CarbonatedFalcon
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And legendary number 5 ~~
Im sorry
That is a criminally low amount of playtime to be at legendary 5 already. -_-
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World of Warcraft |OT9| People still play this? Isn't it from 2004
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That is a criminally low amount of playtime to be at legendary 5 already. -_-
Some people just have all the RNG.
I'm at 21 days played at 110 and I still only have 2 legendaries... Every day I'm sure bad luck protection will get me that 3rd but every day I am disappointed.
Me and you both. Not a single legendary from emissary bags and I've done well over 100 of those. It just annoys me because Blizzard was yelling from the mountain top that emissaries would be the highest % for legendaries.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Purely anecdotal, but I've got three legendaries and done emissary every day and have never gotten one from emissary.
First - Heroic Cenarius
Second - Weekly M+ Chest
Third - LFR Xavius
First - Heroic Cenarius
Second - Weekly M+ Chest
Third - LFR Xavius
jaundicejuice
Member
Something's going down in Stormwind...
Yea I really need to start doing LFR. I've heard from lots of people about legendaries from there.
They must be very good at World of Warcraft.
Tanaan was objectively superior to Timeless Isle in every way except for aesthetic. Unless you like camping rares all day long.
hes pretty good but god damn man, i dont even have any spec specific legendaries yet.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
What? No. Not even. Tanaan is terrible in every way. Layout sucks. Theres nothing cool about it like with the Timeless Isle.
Timeless Isle had -
Celestial Tournament, which was hard as hell
Celestial world bosses
Ordos
Factionless PvP
Buffs from all over - from the crystals, fruits, shrines
2000 different toys, pets and item drops - not all from killing mobs, some from exploring in creative ways or gambling with a monkey
A faction with lots of items to sell
Added in a patch in an expansion with lots of content
Timeless Coins
if you know where to go, you can get to places easily because its well laid out
Tanaan has -
HFC
Kazaak
30+ rares scattered about
A faction that only exists so you kill Saberon and get a mount/pet
Four desirable world spawns that died in 20 seconds, 10 seconds after flying happened
Was a half-finished zone dropped in a patch when it was supposed to be there at launch
Apexis lol
A total clusterfuck of design where you had to take flight points if you didnt want to trudge through bad level geometry and tons of enemies to dismount you. Theres a giant zone just stuck in the middle of it that you either have to fly over or go way out of the way to get around
Legendary pet battles, which could be defeated with the same strategy on every single one
The one thing that Tanaan had over TI was the questline.
Dog Problems
Banned
Despite its flaws I enjoyed Tanaan, overall. I find myself missing going there every day to do various daily things. Flying made it even more enjoyable.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
neat.
Killer Queen
Banned
Thanks!
We've already kinda started playing so it might be a little late. She had a low level character from the trial from a few years ago and she pushed me to play as soon as it finished downloading.
That helps a bit, we're both playing warriors right now so I'm glad that we've seemingly gone on a decent track. Death Knights do seem pretty cool though so I'm interested in trying one of those later.
I got a pet from the authenticator app, how useful are pets and what do I need to know about them? The same for mounts, I know there are like flying and walking mounts but what should I know about mounts in general?
Thank you for this write up! it definitely helps a lot and while I'm still really early on, I'm really enjoying it a lot more than I thought I would, especially since I have someone close to play with.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Pets are a cosmetic thing. You can do pet battles, they give exp, but that's usually a side activity.
Mounts are different. You can get mounts at level 20, faster mounts at 40, and flying mounts at 60. You can buy basic mounts at your capital(Ask your city guards for instructions on whats where),Most mounts drop from bosses or through faction reputation
The pet tournament got super annoying after a while and your comment about using the same strategy very much applies there as well
Kazaak and Ordos and the Celestial World Bosses are functionally the same
The pvp was a gimmick that just resulted in grinding
The buffs were too good and basically required to do any of the solo content, Tanaan has buffs too but they are more flexible and not required, which is better
The Tanaan factions at least provided some options for grinding or long term questing whereas the Isle faction was nothing but endless tedious grinding
The rare spawns in Tanaan are once per day which is infinitely superior. There's still rares on the Isle I've never killed because you have to camp them.
