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Star Fox 2: SNES Classic Direct Feed Footage
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SparksterMeta0
Member
I need to know why those two characters were never introduced in the other Star Fox games.
jediyoshi
Member
It's so strange you'd conflate the idea of how old it is from development with the age of a game in the context of how people usually use it in the context of spoilers.
The game was never released.
Diablohead
Member
Coming from an arcade style shooter that starfox 1 was, 2 is quite a different game and it's always confused me a bit.
I'm glad that starfox 64 was more like the original then trying to be starfox 2.
I'm glad that starfox 64 was more like the original then trying to be starfox 2.
Spring-Loaded
Member
Too cool
AtomicShroom
Member
He selected to play on Hard. Maybe it's only there on Easy now?
Possibly, or is a unique feature of Miyu, the character he selected?
mango drank
Member
Doesn't look too different from what I'm seeing in the video. The beta was kinda bland and unfocused. A bunch of really short so-so game modes strung together.
I forget why it was cancelled back then. I think the official line is that the N64 + StarFox 64 was on its way, but I wouldn't be surprised it they cancelled it because it just wasn't very good.
Also, it's crazy to think I was playing this game unofficially 16 YEARS AGO, and it's only now being released. I am old.
chill out man it's a weird situation is all
sixteen-bit
Member
SF2 is the reason I'm interested in SNES classic. Looking forward to finally playing the finished build.
nkarafo
Member
Since it wasn't released 21 years ago but in 2017 instead, it's pretty much a new game.
The "official" reasoning is that carts with the SuperFX 2 chip cost a lot to produce and Nintendo thought that the N64 would cannibalize SF2's sales since it had much better 3D. I wouldn't be surprised if negative focus tests were a factor. I always thought SF2 was pretty mediocre compared to 1 and 64.
(Also I know this isn't a popular opinion but I think Starfox Command handled SF2's mechanics better than SF2 did)
LuigiBlood
Member
Here's the main difference from the leaked ROM: It's in english. Using the same font as the CES demo in 1995 (or 1996? I forgot)
More differences? Title Screen, slightly more polished, Nintendo logo has an "(R)" at the start, Corneria damage % is more random than the near final version.
EDIT: Also Expert mode is locked.
More differences? Title Screen, slightly more polished, Nintendo logo has an "(R)" at the start, Corneria damage % is more random than the near final version.
EDIT: Also Expert mode is locked.
Stairouais
Member
I love the look of that game so much.
The portraits, the colors, the low poly, the font they use.
Too bad they didn't bump up the framerate a bit, but hey...
The portraits, the colors, the low poly, the font they use.
Too bad they didn't bump up the framerate a bit, but hey...
Miyu can lock-on most space enemies (or at least she could in the prototype), but not the specific type of enemies he was fighting during that section.
Why would you do that?
Member
Wow, so no Star Fox 64 style lock-on... It looks harder without it, but then again, the guy playing it in the video spent a lot of time shooting with the crosshair NEXT to his target instead of ON the target, lol. Really cool, though! This is actually the game I'm most excited for right now.
It's not weird because it's old, but it's weird because we know about the game already due to the leaked build. The spoiler is probably a General Pepper coin, or maybe it's a miniboss.
It's not weird because it's old, but it's weird because we know about the game already due to the leaked build. The spoiler is probably a General Pepper coin, or maybe it's a miniboss.
The Hermit
Member
I hope they use the same Wolf Theme from the leaked beta. It's fantastic
Game Informer has footage up as well, courtesy of GAF's own ShockingAlberto:
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/featu...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/featu...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
I'm not fully sure, but I don't remember the debris dodging segment (starting at 3:20 of that video) being in the prototype.
SoundPulse
Banned
Removing the lock-on seems quite silly and for the worse, but sure, I guess.
Yep. Neither game ran particularly well, but you were getting polygons out of your SNES so you didn't particularly care. The original game did manage to pull out some genuine sense of speed on the Meteor level, but that was more due clumping stuff together a bit more than other levels.
Yep. Neither game ran particularly well, but you were getting polygons out of your SNES so you didn't particularly care. The original game did manage to pull out some genuine sense of speed on the Meteor level, but that was more due clumping stuff together a bit more than other levels.
The NES Classic was running a version of Linux and was cracked pretty quickly. I'm guessing the SNES Classic has similar architecture and will be cracked almost immediately, which means the ROM will be online.
