I can see how a person can like Super Mario Bros. 3 and Yoshis Island better but New Super Mario Bros. U too? Wow. That game lacks personality in my opinion. Feels like a parody of every 2D Super Mario Bros. game to me (which includes Super Mario World aka Super Mario Bros. 4).
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After replaying Mario World, I realized it's not all that. 3, YI and NSMBU are better
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Chairman Yang
if he talks about books, you better damn well listen
Totally agree with you, OP, and you've given some great supporting points to your argument that no one's really addressed properly.
I suspect this is going to be one of those opinions that lots of people dismiss reflexively then gradually come around on over the years.
I suspect this is going to be one of those opinions that lots of people dismiss reflexively then gradually come around on over the years.
Yoshimitsu126
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NSMB U was fun except for that one stupid ghost house that I shouldnt have played too late and the damn tiring art aesthetic.
But yeah Mario 3 does have a lot of memorable levels. But I do think Mario World enemies are quite memorable and unique. Sport Chuck, sumo fire, small ninja in the castle, sleepy and then annoyed fish, Hammer Bro dude who looked like Santa Claus, the dumb koopa who kicked his shell at you, Caped Koopas, Banzai Bills, Rhinos, lava hippos, Swoopers, etc.
But yeah Mario 3 does have a lot of memorable levels. But I do think Mario World enemies are quite memorable and unique. Sport Chuck, sumo fire, small ninja in the castle, sleepy and then annoyed fish, Hammer Bro dude who looked like Santa Claus, the dumb koopa who kicked his shell at you, Caped Koopas, Banzai Bills, Rhinos, lava hippos, Swoopers, etc.
Naked Snake
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I didn't have a SNES so played SMW on GBA, I enjoyed it a lot but it's probably my least favorite Mario out of all the ones I played (including NSMB DS which most people like to shit on).
Earthpainting
Member
I completely agree. World is fine, but it did not feel like a leap above SMB3, and it felt like some steps backwards in some other ways. I'm not sure if I've ever beaten World. I usually get bored and when I pick it back up again years later, I start over.
TheMagician
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And different music.
randomscribbles
Neo Member
SMB3 definitely has higher highs, but it also has lower lows. The auto scrollers aged horribly. SMW is where the formula got perfected, which meant consistently good levels with less radical experimentation.
Revolutionary
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If you're playing them all now for the first time you might have a different take on it, but back then World just blew our minds.
friskykillface
Banned
Bowser comes flying at the screen and you go SHIT
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Narpas Sword0
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None of those games have an option that lets you skip 90% of the level
You either have to stop using the run button or constantly fight against the game trying to get you to skip the level in SMW
If you want a power up you also 50/50 have to use the cape since they got rid of all the cool ones. And the fireball is worse at killing enemies too.
I don't think tapping left on the d pad to fly forever adds depth.
Heavy's Sandvich
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People dismissing NSMBU can you post your stats screen pliz guys
synchronicity
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I understand opinions can vary wildly from person to person, but it is incomprehensible to me - assuming you enjoy the genre in the first place - that this is an opinion that actually exists within a real human somewhere in the real world.
Altered Juice
Member
Yep, the game has some forgettable and weak level designs.
Prevolition
Member
Going back and playing it, it's still reigning champion for me. No other Mario controls as well, has the same charm, it has the best overworld and music, and is the most satisfying to complete.
family_guy
Member
Give it to Mario World for the music but Yoshi's Island for the rest.
Theslammer
Member
Yeah, I thought the same thing. =P Feels weird to criticize a game for not having the same enemies as a previous game and doing something different.
The thing with Mario 3 is, for its time, it encounters a big problem: it gives you a large amount of content with no way to save. If you want to go through all the content and not skip anything, you have to give up a whole evening at least. World's save system makes it better designed just based on that, and it's not going into what else I like better about it. I used to be a big fan of 3, and I still am, but it's no longer my favorite.
P.S: Love your username.
Heartskips
Banned
People are literally beating Odyssey levels in 5 minutes with the Cappy mid-jump, Mario 64 gives you so many options it's possible to skip whole levels just with long jump and wall jumps. But as I've said: no one skips entire levels with the cape, especially if you're playing the game for the first time or is searching for the secret exits (that were promoted a lot, so people know about them). This is a common arguement made by SMB3 fans that doesn't represent reality.
You're also ignoring that Mario World introduced Yoshi, better than most power ups in SMB3. In general I think Yoshi, items, colored blocks, cape, balloon > frog suit, boot and raccoon.
AuthenticM
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More points that I forgot:
-The world map is stale. As in, nothing happens on it. In SMB3, there would be hammer bros. that would block your way, card games that would appear, the super-secret floating money ship, the levels in world 8 where a hand would grab you to force you to play it. World has an interconnected map, and that's great, but it doesn't compensate.
-The potential of Yoshis with different abilities is squandered. They bother putting in Yoshis of different colors, but only the blue one is really that useful. Both the yellow and red yoshis serve nothing of value. Seriously, who here replayed those Star World levels to get a yellow or red yoshi? The devs could have given each different-colored yoshi some meaningful ability, and design some levels around these abilities, but no. Let's go further: how about levels in which different paths open up depending on the color/ability of your Yoshi? Why couldn't we have that?
-The game is piss-easy. I played through the game last night by not doing the palace switches until I was done with the rest of the game. It was the first time I played the game like that. Even then, the game was too easy. I barely got any challenge. SMB3, YI and NSMBU, on the other hand, offer plenty of challenge. Better-designed levels, for sure.
