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SFV Thailand stage removed from store: Speculates BGM using "islamic prayer"
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Did anybody kill, maim, or blow up Nintendo employees/buildings for Ocarina of Time?
Whether Capcom would care is another issue though. It's a bit like when Blizzard was asked by Hindu groups to remove certain Symmetra skins that referenced Hindu gods and they just ignored it iirc.
Buddhism is a part of daily life in Japan, the devs are probably more personally familiar with what is and isn't okay with depicting the religion, I would imagine.
IdreamofHIME
Member
From Capcoms official statement:
Unintentional religious references? It's a temple! They gonna redesign the stage into a dojo?
..I bet try don't. Some specific religious reference will be removed though
From Capcoms official statement:
Unintentional religious references? It's a temple! They gonna redesign the stage into a dojo?
..I bet try don't. Some specific religious reference will be removed though
obviously the music was unintentional. I don't see why you're being obtuse about this
From Capcoms official statement:
Unintentional religious references? It's a temple! They gonna redesign the stage into a dojo?
..I bet try don't. Some specific religious reference will be removed though
I read it, what I said still stands. Using Islamic chants in a Buddhist stage could be "unintended" as their intentions would likely be to have something accurate, aka Buddhist. Anyway again I get what you're saying and presumably devs would be more likely to remove something Muslim rather than Buddhist but in this case they may have change it anyway because the contrast would be silly to anyone from either religion who noticed.
m_shortpants
Member
Wasn't there a mosque stage in SF3?
Garrett Hawke
Member
yes, unintentional religious references to a different religion than the stage is supposed to be based on.
Not in 3S, don't recall for NG or 2I tho.
AcademicSaucer
Member
From Capcoms official statement:
Unintentional religious references? It's a temple! They gonna redesign the stage into a dojo?
..I bet try don't. Some specific religious reference will be removed though
buddhists are chill about it so its ok, as it should really.
IdreamofHIME
Member
Only in certain regions, some places it's labeled as a mosque and others it's a Russian Orthodox church.
Capcom gotta Capcom.
100% agreed. But Capcom aren't acting that way
Of course it's unintentional religious references, they probably had no idea it was an Islamic chant. Once they found out they removed it.From Capcoms official statement:
Unintentional religious references? It's a temple! They gonna redesign the stage into a dojo?
..I bet try don't. Some specific religious reference will be removed though
Same happened with LittleBigPlanet. I actually own a recall launch copy that has the original music.
Gentleman Jack
Member
The russian stage? This one?
Some regions described this as a mosque? Doesn't the game just refer to it by either the character it's associated with (Necro) or the locale (Russia) given the 'world warrior' roots of the franchise?
rokkerkory
Member
Wasnt the og stage buddhist inspired? Why change it?
It still is, they messed up and added an Islamic chant to the music.
The buddhist part isn't being changed, at least.
tareqsalah1
Member
As a muslim im not offended and muslims shouldnt be offended. But in this particular situation the islamic versus or chants just dont fit the stage. Its a Buddhist temple, play Buddhist chants.
If the want to use islamic versus use islamic musical chants or old Andalusian instruments (dont use quran versus) not because its offensive to me, on the contrary i would like more people to give quraan a listen wether in games or by other means, but because quraan is not music so it is hard to make it fit a musical score or a game.
The problem is i think most of these mistakes are made because research is not being done, someone does some google search and slaps what they find on a game.
Islam has a deep rich musical history that spans centuries and i think people would enjoy it if they give it an honest try.
If the want to use islamic versus use islamic musical chants or old Andalusian instruments (dont use quran versus) not because its offensive to me, on the contrary i would like more people to give quraan a listen wether in games or by other means, but because quraan is not music so it is hard to make it fit a musical score or a game.
The problem is i think most of these mistakes are made because research is not being done, someone does some google search and slaps what they find on a game.
Islam has a deep rich musical history that spans centuries and i think people would enjoy it if they give it an honest try.
Its part of Islamic prayer or can become part of it. Hence it becomes offensive...
In Islam, God can't be equated to anything on or anyone. This becomes even more problematic with it being a stage about idols, which Islam strongly prohibits.
