If only Nintendo actually conveyed that message clearer, maybe more of the masses would have given a shit.
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#IwataSays We will discuss new Smash Bros.3D Mario game, Mario Kart etc @ E3
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If only Nintendo actually conveyed that message clearer, maybe more of the masses would have given a shit.
thestopsign
Member
You'll find that Sony and Microsoft do the same thing, it is just that Nintendo has been around longer so there is more lash back. To give some context: Microsoft is never going to drop Halo (in the foreseeable future) as it is a main attraction, it provides stability and identity. Halo has been ingrained into Microsoft's cultural significance, it would not be a Microsoft platform without Halo. So with that in mind. How can Nintendo ever not have a 3D/2D Mario on their system? They can't, it is ridiculous for anyone to complain about seeing the same old damn Mario games on every Nintendo system. I'm not arguing that every game on the system should be of these franchises, but there has to be a system of counter balance. Gradual overturn that Nintendo is trying to find footing with. We'll see how the handle this as the Wii U advances, but you can see it happening with The Wonderful 101, X, and even Bayonetta 2, providing new experiences that weren't previously associated with Nintendo.
Onto another point, given that Nintendo has been around for six console generations, it is amazing to see how fresh they have kept Mario games throughout its existence. In fact, I would say they manage most of their franchises exceptionally well in regards to how they evolve in style, mechanics, and ingenuity, with some exclusions that come down to individual preference (I find the slow incremental changes in Animal Crossing and Pokemon as franchises off putting personally, so I tend to only pick up every other entry in those franchises to see more of a marked change). When Microsoft is on their 5th or 6th console, I hope I find each Halo as refreshing as I find the franchises that Nintendo has handled over the years.
Hopefully that made sense, I just kinda typed it haha.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
Nintendo != Sony and Microsoft? Sony has already showed waaaayyyyyy more impressive stuff than what was at E3 2011 and 2012.
The mere fact that Nextbox and PS4 are much more powerful than current gen will turn enough heads. Nintendo certainly didn't have that on there side. I don't think it's a particularly strong point to say that Nintendo has a chance to outshine Sony and Microsoft now and use evidence of their past fuck ups to legitimize that statement.
Look, yes, there is a very small chance that Nintendo will "steal the show" from Microsoft and Sony, but I'm pretty surprised that anyone is objecting to the fact that this is Microsoft or Sony's to lose.
Perhaps , but my point is new hardware does not necessarily overshadow upcoming titles for existing systems.
They came up with the MGS creator and Miyamoto friendship thing, not me.
I was exclusively talking about Nintendo.
I think there's a high chance it will or does when the hardware is actually a generational leap more advanced. Unless of course Sony and Microsoft somehow manage to really drop the ball and offer no other games.
I'm not saying anything, just that you shouldn't count your chickens before they hatch because as we know , anything can happen in this industry.
his new fps ip?
i don't even know what kind of game he can make that would warrant a new ip. their ips are already so diverse. the creation of mii's filled the starring role of many new titles. he said he's training new members and working with a small team on some new stuff, whatever new stuff they make will probably be eShop quality worthy in the modern age
Poimandres
Member
The PS3 and 360 both came across as very tired machines at E3 last year, and people were definitely eager to hear more about the Wii U.
If you think the "big news" of E3 is going to be a new Mario Kart or something... well... I can see most of the press focusing on the PS4/720, with the Wii U as a foot note.
I'm not stating anything will happen, just highlighting how the stating that the ps4/XBoxi will overshadow everything else could be wrong.
StreetsAhead
Member
Obviously there are some 'improbable to the point of ridiculousness' scenarios where Nintendo takes front and center ("Final Fantasy XV, Ghosts & Ghouls, Beyond Good & Evil, Mother 4, and Pokemon MMO Wii U exclusive', for example) and I think that it'll be hard to push through the hype of the other two - the ball is in their court, though, to show off. Last year no one was expecting Ubisoft to be the best, and then Wonderbook, Usher Concert and Nintendo Land Rule Explanation lecture happened.
Poimandres
Member
Yeah, I agree. Although I wouldn't necessarily discount Microsoft and Sonys potential to totally stuff up their presentations.
