I actually think Gears and Uncharted are two of the games that come closest in this regard. It's all the other shooters that just don't get it.
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Resident Evil 6 DEMO VER. Thread: Capcom's final chance for redemption
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I actually think Gears and Uncharted are two of the games that come closest in this regard. It's all the other shooters that just don't get it.
Yeah, I think that works, but I'm usually not a fan of that because you have to focus too much on it.
On a positive side, I really like the fast running (when you actually push down the A button) and how certain jumping/climbing animation change depending on your speed.
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Deleted member 30609
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terrible camera is terrible
this is my biggest problem. you can see jack-shit.
Net_Wrecker
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Uncharted 2 comes closest but still not on that level. RE4 was a solid 17-20 hours for most first runs. Quality that high for that long in an action/horror title is insane. It's the equivalent of a 50 + hour RPG with little to no downtime and core mechanics that remain fresh the whole way. It can be reached again, but it seems that shooter devs are barely trying anymore.
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no, this isn't on "the fans". this shit-sundae they've cooked up is when design a game by committee rather than because you actually understand why it is you're making those decisions. Strip away the big budget visuals and this would feel utterly mediocre.
If you, as a developer, look at a bullet-point list and decide to just tick them all without any understanding of what the resultant product will be, that's just... depressing.
Like I said earlier in the thread, this demo feels like it was designed by an AI.
PrinceOfApathy
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Is the camera a resolution/fov problem? Or did they purposely choose this route to make everything seem tight and chaotic?
Definitely agreed. I was gonna come back and specifically mention Uncharted 2.
MiamiWesker
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There are other TPS with all this diving and melee mechanics. This demo didnt really play like any game I have played recently.
MiamiWesker
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You nailed what makes RE4 the greatest action game ever made. I think RE5 did well enough, still one of the best games this gen.
Not sure about RE6 of course but seeing how Jake's demo starts with a chase and goes into a big boss battle the variety in setpieces looks like it will be there.
I just went back and finished RE4HD which I had sitting there with a saved in chapter 5, man what a game. But my first reaction after playing so much RE6 was, omg how SLOW. RE6 is on speed. My second reaction, I CAN SEE! Perfect camera in RE4.
Bullrush everyone, dive around like a crazy person. Believe me it works.
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I can barely tell whether or not I'm taking damage. I don't know where to go unless I have the pointer on. The game doesn't give any useful information visually.
I didn't even notice any since the game is like on super baby mode. I had no idea what was going on.
Leon is slow enough that you can walk around unaffected, but what the fuck. The lighting engine reminds me of dragon's dogma. Nothing looks standout. Its hard to determine what the game wants to tell you. Coming from re4...and even re5...it's just so weird.
If only less enemies had guns. But even the flying things shot at me.
MiamiWesker
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When choosing quick game for online you go to a menu screen that has games to choose from. Here it says difficulty "Normal", this better not be normal. There is also a choice for why you are playing, here it is set for "Playing for fun". So I assume there will be an option for "speed run", "hard run" etc.. Nice of them to put that.
Some good players online now, I have made quick work of Ustanak with a few of them.
Some good players online now, I have made quick work of Ustanak with a few of them.
A lot of games these days are scared that the player is going to become bored of the core mechanics and mix things up with stuff like vehicle levels and turret sequences. (Which are usually awful)
One of the great things about RE4 is that it does mix things up, but those things still use the same core mechanics. For example the part where you ride in the mine carts. Awesome set piece that feels fresh but is still rooted in the core mechanics of the game.
I burned mine with Roxio to a DVD RW.
MiamiWesker
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Are you guys using Piers, use him forget Chris. He uses a sniper rifle and the segment where he protects Chris is the closest thing to RE4/5 in the demo.
ShockingAlberto
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There is a button, at least in Leon and Chris' campaigns, that zooms out while aiming.
I forget what it is offhand but I am pretty sure it was a face button.
I forget what it is offhand but I am pretty sure it was a face button.
