finalflame
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same tbh, but this is a good start.
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Overwatch |OT9| There is no Cow Hero
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same tbh, but this is a good start.
They want to make the healers more specialized. It's a good thing.
Garrett Hawke
Member
any pics of new eichenwalde route?
i understand that it will make that map a little less defense favoured but i really liked that choke point, it felt amazing to break it.
i understand that it will make that map a little less defense favoured but i really liked that choke point, it felt amazing to break it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpl-ikKXvz4
Here's a video on PTR Lucio I found. AoE is so small. Think it's around 90% smaller now.
Here's a video on PTR Lucio I found. AoE is so small. Think it's around 90% smaller now.
veloxStrix
Banned
Almost feels like too many things are being changed at once (Lucio, Ana, Sombra, Orisa additions, etc). I suppose these changes will be staggered from the rest though so probably not.
D.Va bomb was pretty non-impact unless it was part of a combo anyways. But I suppose running along with your team is an option as well.
It's 1/3rd of what it use to be.
D.Va bomb was pretty non-impact unless it was part of a combo anyways. But I suppose running along with your team is an option as well.
It's 1/3rd of what it use to be.
In all seriousness his fighting and movement abilities look a lot better but the main reason he's at a 90% pickrate just doesn't exist with how he is on the PTR. The big deal was you could basically speedboost everybody on the map and then your Genji could be diving the enemy team while still getting hit by aura. None of that works with those changes, and that's a big enough deal to make him "unplayable".
New boop is hella dope though.
Less than that. 88% smaller. Circles, Radius, pi, etc.
New boop is hella dope though.
Less than that. 88% smaller. Circles, Radius, pi, etc.
Genji-Dragonblade-nerf-by-proxy? Praise baby winston.
finalflame
Gold Member
Lmfao that's still huge.
Also, yah, seems like it's roughly ~11% of what it used to be:
Previous area: 3.14 * 30^2 = ~2827m^2
New area: 3.14 * 10^2 = ~314m^2
314 / 2827 = 0.11 * 100% = 11%, 89% reduction.
Good nerf.
TWrecks310
Banned
Wait they nerfed Lucio now too?
My mains always get nerfed
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My mains always get nerfed
((umm wont this lucio change invite the tripple tank meta back in with open arms? Tanks close together will be much harder for a dive comp to kill. If you go with a dive comp, you will be out of reach from your lucio heal, and if you go with tanks close to gether, you will revice even more healing.
veloxStrix
Banned
The area is, yeah, but the circumference is really what matters in this context. Unless I'm missing something. It's a circle so they are going to be the same no matter what so it doesn't really matter.
Garrett Hawke
Member
I don't think triple tank will ever go away for good, it's still a solid baseline
If you're doing 3 stacked tanks and a stacked Lucio, Lucio's going to be pretty vulnerable to a Pharah because his face is going to be right behind Reinhardt's butt.
Agreed, Defense is always going to prefer beefier heroes.
finalflame
Gold Member
Not really, I think this actually matters in all 3 dimensions. Am I wrong in assuming this also affects the verticality of his AOE? As in, the area of influence is actually a cylinder?
It's a sphere, yeah. You're not going to be able to sit on top of a map and hit your entire team anymore.
veloxStrix
Banned
Then that would be volume anyways. Which means he received a 97.2% nerf (going from 113,000 to 4188.8 cubic units).
Anyways, that's all silly because what really matters is the distance from him which is only the radius so we are all doing unnecessary math.
Nuno Pinto
Member
Huge Lucio nerf wtf
KOTH just got much less interesting...
I blame vault for getting his golden gun.
KOTH just got much less interesting...
I blame vault for getting his golden gun.
Symmetra's Shield Generator is a winner here, it's no longer just a bad Lucio.
He's got a near-100% pickrate in pro/non-pro competitive games. Something had to change about his design, you couldn't fix this w/ numbers without dumpstering him.
finalflame
Gold Member
Sphere, not a cylinder? I really have no clue so just checking.
Yah, my previous calculation was just surface area of a flat circle.
Thewonandonly
Junior Member
Is it bad if I'm just playing somra not stop in comb? Not terrible and doing pretty good
finalflame
Gold Member
Is it bad if I'm just playing somra not stop in comb? Not terrible and doing pretty good
If you mean non-stop in competitive, then I see no issue as long as you're winning while contributing and not just getting carried.
Just be open to change if it's not working
finalflame
Gold Member
The changes to 2CP win conditions for comp is also fucking fantastic. It makes so much sense and is something I've thought about in the past. I love Blizzard making changes to actually make the game more competitive instead of throwing away a team's progress to make it more casual-friendly.