Apexis crystals were useful far longer than coins were
Tanaan has chest spawns and things you can find randomly forever while Timeless Isle chests are purely one time per character
Yes, Tanaan had shitty terrain and aesthetic, but the gameplay design is basically a direct improvement to everything from Timeless Isle. "Make your own fun" rare grinding for a tiny drop chance for toy or pet number 50 wasn't good design. Tanaan was much closer to the world quest setup we have now.
Timeless Isle was *maybe* better for people who wanted to literally be on the island farming and grinding all day every day. But for any sort of reasonable playstyle Tanaan is an improvement.
Note, I'm just comparing Timeless Isle and Tanaan design in a bubble, obviously WoD had a myriad of issues and Tanaan suffered in that context.
And besides, we know that Legion content is just going to be a further extension of the world quest system.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
uhhh, no. You could howl bomb 75% of the tanaan rares.
Celestial Tourney required you to have a bunch of different pets because they couldn't be healed or revived, and the cycle was different by week.
Killer Queen
Banned
Thanks again!
You could howl bomb most of the Celestial stuff and cheese heal easily enough. I'm not saying they're comparable, of course not. But it didn't take long for the tourney to be a chore each week just to farm all four of the pets, and that's coming from someone who likes pet battling. Hopefully the pet dungeon coming will be cool.
But most people aren't going to consider a pet tournament significant content, it's really a separate thing. I don't consider the HFC raid to be "part" of Tanaan either, I'm just discussing the regular repeatable content and questing structure. And in that respect I stand by the statement that Tanaan was an almost universal improvement over Timeless Isle.
Professor Lich
Member
Fun fact for those of you out there with the Eye of Aman'thul.
If you die and don't revive, you still incur the cool down.
If you die and don't revive, you still incur the cool down.
Jesus the WoW gods did not decide to be kind to us this week, giving us a BRH as our +15 stone on the week where we actually needed to do a +15 instead of a 12 for max rewards. Now, I don't like BRH for most affix combos in general, but man that place on Tyrannical +15 is pretty rough. Not too bad until you get to Smashspite but that is when things get real, with his charge hitting most DPS for ~80% of their HP minimum, with a large scale AoE right afterwards. Luckily as a tank druid I could easily take a 2 stack of the debuff, so I just took 1 and 2, the hunter used Turtle for 3, we BoPed 4, and I took 5 and 6. Still was a rough kill.
But man, Dantalionax was something else. Motherfucker's first Shadowbolt Volley hit the group for 4.2 million damage each standard, so if you didn't have a personal CD (and a significant one at that) it would straight kill you. Our holy Paladin had to fully bubble it to live, Divine Protection wasn't enough. What a dumb mechanic, if you roll with a group without enough personal CDs you just can't live through that first one. I guess no one ever claimed higher mythics were actually balanced I guess. Still got it though after a couple attempts, but man that was harder than it needed to be.
But man, Dantalionax was something else. Motherfucker's first Shadowbolt Volley hit the group for 4.2 million damage each standard, so if you didn't have a personal CD (and a significant one at that) it would straight kill you. Our holy Paladin had to fully bubble it to live, Divine Protection wasn't enough. What a dumb mechanic, if you roll with a group without enough personal CDs you just can't live through that first one. I guess no one ever claimed higher mythics were actually balanced I guess. Still got it though after a couple attempts, but man that was harder than it needed to be.
You mean the orbs rather than the fog when the orbs detonate, right?
We didn't use a stacking tactic for the orbs, but we did have the ranged scattered in one specific region with the other region kept clear for people to move into after the detonations begin. Tanks are the situation I described with wanting to handle the annihilate while moving from the fog, and that section is really unpleasant, having a pre-established plan and CDs at the ready helps a lot there.
Are people entering that section of the fight already scattered reasonably well so the frost marks don't immediately detonate as soon as they're cast? That'd help.
My attitude to people with that one raider's attitude? "This is the real hardmode".