PaulBizkit
Member
So, now that this games has finally "released" and it's the complete version. What does it have that the original leaked rom didn't?
ResidentDante
Member
You would need to put it on a cartridge with an FX2 chip to make it run though.
KainXVIII
Member
Especially with that framerate.
maniac-kun
Member
Looks good from the footage.
Is there more footage of the SNES classic mini? How does it handle AlttP? The Wii U VC had sound issues in the PAL version.
Is there more footage of the SNES classic mini? How does it handle AlttP? The Wii U VC had sound issues in the PAL version.
Why would you do that?
Member
Each playthrough of the game is randomly generated, and I do remember seeing those and other debris segments in the leak.
I don't remember the asteroids in the Star Wolf fight, though...
Yea... it's not an impossible task. Just a difficult one.
LuigiBlood
Member
So... with the current analysis, let me tell you something I'm 100% sure about:
Star Fox 2 Final is much harder than the leaked ROM.
No more lock-on (!), AI has improved, Corneria damage seems to be higher (possibly more random), Miyu and Fay don't have a double blaster anymore, and collisions are working actually better.
Basically, there are gameplay differences (more significant than you would think), definitely more polish, and the finetuning that Dylan Cuthbert was talking about is indeed there.
...just the fact there's no more lock on and improved AI means that I will take much more time to actually beat the game. As far as I'm concerned, I expect the gaming experience to be widely different from what I've played in the long run.
This has convinced me that they're not joking around, I expect Star Fox 2 to be as hard as Star Fox 1.
Star Fox 2 Final is much harder than the leaked ROM.
No more lock-on (!), AI has improved, Corneria damage seems to be higher (possibly more random), Miyu and Fay don't have a double blaster anymore, and collisions are working actually better.
Basically, there are gameplay differences (more significant than you would think), definitely more polish, and the finetuning that Dylan Cuthbert was talking about is indeed there.
...just the fact there's no more lock on and improved AI means that I will take much more time to actually beat the game. As far as I'm concerned, I expect the gaming experience to be widely different from what I've played in the long run.
This has convinced me that they're not joking around, I expect Star Fox 2 to be as hard as Star Fox 1.
Starwolf_UK
Member
I saw footage from easy difficulty (US Gamer I believe) and that also appeared to lack lock on. I'm sure the sights of a charge shot passed an enemy without locking on.
Gunstar Ikari
Unconfirmed Member
Game will be crazy without lock-on...and probably not in a good way.
Wonder what the General Pepper coins will do, if they're still in the game.
Wonder what the General Pepper coins will do, if they're still in the game.
CloudStrife_ca
Member
Checked out some video yesterday, the game looks great. It makes me wonder why Nintendo held onto this for so long without atleast releasing it on the Virtual Console.
It seems they had some pretty good ideas behind the game too, being able to travel to any planet freely within the star system, keeping watch over if planet Corneria as the game is over if it takes too much damage, open dog fights, new characters.
It seems they had some pretty good ideas behind the game too, being able to travel to any planet freely within the star system, keeping watch over if planet Corneria as the game is over if it takes too much damage, open dog fights, new characters.
Yeah, wonder what the General Pepper medals do considering that even Dylan Cuthbert seemingly doesn't know.
Gunstar Ikari
Unconfirmed Member
Legal issues with Super FX, same reason why Star Fox 1 hasn't seen a re-release until now.
I believe there are some methods of running a rom on real hardware with an adaptor to use the chip from another compatible cartridge (as in having two cartridges attached to the console at once), rather than needing to put the rom itself on a cartridge with an FX2, which would not be as much of a hurdle.
digita1alchemy
Member
Is there no direct-feed footage without annoying people talking over it?
LuigiBlood
Member
Considering the ex-CEO of Argonaut was interviewed not too long ago, he said Nintendo had the patent and there was never a rights issue the whole time. So I think it's just Nintendo being too lazy to emulate SuperFX at this point.
Jason Frost
Member
I would like to know that too.
Judging from how fast the NES Classic was busted open you won't have to wait long.
Most of this game has been known due to the rom leak. I still think it's pretty silly, despite being an official release of an old ass game.
stan423321
Member
Weeeeeeeeell, I believe this can't be done without some messing with cartridge that has a compatible FX chip (like making your custom FX Lock-On cart). The chip's CPU can read data from ROM, which suggests it would see the chip cartridge's ROM and not whatever you would plug on the other side of the adapter.