But they do make new IPs.
his new fps ip?
i don't even know what kind of game he can make that would warrant a new ip. their ips are already so diverse. the creation of mii's filled the starring role of many new titles. he said he's training new members and working with a small team on some new stuff, whatever new stuff they make will probably be eShop quality worthy in the modern age
Speaking of fps's (and/or tps's), I always thought Mario Paintball was a neat idea. I think Nintendo could get really creative with that genre. I mean, what's left for the Mario franchise to infect?
For me, the last great new IP from Nintendo is Pikmin. There have obviously been many more between then and now, but I'd love to see something with that same freshness and polish to it.
To be called Super Mario Skirmish Team Bros. in EU.
Rush2thestart
Member
And as always here we come full circle with the "those dont count!" when it comes to Nintendo new IPs.
Probably wont happen ( Mario with a gun? oh noes) but it should!
I am discounting Japan as it's a very different market that I am not part of and lego was not first party.
Graphics Horse
Member
He could ride a vomiting Yoshi.
It could be a F.L.U.D.D.-type device.
Like B.L.U.D.D.?
a Blast Liquidater Ultra Damaging Device.
I don't disagree and I'm not in the doomed camp but I am mighty pissed off how Nintendo has and is handling Wii U. From way back at E3 until today.
I'm not a fan of buying a console and then being left to dig for scraps.
StreetsAhead
Member
Yes, it was. Unless you want to argue that Luigi's Mansion 2 also wasn't.
...they do
Freezie KO
Banned
The time to make Mario Paintball was when they had the best console FPS control scheme packed into the box. What a lost opportunity.
I agree that Nintendo has created a lot of new IP. But I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for a game like Pikmin. Wii Sports/Fit/Music are obviously a different type of game. And PushMo/CrashMo are fantastic, and I hear good things about Dillon, but they're much smaller scale.
Pikmin took its concept and really dug deep to explore the gameplay mechanics. There really isn't another game like it. When someone asks for that level of depth, a world with that level of character and humor, a recognizable soundtrack, and all that comes with the introduction of a big new IP, I can't argue with them.
Pikmin 1 and 2 are some of my favorite games ever. Wii Sports is fun, but it didn't have the lasting effect on me that Pikmin did. Honestly, the last time I got that "wow" feeling from Nintendo was Kid Icarus Uprising, which felt like a new franchise. So now let's see them introduce an all new member to the family, once again defining a genre. I still believe Nintendo has it in them.
I agree that Nintendo has created a lot of new IP. But I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for a game like Pikmin. Wii Sports/Fit/Music are obviously a different type of game. And PushMo/CrashMo are fantastic, and I hear good things about Dillon, but they're much smaller scale.
Pikmin took its concept and really dug deep to explore the gameplay mechanics. There really isn't another game like it. When someone asks for that level of depth, a world with that level of character and humor, a recognizable soundtrack, and all that comes with the introduction of a big new IP, I can't argue with them.
Pikmin 1 and 2 are some of my favorite games ever. Wii Sports is fun, but it didn't have the lasting effect on me that Pikmin did. Honestly, the last time I got that "wow" feeling from Nintendo was Kid Icarus Uprising, which felt like a new franchise. So now let's see them introduce an all new member to the family, once again defining a genre. I still believe Nintendo has it in them.
Neither Nintendo nor one of their studios made it. Tell Tale Fusion did and they are owned by Time Warner. It was published by Nintendo but not developed.
They put original ideas into existing IPs because assholes who complain about no new IPs don't actually buy new IPs.
Sad but true.
Aaron Strife
Banned
This. Kirby's Epic Yarn would have sold as well as Flingsmash if Kirby wasn't in it. And then we'd be sitting around like "Why didn't they just make it a Kirby game or some shit?"
StreetsAhead
Member
Ok, so you just don't know what a first party game means then.
Not that it completely excuses them. You can create a hype train by making your name away from the IP.
If they show up at E3 and show off a futuristic action-RPG "by the makers of Metroid Prime". Hype should be there, and they should be able to able to pull it off.