Amusingly, I recall having this exact sort of problem... when first doing Mythic BRH on levelling. The first bolt *is* brutal, since you don't have the buff yet at that point. No group-wide damage reduction cooldown available, though?
(Had my first brush with Necrotic recently, in BRH. That is very ouch. Need to think carefully about how to approach the bat gauntlet before going back in there!)
Napalm_Frank
Member
Bat stairs are pretty easy if everyone knows what to do. Kill the first demon downstairs, let tank pull the next demons downstairs, run up to top where the third demon is, pull left to the gate that opens up after the boss and stack there (just make sure nobody uses any large AOE that pulls the bats). Pull the last 2 demons to boss room.
You literally shouldn't aggro almost any bats if you interrupt Sic Bats with stuns or soft CC (paralyze ect).
And yeah, Everyone NEEDS to have a defensive cooldown for the first shadow bolt volley. If you don't have enough HP to survive it it's up to you to have a stamina flask on. I don't remember what class it was but one guy I was running tyrannical BRH popped defensive for it and still died.
Unfortunately our holy Pal was specced into the aura that heals the group, so he had no group wide DR to cast, and you can't change talents mid M+, without zoning out at least. But even if he did, it caps at 20% which is still not enough to survive that bolt on Tyrannical 15! I'm just glad all our DPS have at least some personal CD they can use to survive, it is just crazy to me that our Pally (a class that has a passive +25% HP) could't survive without a full immunity.
And yea, BRH necrotic is awful, for a lot of reasons. Very tight hallways with no room to kite with high stacks, spider hallway, bat hallway, generally large pulls with a lot of mobs, and Wrathguards that have a 40 yard melee range even when you can kite. BRH is my lowest tier stone on necrotic.
Yea this is the technically correct way to do the bat stairs, you can avoid pretty much every bat. I admire the discipline of any group that actually does this though, I've never done a BRH run where some person doesn't "accidentally" hit an AoE ability or something as we are running up the stairs. And I'm not sure a stam flask would help for the tyrannical +15 Shadowbolt Volley, since it was our pally who died and he has +25% HP baseline, far more than a stam flask would give. Not sure how, say, a balance druid could survive it without externals, it was hitting for 4.2 million, which is still 3.36 million after barkskin, which is around what a 890 balance would have even in bear form. Seems overly punishing for certain classes with worse personal CDs.
Napalm_Frank
Member
Yup. Stam flask tho is about the only external thing you can personally do to lessen the blow. At least with Smashpite you can use armor potion for charges. With SBV you just need to pray you got the tools to survive.
We managed to finish off our last 3 bosses on normal nighthold pretty easily...one pull for both Tichondrius and Elisande, and I think 3-4 for Gul'dan (tanks kept getting booted off the side). I was running a Breath of Sindragosa build and had some issues with it, especially Gul'dan as I missed both breaths towards the end of the fight. But it was mostly just inexperience.
Redeemed myself in heroic, we only had about half an hour left and we still got Skorpyron and Anomaly down. I did very well, I guess the BoS build is much more effective once you know what to expect out of a fight. For Skorpyron, it's funny watching the usual damage meter padders scramble to AOE the scorpions on that fight and end up doing half or less of my boss damage. Something seemed odd though...red scorpions were NOT exploding. I thought that was the whole point of them?
I do have a question about Tichondrius as well. From reading strategy guides I thought Carrion Plague was only supposed to hit a couple of players and that those players would go to a designated area to aim the seeker swarm follow-up. What ended up happening is our entire raid would get carrion plague, including the other melee, and I'd run over to the plague spot and stand there like a doofus while the melee just kept hitting the boss. Our healers just outhealed the damage. I'm assuming we just completely screwed up the fight and nobody actually knew how that mechanic worked, but we outgeared it so it didn't matter.
I've been saying for a while that Smashspite is really rough. I haven't fought him with Tyrannical in a while though, we avoid high level BRH if at all possible.
That said, Dantalionax is really funny because if you survive that first shadowbolt then you win. Once the encounter buff is active, I can solo him as a Blood DK.