Net_Wrecker
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Those turret and vehicle sequences are in there because the core mechanics of most shooters are terrible. I have 1 ultimate test to judge where the mechanics of shooters are ranked in my mind: Imagine that you're placed in a white square room with nothing but a 5 enemies, and a small selection of weapons. Would it still be fun, feel good, and look good? For most shooters, absolutely not. I can count MAYBE 5 shooters since 2005 that are on that list. RE4 is one of them. I can already tell RE6 is nowhere close to that from gameplay vids.
Naked Prime
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Pretty much this. Its trying to had to be something it shouldn't. I'll give it another spin tomorrow,but Chris's section was too WTF. I shut it off during Leons. Though I wonder whats the point of turnng off the location marker if the areas are so dark and pisspoor designed I have to hit the left bumper to tell me where to goe every 5 minutes? That shit was garbage in Ninja Gaiden and it's garbage here. And Capcom whom ever designed the HUD & pause menu needs a corner office ASAP.
What's funny is that after finishing the RE6 demo I went back and played Vanquish. Man that game is fast. That game is Gears of War on cocaine.
Syphon Filter
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Hmm this game seems like a clusterfuck.
Ok so I just tried the demo, here what I retain from all of this.
-They really need to fix up all that fucking screen tearing, seriously this is so present its offensive.
-People die like the vampires in Blade.
-I really prefer RE4-5's aiming, now the angle of view sucks and the character takes 40-45% of the screen when aiming, that white aim is bad too, laser aiming was better.
Still, the gameplay was fun, but I really need to clear my head from any previous oldschool REs or else its just frustrating.
-They really need to fix up all that fucking screen tearing, seriously this is so present its offensive.
-People die like the vampires in Blade.
-I really prefer RE4-5's aiming, now the angle of view sucks and the character takes 40-45% of the screen when aiming, that white aim is bad too, laser aiming was better.
Still, the gameplay was fun, but I really need to clear my head from any previous oldschool REs or else its just frustrating.
MiamiWesker
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You can switch it to laser aiming, that is the only way to go.
Yeah, this is exactly how I felt about Chris's scenario. I mean it's just a small part of Chris's story we played in the demo, but it didn't give me high hopes for his scenario.
Anyone know story wise why Leon's enemies are Zombies, but Jake/Chris's enemies seem to be the Jav'vo? (may have mispelled) If anything the Jav'vo seem to be what RE4/RE5 Las Plagas and Uroboros viruses/mutations were and more advance than a normal zombie virus in Leon's story.
gnarlyxcharlie
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Global bioterrorism, they must've just used different viruses/parasites across the world I guess.
johnFkennedy
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Anyone wanna share a download link?
Is asking for a download of a demo of a game a bannable offense?
Is asking for a download of a demo of a game a bannable offense?
AcceptableGhost
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Alright I burned the demo (and hooked up my 360 that has not been on in probably like half a year) and here are some impressions from someone who thinks Resident Evil 4 is one of the greatest games ever made and that the rest of the REs range from fine to great games.
Holy shit - what the fuck?
Leon:
Alright so I am walking in super narrow corridors for like 15 minutes... with no threat of enemies... really... nothing going on. Also some unskippable in-engine cutscenes popping up - the old fashioned replay killer in the flesh again.
Lots of screen tearing. This game also has the worst in-game menu ever created and you can't pause the game in single player (which iirc you could in RE5). Firing in this game is awkward due to the fact that the laser sight and the crosshairs are constantly out of sync, they need to make one of them standard in the retail release at the very least. The slide is neat.
Chris:
Man this game performs pretty bad, I hope this is a really old build. The combat in this game is really bog standard now and the scenario in the demo was kind of dull. I still stand by my fact that Shinji Mikami is probably the only person who has made third person shooters that works on a controller. This game is no RE4/Vanquish. Scenario ends with a pretty limp "hold your ground scenario".
Jake:
Starts by running at the screen, very awkward. Then a boss fight commences that seems like it would be fine for a first boss I guess (or like, a miniboss). Nothing to write home about.
Impressions are super negative, maybe I would have had a better time on a PC version, I don't know. This does not feel like a successor to RE4, or even RE5.
Edit: Also in general I don't think the game looks that hot (especially the animations), maybe it was because the last RE I played was RE5 on a PC?
Holy shit - what the fuck?