They just can't release, you know, new arcade golf game and expect it to sell as well as Mario Golf.
really, it comes down to who owns the ip. nintendo doesn't own the lego ip, so it's not a first-party game.
by that same measure, eternal darkness is a first-party game, while banjo-kazooie is not (to nintendo). things got muddied in the mid-90s when nintendo introduced the term second-party to the world.
The funny thing is that the only difference between Lego City Undercover and Luigi's Mansion 2 is who owns the IP. Nintendo still owns the rights to Lego City Undercover (so TW can't just decide that they want to port the game to 360/PS3) Isn't it just semantics beyond this point?
StreetsAhead
Member
We start to get into semantics at this point. The game is owned by Nintendo, they paid for it, and Iwata is listed as the Executive Producer.
Freezie KO
Banned
Nintendo was heavily involved in the development of Luigi's Mansion 2, and they usually are for games that are considered "outsourced", like Yoshi's Island DS.
Were they involved in the development of Lego City Undercover?
StreetsAhead
Member
They paid for it and there was a Producer & Co-producer at SPD supervising the game. Shinya Takahashi was general producer and Iwata was executive producer.
POWERSPHERE
Banned
I imagine if they ever did this, it'd be Mario Squirt and it'd be based on the Sunshine Backpack. Innuendtendo.
ya you want a new Nintendo IP, not a new ole IP created by Nintendo. i get it. there's a pretty big difference between that and small-time creations like Rolling Western. i disagree that they haven't tried. i think Kid Icarus: Uprising was an attempt to create one. it played out exactly how i would imagine it
-fresh new section of gameplay carved out for it with potential for future titles
-new worlds to explore that don't retread on their existing franchises (no star fox + metroid crap)
-main characters who are iconic and center in the games (Xenoblade/X could count as a new Nintendo IP but its major problem is right here - Shulk doesn't feel attached to the franchise so this is where that one fucks up. but maybe he is somehow? we'll see)
-high production values, KI:U has so much content it could rival AAA ps360 titles
-had outside media (anime, cards)
-huge marketing budget - they certainly tried
yea it was based on old games but who really cares. those old games were dead and no one cared about them anymore at all. it is related only in name and if you discount it because of that you don't deserve games anymore. i can't imagine someone prior to the Wii saying they were holding up on buying the console until it got their Kid Icarus fix. it is disappointing overall to see the game go so far over everyones heads. it had huge potential all around.
I stand corrected. It was techically a first party game just not from a first party developer. However that makes it one title, not even developed by them that they have released in over half a year for their next generation console and there was very little third party of note to fill the gaps.
The point being that the software on the machine is sparse it has been poorly supported.
More specifically, assholes who complain about no new IPs will never have any intention of buying Nintendo games.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
20 more days until E3!
I wish that Nintendo would announce the date for E3 very soon, but I doubt it. Knowing their style, they probably would announce few days before the date.
I wish that Nintendo would announce the date for E3 very soon, but I doubt it. Knowing their style, they probably would announce few days before the date.
Except all the people who buy new IPs like the millions who bought all the new IPs this gen on all platforms. Nintendo are just too conservative make new mature IPs. They can do it with smaller or more kid friendly stuff because the risk is less.
Beetleking11
Banned
The weird thing is that I don't hate this concept. I doubt they could justify it as a full priced retail game, however.
Glass Rebel
Member
How many NDs are can we expect leading up to E3?
TheCongressman1
Member
Am I the only one that likes seeing the same casts for new games? New Nintendo IPs just don't really interest me. As long as they remain creative with the games themselves, then I'm fine.
Shikamaru Ninja
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The term second-party was a coined term Miyamoto used to sort of differentiate RARE from in-house NCL. It was and still is semantics. When Nintendo announces finances, investor reports, and press releases they use actual publishing terminology. A first party game means the hardware mfg is publishing the game, and third party means a licensee is publishing the game. The term only is relevant to the publisher, not the developer. No one even needs to know or care who the developer even is 90% of the time except forum nerds.
There is no way to easily label the developer of a game anymore, since each game usually has like 4-5 companies involved in the creation anyway.