.
njean777
Member
I don't think that is completely relatable to an fps though. A 3rd person game is a whole different beast. I agree 6v6 is not a problem, just your example isn't the best. COD right now I believe is 6v6 on ghosts and I have no problem at all with that. I do not know why people think a huge amount of players instantly = fun.
Super Stardust
Member
The game will feel like large scale battles, there's 12 players, 12 player titans and tons of ai running around.
He is referring to the creeps, ancient spawns, Rosh, etc
I'm not competitive with a gamepad against M/KB users. Would love to play BF4 with my 360 controller in-bed, but it just ain't worth it to me, absolutely infuriating at times. Glad you get some enjoyment playing with a pad.
6 v 6 is too much. I was hoping for 4 vs 4.
Keep it intimate, cozy and organized. With 12 players on the screen, I won't know what's going on. It's going to be like Battlefield with 64 players where you just die randomly because there are 300 snipers covering every inch of the map.
I hope Respawn know what they're doing. Just because they made hit game after hit game doesn't mean...oh wait..nevermind.
Keep it intimate, cozy and organized. With 12 players on the screen, I won't know what's going on. It's going to be like Battlefield with 64 players where you just die randomly because there are 300 snipers covering every inch of the map.
Yes, I realize my math is wrong. Hyperbole baby!
I hope Respawn know what they're doing. Just because they made hit game after hit game doesn't mean...oh wait..nevermind.
Backfoggen
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Sure, of course. but when I play football... I don't expect basketball or volleyball.. I guess!
I'm not sure how to take your statement. Why would anyone expect Respawn to put out a large player game?
Their secret sauce is in small player counts with tons of chaos.
You mean to tell me expectations were higher? That makes no sense at all.
Maybe it wasn't the best example but I'm with you all the way on what you're saying in your post. I think this thread just has to be filled with a bunch of people that don't play competitive games just trying to drive by troll with their stupidity. At least I hope thats what it is.
When Valve licensed the engine, EA hadn't yet split off and forced the Origin client.
Who knows how this effected Respawn's contract since that hadn't happened yet either.
BF4 is infuriating to play no matter your control style.
Darren_z33
Member
As long as it has a hardcore mode I'll be happy.
People didn't realise that some of the 'players' running around in trailers were AI. I can understand why someone might be misled by that.
From Edge:
That's the definition I understand, which describes them essentially as creeps which wander to a set point and battle the opposing AI. Useful for guiding new players and creating a flow to the game while being fodder to experienced players.
I actually agree that the game probably won't become 'competitive' but I believe that the more likely reason will be the probable frequent installments in the franchise, rather than AI.
No need to be a cunt.
There are lots of competitive FPS games with player counts much higher than 12 - Battlefield, TF2 and CS immediately spring to mind. No need for the stupidity comments.
Khalifa Jayy
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I literally have to stop playing every few rounds because my heart just can't take it some times.
Lmfao tell me this isn't real.
Lmfao tell me this isn't real.
Are they better answered, or are they just answered differently?
When your team goes up against an unknown team, the outcome will always be in doubt, and unique things can happen. There are a lot of things that can determine the potential variance. Each match in Dota 2, for example, usually feels unique despite being 5 v 5, because there are a lot of different heroes and abilities that can come up in a match.
6 v 6 means you lose a certain sense of large-scale cooperation that a Battlefield or Planetside might provide, but I think the idea is that the AI and mechs create enough chaos that lots of unique moments can still happen in any given match.
If it's not for you, though, it's not for you.
Who do you think controls those creeps that walk down all the lanes every 30 seconds?
He's not talking about botmatches. The AI creeps or jungle units in Dota and LoL are like Titanfall's bots in that they supplement the match, but aren't intended to be substitutes for actual players.
Glass Brain
Member
I think 6v6 is a great number considering all we know about the game.
There is absolutely no comparison.. none of the creeps are "smart" they are on a pre-defined line in each lane. The AI partners in Titanfall would do more to effect the game. Creeps in dota just run in a pre-defined path into towers over and over again
ShawaTheGreat
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Definitely. Keeping things on topic though...XBL ecosystem is perfect for 6v6. My friends and I have been clicking up on fps multiplayer since forever on XBL. Myself and five friends is plenty enough for such an application. Hell, all I need is two other friends and I can kill eight hours before I know it in a multiplayer shooter. This criticism is silly to me, but I see it for what it is. :-/
Why not offer modes with more players, and let the community decide?
Like Battlefield offers conquest and smaller modes.
Halo gives you Big Team Battle and smaller modes.
Wolf ET was cool, because you could find a server that had 6 vs. 6, or 32 vs. 32, and they were different experiences.
Where's the variety, Titanfall? The value.... You've already cut out any SP mode...
Like Battlefield offers conquest and smaller modes.
Halo gives you Big Team Battle and smaller modes.
Wolf ET was cool, because you could find a server that had 6 vs. 6, or 32 vs. 32, and they were different experiences.
Where's the variety, Titanfall? The value.... You've already cut out any SP mode...
SmoothRunningGun
Member
I thought they said this back at e3. Anyway if they don't want speculative threads put out a demo or a beta.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
There's at least 3 confirmed game modes that we know of.