Here's a thing. When Muslims pray: It goes like this
1) Recite two known required surahs (chapters from the Holy Quran.
2) Recite a Surah (Chapter) of your choice from the Holy Quran.
This happens on what prayer the person is reciting.
Another thing is unlike the Bible that has been translated from its origin. The Holy Quran is only read in Arabic (not today's Arabic language, but ancient Arabic).
Hence the situation that we are in.
PS: I am not offended or anything like that. I am just trying to explain why some might find it offensive.
SomewhatGroovy
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There was a fighting game on the OG Xbox that did too. Can't temember the name.
I think its called Kubaki Warriors or something along those lines. :\
Or the Metal Gear Solid main theme but that one never sounded simular at all. I still hate that guy that ruined it lol, the mgs main theme was love.
Scrooge McDuck
Member
Unintentional religious references? It's a temple! They gonna redesign the stage into a dojo?
..I bet try don't. Some specific religious reference will be removed though
What the heck are you talking about. The temple is obviously intentional.
Like, do you know that Ezio can climb the interior and exterior of mosques in Assassin's Creed: Revelations? That's intentional.
And there's religious Islamic chants in the first area of Dreamfall. That's intentional.
Arabic chant in a Buddhist temple stage, though, that's unintentional.
Do you really can't comprehend the difference?
I'm reminded of that time when the anime Noragami featured a battle-remix of the Islamic Call to Prayer.
Maaaaaaan, I hadn't laughed that hard in ages; half my brain was rocking to the tune, the other half was stunned and eventually got very irritated (I'm a Muslim, lol).
Thankfully the producers heeded those online complaints, leading to the the Blu Rays/OST being delayed and updated. Capcom reacted similarly here, so it's good to see these companies take this stuff seriously.
With that said, Japanese media producers and execs really ought to do some basic research about this stuff; just because it sounds cool, doesn't mean it should be carelessly sampled.
Maaaaaaan, I hadn't laughed that hard in ages; half my brain was rocking to the tune, the other half was stunned and eventually got very irritated (I'm a Muslim, lol).
Thankfully the producers heeded those online complaints, leading to the the Blu Rays/OST being delayed and updated. Capcom reacted similarly here, so it's good to see these companies take this stuff seriously.
With that said, Japanese media producers and execs really ought to do some basic research about this stuff; just because it sounds cool, doesn't mean it should be carelessly sampled.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
its a generic sample of chanting, you shouldn't have to worry about some nut jobs trying to kill you because you used some sounds in an arcade game.
Obviously it's clearly incorrect - in a better world this would just have been amusing not offensive. But here we are
There are Muslims in GAF too you know.
~OooooOOoooooOOoo there are scaaaryyyy Muslims tooooo heeReeee~
The russian stage? This one?
Some regions described this as a mosque? Doesn't the game just refer to it by either the character it's associated with (Necro) or the locale (Russia) given the 'world warrior' roots of the franchise?
It's character and locale yes, I don't recall that ever being referred to as a mosque.
If that were the case then Tetris also has mosques.
So you were only taught to respect people out of fear not human decency? I'm so sorry.its a generic sample of chanting, you shouldn't have to worry about some nut jobs trying to kill you because you used some sounds in an arcade game.
Obviously it's clearly incorrect - in a better world this would just have been amusing not offensive. But here we are
There wasn't. But even if there was it's not the same thing. I don't think most Muslims would care about people fighting in front of a mosque.
So that sample is from a sample CD called Best Service Voice Spectral vol.1
It is way too fucking random that so many devs use this exact same sample. Did everyone get invited to a party in 1996 where everyone got a copy of that sample CD? And they've cherished it for 20 years? It's too weird.
It is way too fucking random that so many devs use this exact same sample. Did everyone get invited to a party in 1996 where everyone got a copy of that sample CD? And they've cherished it for 20 years? It's too weird.
I think all production companies must use the same 4 sample CDs. I hear the kids laughing sound from Diddy Kong Racing at least a couple times a week.
https://youtu.be/Ce_l_YX_MUg
https://youtu.be/Ce_l_YX_MUg
You don't get rid of samples, man. You just build your library until it's unmanageable.