Anyways, we had Maw as our 15 for the week and that wasn't too bad. We finished it under time after a few attempts. As I said in a previous post, only two things in Maw were really bad - Ymiron's Dark Slash hitting for 4-5 million, and destructor tentacles instakilling people before their model even loaded. Both were things we could work around.
Redeemed myself in heroic, we only had about half an hour left and we still got Skorpyron and Anomaly down. I did very well, I guess the BoS build is much more effective once you know what to expect out of a fight. For Skorpyron, it's funny watching the usual damage meter padders scramble to AOE the scorpions on that fight and end up doing half or less of my boss damage. Something seemed odd though...red scorpions were NOT exploding. I thought that was the whole point of them?
I do have a question about Tichondrius as well. From reading strategy guides I thought Carrion Plague was only supposed to hit a couple of players and that those players would go to a designated area to aim the seeker swarm follow-up. What ended up happening is our entire raid would get carrion plague, including the other melee, and I'd run over to the plague spot and stand there like a doofus while the melee just kept hitting the boss. Our healers just outhealed the damage. I'm assuming we just completely screwed up the fight and nobody actually knew how that mechanic worked, but we outgeared it so it didn't matter.
I've been saying for a while that Smashspite is really rough. I haven't fought him with Tyrannical in a while though, we avoid high level BRH if at all possible.
That said, Dantalionax is really funny because if you survive that first shadowbolt then you win. Once the encounter buff is active, I can solo him as a Blood DK.
Anyways, we had Maw as our 15 for the week and that wasn't too bad. We finished it under time after a few attempts. As I said in a previous post, only two things in Maw were really bad - Ymiron's Dark Slash hitting for 4-5 million, and destructor tentacles instakilling people before their model even loaded. Both were things we could work around.
SmartWaffles
Member
I didn't expect a weapon drop in time walking lmao.
Cleared through Normal Nighthold last night. We did Botanist, Elisande and Gul'dan.
Botanist - neat fight, didn't seem overly complicated or anything. We one shot this.
Elisande - this fight was kind of boring. We two shot this.
Gul'dan - loved this fight. Curious to see what it's like on heroic. This took us 5 attempts.
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We then went and did heroic with out last like half an hour. We had a couple wipes on Skorp, and two shot Anamoly.
Skorp - this seemed no different than on normal. Barely noticed the new add type. The padding was very real.
Anamoly - Again, didn't notice anything different here.
Botanist - neat fight, didn't seem overly complicated or anything. We one shot this.
Elisande - this fight was kind of boring. We two shot this.
Gul'dan - loved this fight. Curious to see what it's like on heroic. This took us 5 attempts.
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We then went and did heroic with out last like half an hour. We had a couple wipes on Skorp, and two shot Anamoly.
Skorp - this seemed no different than on normal. Barely noticed the new add type. The padding was very real.
Anamoly - Again, didn't notice anything different here.
Sounds about similar to how we did. Botanist was the most interesting fight IMO. Shit gets crazy.
I had a funny moment on Skorpy where I got hit by his knockback because of a momentary camera freakout caused by one of his crystals. I then dropped Sindragosa's Fury on the adds and killed them before anyone noticed. Like...y'all didn't see nothin'
CarbonatedFalcon
Member
At 8/10H so far, Botanist easily took us the most wipes to down. Something like 13 as we adjusted our strategy over different attempts. Though we had a few close pulls during that time.
One big issue was multi-dotters scumbagging the plasma spheres.
Another was melee not target switching to lashers (in a melee heavy comp).
We had to turn off logs for the night (until raid was over) because of these issues. People too worried about their parse in a progression kill.
I don't think Elisande will be that bad, though Gul'dan will probably take about as many if not more than Botanist.
One big issue was multi-dotters scumbagging the plasma spheres.
Another was melee not target switching to lashers (in a melee heavy comp).
We had to turn off logs for the night (until raid was over) because of these issues. People too worried about their parse in a progression kill.