- Campaign Multiplayer
- Traditional multiplayer with pilots and mechs
- Traditional multiplayer with pilots only
I assume in the next 3-6 weeks we will see more on game modes. Capture and hold (hardpoint/domination), TDM, CTF, and FFA are all pretty standard and I'd expect them to be in. A counter-strike bomb-plant mode would be cool or VIP/king of the hill derivative. I dunno. Maybe there will be a rock 'em sock 'em mode.
GillianSeed79
Member
Well I guess the thing is that it's six v. six but then the Titans add it into it when you are out of the Titans, so then it's 12 v. 12. The I guess there are cannon fodder bots? So it's not just pure 6 v. 6.
Sword Of Doom
Member
Yeah the AI is what I'm curious to know more about. The player count is low but this game should not be compared to any other shooter since it's doing it's own thing and shouldn't be judged based on nothing. But the AI in a MP match just sounds weird. Hope they shed some more light on this
Sure. I'm just assuming that EA's just like "hey, keep quiet on the Steam thing."
As far as I can tell, they've never outright addressed the Steam questions. They get asked, but they pretend they're not there.
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thepotatoman
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I remember the internet rage about the 12v12 max for TF2 announcement, and I too was up in arms about it, but I ended up being wrong and refuse to play the servers modded to play 16v16 because the maps are just too small for it.
So I don't want to judge the game too quickly. But one thing I do know is I absolutely refuse to play multiplayer modes with bots. So if the game ends up feeling designed with bots in mind as the primary way to play, I don't think I could even give it a chance.
So I don't want to judge the game too quickly. But one thing I do know is I absolutely refuse to play multiplayer modes with bots. So if the game ends up feeling designed with bots in mind as the primary way to play, I don't think I could even give it a chance.
this post is just super-cringe
I don't even want to tell you that he was referring, obviously, to the creeps
BananasWithGuns
Member
May sound crazy but depending on the game it isn't all that uncommon.
I've had dozens of times playing Gears of War where my adrenaline was pumping like crazy and I literally had to put down the controller for a few minutes to compose myself because my heart was beating out of my chest. It's one of the things I love most about that game. If Titanfall can even somewhat replicate it then I'll be extremely happy.
Hmm. Map size will determine how well this will work out. Player counts like this lead me to believe it's going to be another shooter in a shoebox, which I'm not really down with. If it were an ultra tactical game, then perhaps, but I don't believe this is that type of game. Was being cautious due to EA's name being on the box, but now I'm becoming more leery. Will wait and see.
Hip Hop
Member
A 5-8 hour campaign adds value to a game?
The multiplayer component will most likely trump that a handful of times over.
They cut nothing out, infact, they added more value by not having a distraction making a SP mode.
I'll gladly support this and I hope more and more games choose this route of an online only. SP games also need a change for me, something along the lines of a Destiny. SP games revolving around an online ecosystem. Hope more companies stick to this.
You saw more than 12 at a time? I didn't see it. I hope the outrage is shortlived.
There aren't many popular small scale series and I hate shitted up threads full of outrage instead of discussion. I honestly might have to take a leave of gaming forums with the way things have been going to enjoy this.
When the servers are all down on launch day? You bet your ass, it does.
TheRealTalker
Banned
If it has tight gameplay as well as a good map design then I don't see any problem
You could have a high player count but the gameplay mechanics could be sloppy and the map design choices dreadful for you to even care about or enjoy the game but then again you could have the opposite as well which usually bodes well for team strategic based games... Seeing as this game is more adrenaline based, 6 vs 6 with great action, modes, and level design (speculative assumption based on people's impressions and is not final fact) could make the number count understandable... Of course time will tell in the end if they do pull it off
You could have a high player count but the gameplay mechanics could be sloppy and the map design choices dreadful for you to even care about or enjoy the game but then again you could have the opposite as well which usually bodes well for team strategic based games... Seeing as this game is more adrenaline based, 6 vs 6 with great action, modes, and level design (speculative assumption based on people's impressions and is not final fact) could make the number count understandable... Of course time will tell in the end if they do pull it off
GuitarAtomik
Member
It's not a perfect comparison but it's more accurate. The AI players aren't nearly as capable as human players. They are weaker, can't double jump/wall-run, can't call in Titans. Though they're obviously more complicated, conceptually and within the game's design, they are more similar to creeps in DOTA than they are bots in DOTA.
ShawaTheGreat
Banned
What has Respawn done to earn the disrespect? I'm scratching my head at your wow...I can't tell if you're serious or not.
you're downplaying the importance and mechanics of creeps to save face here
yes, they just trudge down lanes, but controlling creeps is a vital part of the game since they're basically packets of gold and XP. their aggro mechanics are also absolutely vital to early laning or playing mid. a fat creep-wave pushing in your lane (without a hero!) warrants a TP-scroll response.
i think having 'creeps' in a shooter is fascinating if it allows for interactions like it does in Dota.
I only play Scout in TF2 and 16v16 maps totally destroy the viability of the class and the general flow of the game as a whole.
DK gave me an answer in one of the Titanfall threads on GAF but he was really evasive about it.
He alluded to contracts being different, but that is all he said on the matter.
To be honest, if a Steam version wasn't happening, they would have outright said it.