-The world map is stale. As in, nothing happens on it. In SMB3, there would be hammer bros. that would block your way, card games that would appear, the super-secret floating money ship, the levels in world 8 where a hand would grab you to force you to play it. World has an interconnected map, and that's great, but it doesn't compensate.
-The potential of Yoshis with different abilities is squandered. They bother putting in Yoshis of different colors, but only the blue one is really that useful. Both the yellow and red yoshis serve nothing of value. Seriously, who here replayed those Star World levels to get a yellow or red yoshi? The devs could have given each different-colored yoshi some meaningful ability, and design some levels around these abilities, but no. Let's go further: how about levels in which different paths open up depending on the color/ability of your Yoshi? Why couldn't we have that?
-The game is piss-easy. I played through the game last night by not doing the palace switches until I was done with the rest of the game. It was the first time I played the game like that. Even then, the game was too easy. I barely got any challenge. SMB3, YI and NSMBU, on the other hand, offer plenty of challenge. Better-designed levels, for sure.
Yeah World seems to have had a weird development cycle. I distinctly remember Miyamoto calling World unfinished. Considering how odd the game feels next to SMB3 and them having to make it in time for launch it wouldn't surprise me. I remember reading some article a long time ago on the development on the game and apparently it was supposed to be a much more similar game to SMB3 than what we got with the final product. But some people at Nintendo complained about the game being too similar to its predecessor which resulted in them having to scrap allot of the work they had done up until that point.
NeonZ
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Mario 3 already had secret exits though, there just were less of them since they were tied to the flutes. Although it didn't have secret worlds, it did have moving map enemies and even secret bonus stages that were dumped by World.
RurouniZel
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Funny, I feel the opposite. Playing SMW again on the SNES Classic reminds me why I love it more than the NES Marios I replayed last year. The controls are more precise and the levels are less gimmicky overall than 3s levels. Additionally SMWs emphasis on multiple level exits makes me want to explore each nook and cranny more.
Discokuningas
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Yep. All those games are better. 3 is the best.
Mr. Nice_Guy
Member
Thanks for putting this into words. I don't hate World, but I've never liked it and have always felt like I was missing something integral. It was also my first Mario I owned too so I always felt like it was weird that I never liked it
The world map is the part I like most over SMB3. It makes the whole game feel grander than the boardgame style maps most other Mario games used. The only platformer that does it better is DKC3.
Super Moop
Banned
I don't like 3 but I love World and I don't know why.
A Serious Man
Member
Any thread giving respect to Yoshi's Island gets my approval.
Hmm, nope. Super Mario Bros. was my first and Super Mario World is the best that I've played, and the last Mario I've played quite honestly.
Maintenance
Member
It exists and it's real. DKCTF is the best platformer since SMB3, NSMBU is garbage compared to them.
Yeah, NSMBU/NSLU were my favorite Mario side-scrollers since 3 and SMW, and in certain ways, I liked the Wii U games more. The art gets a knock, but I think they did a really nice job, especially on the backgrounds. Love how the clouds move, and there is so much parallax going on. I don't love YI as much as some do. The art and music are wonderful, but I found getting all the red coins to be just too frustrating. That game was at its best for me when I wasn't in collectathon mode, and it's the least 'Mario' game since SMB2 (US) to me.
3 is from an era where you're supposed to beat the game in one sitting and no ability to save. The levels have to be short or you'd never beat it.
DarknessTear
Banned
SMW is fucking legendary. It definitely wasn't my first game in the series either. My first was the original Mario Bros. Been gaming since I was like 3 years old on the NES. No "first kiss syndrome" here. It's a well designed game and crazy good for a pack-in too.
Lupin the Third
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With that black shell, are you sure they're not Buzzy Beetles?
Not with that "everything is airbrushed" homogeneous art style, it isn't.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
OP sums up my opinion of World pretty well. Too easy, the levels that are actually hard are kind of bullshit (does ANYONE like Tubular?)
I actually think the blue Yoshi is probably too good, considering how easy the game is in the first place. Having all the colored Yoshi's just be gimmicks like the red and yellow one would have made more sense.
The cape is the worst designed Mario powerup ever. People keep clamoring for it to come back but it's gamebreaking.
IMO Tier 1 of 2D Mario is 3, NSMBU, and NSLU. Tier 2 is World and NSMBW. Shamefully, I have not played YI.
I actually think the blue Yoshi is probably too good, considering how easy the game is in the first place. Having all the colored Yoshi's just be gimmicks like the red and yellow one would have made more sense.
The cape is the worst designed Mario powerup ever. People keep clamoring for it to come back but it's gamebreaking.
IMO Tier 1 of 2D Mario is 3, NSMBU, and NSLU. Tier 2 is World and NSMBW. Shamefully, I have not played YI.
I agree as far as level design goes and it is a fairly easy game.
But no other Mario feels as good to play. The movement, the cape...just feels so good. Was never a fan of the heavy momentum based jumping in other Marios.
YI feels good as well due to the lack of momentum based jumping, but Yoshi feels sluggish in comparison.
But no other Mario feels as good to play. The movement, the cape...just feels so good. Was never a fan of the heavy momentum based jumping in other Marios.
YI feels good as well due to the lack of momentum based jumping, but Yoshi feels sluggish in comparison.
Mr. Wonderful
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I'll give you it's a debate between 3, World, and YI, but I'm sorry, I can't agree that NSMBU is on the same level.
In general, I really dislike the "Added challenge by collecting three Angry Birds collectables!" mechanic. All the NES and SNES games had plenty of challenge without resorting to something like this, and in my opinion, were better games for it.
In general, I really dislike the "Added challenge by collecting three Angry Birds collectables!" mechanic. All the NES and SNES games had plenty of challenge without resorting to something like this, and in my opinion, were better games for it.