DPSspanky is going to be unhittable.
I think she's real dependent on both the map (how much utlity does pack-hacking get you?) and your enemys comp (she's a fantastic Rein counter)Is it bad if I'm just playing somra not stop in comb? Not terrible and doing pretty good
Sometimes she's amazing, sometimes you really should be on Soldier or Tracer instead.
I think this means a Boop is now going to adjust its curve depending on if you're above or below Lucio when you get hit?
He'd still be useful in non dive comps and for getting past certain chokes.
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
I had an asshole Hanzo during Mystery Heroes who spammed I need Healing and came in my scope/view blocking me from healing D.Va and Reinhardt who were off in the distance, Point B on Temple of Anubis
I got rolled Ana doing my best keep my tanks alive
Thank Fuck for Enemy Widowmaker to snipe the ever living shit out of his head just for our herp derp Mercy to revive him
Fuck >_<
Luckily 10 seconds later he got hooked and his death scream happened, felt vindicated, like Overwatch bids toying with me but felt like the souche needed to be put in place
Won the match saving my tanks, got to pull off 3 Nano-Boost in the process. 2 on D.Va and 1 on Rein
Just saw elimination assists galore on my screen
I got rolled Ana doing my best keep my tanks alive
Thank Fuck for Enemy Widowmaker to snipe the ever living shit out of his head just for our herp derp Mercy to revive him
Fuck >_<
Luckily 10 seconds later he got hooked and his death scream happened, felt vindicated, like Overwatch bids toying with me but felt like the souche needed to be put in place
Won the match saving my tanks, got to pull off 3 Nano-Boost in the process. 2 on D.Va and 1 on Rein
Just saw elimination assists galore on my screen
Thewonandonly
Junior Member
Ehhhh it's so early I guess I'm kind of being a piece of shit :O there is still a lot of time to climb tho so I want to get some real practiceIf you mean non-stop in competitive, then I see no issue as long as you're winning while contributing and not just getting carried.
Just be open to change if it's not working
I like this, it was way too easy to shut low level players down at the choke w/ a good Pharah.
Feels like they might have been talking w/ the HOTS team about how they implemented him when they made these adjustments.
They also seem to have taken after them (in a good way) regarding the speed of their PTR changes and willingness to rework heroes/maps.
I await the "gotta go fast" gifs.
I'm interested in seeing how this works out. They just made Lucio both very difficult to kill and both able to be much more aggressive. I could see him as an extremely good staller on maps like Anubis, wallriding back and forth with it being hard to kill him. I feel like any speedboost target has to be relatively stationary now though, since it'll be really easy to get out of range.
just fucking move lucio to attack already
BTW, is zen back out in the cold now?
haha cool i like it. Kinda reminds me of of quake bunny jumping, but without any skills required.
haha cool
i like it. Kinda reminds me of of quake bunny jumping, but without any skills required.BTW, is zen back out in the cold now?
haha cool
lucio wall riding is harder than most bunny hopping outside of grenade jumps
CybernatonEvolution
Member
Lucio buff? Less poke and choke? Hnnnnnng
Not at all. The Lucio change makes him a better pick in more situations and he's getting his weapon spread taken away on Tuesday so that he plays like McCree/Hanzo/etc when taking shots.
Karsticles
Member
Interesting Lucio changes - I feel like his gun might need a damage boost to offset this, though. The projectile speed increase is nice, but it's still a gun that mostly tickles.
Would it be OP if Symmetra's turrets could zap friendlies to heal them? It really bothers me that she's the only support that can't heal, and I don't understand why she isn't Defense.
Would it be OP if Symmetra's turrets could zap friendlies to heal them? It really bothers me that she's the only support that can't heal, and I don't understand why she isn't Defense.
I'm still gonna play him, just gotta stay closer, I think the wall ride buff and heal buff does wonders for his survivability.
Being able to set mini-shield generator turrets would be kinda neat, actually.
Garrett Hawke
Member
Titanfall 3 looks so good
Have you actually played quake?
You need perfect timing on jumping, directional keys, and 100% smooth mouse movement. Completely different league.
Really liking these Lucio changes. The buff to projectile speed is my favourite as you usually just spam it into the enemy team hoping to hit something, might do some targeted damage for once now. Also holy batman on that Lucio range nerf, I knew his range was large but 30m, thats a huge surface area! No wonder they reduced that. I think 10 might be a good spot, maybe 11-12m but not bigger since he provides al of utility in that surface area. I hope they keep the radius visualisation around in live for a while too.
yeah i have. why else would i have said it?
the geometry in ows maps are completely fucked and inconsistent