I don't think Elisande will be that bad, though Gul'dan will probably take about as many if not more than Botanist.
we had the exact same issues on botanist and I expect it to continue until we die on heroic a bunch. Goddamn warlocks.
until you get it down elisande is probably harder than guldan at least she was in our splits until we killed her 1 time and then 1 shot her the other 3 times.
CarbonatedFalcon
Member
Well we still have tonight for the last two bosses, though I won't sweat it too much if we don't manage to down Gul'dan week 1.
One thing I'm more curious about with world race guilds is do they do Mythic progression until they hit a wall and then go and farm heroic for gear in the first week of Mythic? Or do they do heroic/splits and then progress. I'd imagine it's the former since you can get early kills on the board quicker. But for most other guilds it probably makes more sense to farm first.
Not sure if we'll be stepping into Mythic this week or when we will if we do. Given that without doing splits there's plenty of gear (mainly tier) to be had from heroic.
One thing I'm more curious about with world race guilds is do they do Mythic progression until they hit a wall and then go and farm heroic for gear in the first week of Mythic? Or do they do heroic/splits and then progress. I'd imagine it's the former since you can get early kills on the board quicker. But for most other guilds it probably makes more sense to farm first.
Not sure if we'll be stepping into Mythic this week or when we will if we do. Given that without doing splits there's plenty of gear (mainly tier) to be had from heroic.
I think it will, since they want to update all dungeons.
Kara is getting updated and going to open up for heroic as well and split into a bottom and upper Kara.
HarryDemeanor
Member
This and the Suramar dungeons being added to the queue are my favorites in this patch.
Man, I know the chances are basically 0, but I wish at some point they would go back and address some of the issues for smaller or new guilds regarding some of the guild items/achievements. Not much is still useful, but the one thing that is is the guild banner that gives 15% rep from kills when near it, super useful for older stuff and just in general. But in order to unlock it, you need 15,000 daily quests done as a guild. Was always annoying, but now WQs don't count as dailies, so there is basically no way for a new guild to ever unlock this perk. Just mildly annoying that on any new alt I make if I want this I have to find a spam guild to join, get the rep up a bit, buy the banner then leave and re-join my real guild.
Some other parts are annoying as well, such as heirloom pants for smaller guilds, but nothing too bad. Only being able to get the 10% banner and not the 15% isn't game breaking, but it would be nice if they would just make WQs count so I could get it eventually. I guess I should just buy a levelled guild at some point, anyone have any clue how much they are selling for these days?
Some other parts are annoying as well, such as heirloom pants for smaller guilds, but nothing too bad. Only being able to get the 10% banner and not the 15% isn't game breaking, but it would be nice if they would just make WQs count so I could get it eventually. I guess I should just buy a levelled guild at some point, anyone have any clue how much they are selling for these days?
some people have an old mindset and go for splits first, in legion this is the wrong call considering titanforging etc.
clearing until a predetermined point is what works best this expansion, i cant really disclose my guilds strat revolving around splits this tier but thats the gist, after we kill mythic guldan i can explain how we approached it and if it was the right call (our specific strategy), but it was well thought out.
jaundicejuice
Member
Well I can't complain about not having a Legendary anymore...
Got it off of a silver rare doing a WQ for the Warden Emissary cache. Totally random.
Also got my warrior to Legion content, got a tax rebate so I bought myself a boost. Looking forward to getting it to Suramar and seeing how much different/easier Withered Training is going to be as a tank.
Got it off of a silver rare doing a WQ for the Warden Emissary cache. Totally random.
Also got my warrior to Legion content, got a tax rebate so I bought myself a boost. Looking forward to getting it to Suramar and seeing how much different/easier Withered Training is going to be as a tank.
Well that's mildly annoying. I have a thing about trying to get my rep bars to be maxed (I like the uniform look of full bars, sue me!), and for some reason my Brawl Guild rep for season 2 on all my characters was reset to 4000/6000, on all my characters that it was maxed before. And there's no chance I didn't max it, I love brawl guild, I got all the shirts from all the challenge cards, did all optional bosses and did the main fights on multiple toons. This is just as annoying as when Nat Pagle's friendship showed as -8400 or whatever when you maxed it in WoD.