Leon:
Alright so I am walking in super narrow corridors for like 15 minutes... with no threat of enemies... really... nothing going on. Also some unskippable in-engine cutscenes popping up - the old fashioned replay killer in the flesh again.
Lots of screen tearing. This game also has the worst in-game menu ever created and you can't pause the game in single player (which iirc you could in RE5). Firing in this game is awkward due to the fact that the laser sight and the crosshairs are constantly out of sync, they need to make one of them standard in the retail release at the very least. The slide is neat.
Chris:
Man this game performs pretty bad, I hope this is a really old build. The combat in this game is really bog standard now and the scenario in the demo was kind of dull. I still stand by my fact that Shinji Mikami is probably the only person who has made third person shooters that works on a controller. This game is no RE4/Vanquish. Scenario ends with a pretty limp "hold your ground scenario".
Jake:
Starts by running at the screen, very awkward. Then a boss fight commences that seems like it would be fine for a first boss I guess (or like, a miniboss). Nothing to write home about.
Impressions are super negative, maybe I would have had a better time on a PC version, I don't know. This does not feel like a successor to RE4, or even RE5.
Edit: Also in general I don't think the game looks that hot (especially the animations), maybe it was because the last RE I played was RE5 on a PC?
WickedLaharl
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Performance wise I bet RE6 is going to end up like dragon's dogma and if that's the case I might end up waiting for the PC version.
StevePharma
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It makes me sad that this is a valid gameplay tactic in RE now....
Saw Shocking Alberto play through this yesterday on Twitch. I've played every mainline RE-game, but I think I will pass on this one for day 1. As stated earlier, take away the visual flair and you are left with a pretty mediocre game.
boredofcanada
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Demo doesn't sound too great.
Syphon Filter
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is another team doing this game? RE5 was always polished looking even early stages.
SolarPowered
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It's the mature thing to do. All we need now is bearded Leon.
johnFkennedy
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Okay...Jake is pretty damn awesome.
In hand to hand, hold LT + RT to charge a powerful running attack, you can also do this from cover. Probably known by a lot, but if you hold back and hit A while doing this he does a backflip or sidedodge without going in the ground position.
In hand to hand, hold LT + RT to charge a powerful running attack, you can also do this from cover. Probably known by a lot, but if you hold back and hit A while doing this he does a backflip or sidedodge without going in the ground position.
MagicWithEarvin
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Capcom has to cater to the dudebro shootan group. Douchebaggery from the protagonist included.
Also, LOL at Chris' comment about remembering his muscle memory when crossing the pole.
MiamiWesker
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Oh damn I need to try this.
I just got done playing with some friends online, this is going to be fantastic online. I am still finding new melee attacks and context kills, its amazing how many there are. For Ustanak I just leave him alone and see how many of those infinite respawn enemies I can kill, its a blast. Nothing like running at a dude smashing him down then doing a quick fire behind your shoulder to head shot the enemy behind you then dodging the instant the Ustanak charges at you.
The action is so fast so fluid so much fun. Speed runs and high level play on this game is going to be insane. I just wish it was not so damn easy, I want to know what this game will be like when enemies actually hurt you.
undrtakr900
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*sigh* Why do companies make us jump through all these hoops to play their free-advertisement. I saw this thread and noticed the July 3rd release day, got excited and turned on my x360, only to realize its Dogma exclusive or go through the hassle of bootlegging a freaking demo.
Too bad I'm lazy lol, but on the plus side all the impressions are keeping me entertained =)
Dacvak
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I played through this turd of a demo...
My, how the mighty have fallen. Capcom really no longer understands how to make a good game, do they? This demo was a real punch in the gut, because I wanted to believe it wasn't all over for the company. But honestly, this is the kind of garbage I'd expect from SEGA.
Really depressing stuff, folks. These guys used to be on top. What the hell happened?
My, how the mighty have fallen. Capcom really no longer understands how to make a good game, do they? This demo was a real punch in the gut, because I wanted to believe it wasn't all over for the company. But honestly, this is the kind of garbage I'd expect from SEGA.
Really depressing stuff, folks. These guys used to be on top. What the hell happened?