• Register
  • TOS
  • Privacy
  • @NeoGAF
  • Like

Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
(08-11-2017, 08:50 AM)
Angry Grimace's Avatar

Originally Posted by Ashodin



Really would've liked to see this in the dragon deck tbh

I mean, that's just a made-up card
Ashodin
Member
(08-11-2017, 09:33 AM)
Ashodin's Avatar

Originally Posted by Angry Grimace

I mean, that's just a made-up card

I'm just talking about an actual four color Samurai commander. Could have tied it in by being a dragon flipper.
Violet_0
Banned
(08-11-2017, 09:35 AM)

Originally Posted by Angry Grimace

I mean, that's just a made-up card

it's real to Ashodin, and that's what counts
Imperfected
Member
(08-11-2017, 09:49 AM)
There's a katana that turns into a dragon if it makes you feel any better.
alternade
Member
(08-11-2017, 10:27 AM)
Weird rules question

If my opponent has something that increases the cost of spells, like a Sphere of Resistance, and I cast a card with Converge if i can pay an additional color do I reap the benefit?
El Topo
Member
(08-11-2017, 10:28 AM)
El Topo's Avatar
Pretty sure you do. See e.g. here.
alternade
Member
(08-11-2017, 10:33 AM)

Originally Posted by El Topo

Pretty sure you do. See e.g. here.

Well shit. That could have won me a game the other night
Santiako
Member
(08-11-2017, 03:13 PM)
Santiako's Avatar
Just singed up for a Mercadian Masques block sealed event at the GP. Yesss let's open some foil brainstorms.
bigkrev
Member
(08-11-2017, 03:25 PM)
bigkrev's Avatar

Originally Posted by Santiako

Just singed up for a Mercadian Masques block sealed event at the GP. Yesss let's open some foil brainstorms.

Protip: Troubled Healer (white common from Prophecy) is completely broken and should be splashed if you open one. It's worse under the current rules (it was ABSURD with damage stacking), but still a complete nightmare to play against
Santiako
Member
(08-11-2017, 03:30 PM)
Santiako's Avatar

Originally Posted by bigkrev

Protip: Troubled Healer (white common from Prophecy) is completely broken and should be splashed if you open one. It's worse under the current rules (it was ABSURD with damage stacking), but still a complete nightmare to play against

I'll keep that in mind thanks. It starts in 20 min.
Justin
Member
(08-11-2017, 04:26 PM)
Full commander decklists are up
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles...sts-2017-08-11
bigkrev
Member
(08-11-2017, 04:42 PM)
bigkrev's Avatar
Fuck yeah, a Cauldron Dance reprint! One of the most brutal combat tricks of all time
red13th
(08-11-2017, 04:55 PM)
red13th's Avatar
Mirari's Wake NICE.

Also what the fuck no Riptide Laboratory? Fuck you wotc
Yeef
Member
(08-11-2017, 04:58 PM)
Yeef's Avatar
Cool new art for Blood Tribute:

red13th
(08-11-2017, 04:59 PM)
red13th's Avatar
Utvara Hellkite is in, I love it. It's in my Temur cube too, I'm happy.
Firemind
Member
(08-11-2017, 05:00 PM)
Firemind's Avatar
Well that's disappointing. Only seven new dragons.
shrapnelmagnet
Member
(08-11-2017, 05:04 PM)
shrapnelmagnet's Avatar
Door of Destinies reprint! Awesome.

And Terminate :)
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
(08-11-2017, 05:11 PM)

Originally Posted by Justin

Full commander decklists are up
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles...sts-2017-08-11

wow that's really underwhelming value wise
SigmasonicX
Member
(08-11-2017, 05:15 PM)
SigmasonicX's Avatar

Originally Posted by Yeef

Cool new art for Blood Tribute:

Where are you seeing the new art? The card image gallery hasn't updated for me.
Yeef
Member
(08-11-2017, 05:16 PM)
Yeef's Avatar

Originally Posted by SigmasonicX

Where are you seeing the new art? The card image gallery hasn't updated for me.

It's in the card image gallery. You might need to do a hard refresh.
shrapnelmagnet
Member
(08-11-2017, 05:18 PM)
shrapnelmagnet's Avatar

Originally Posted by Familienoberhauptvogel

wow that's really underwhelming value wise

Yeah, overall, I agree- I think a lot of the value is in the new cards not the reprints. C16 cards are surprisingly expensive for what they are and I wouldn't be surprised to see this set do the same.

I don't think we know the Atraxa of this set, yet.
Joe Molotov
(08-11-2017, 05:20 PM)
Joe Molotov's Avatar

Originally Posted by Familienoberhauptvogel

wow that's really underwhelming value wise

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles...2017-decklists

Paper cost is ~$150 a piece, except for Wizards which was $110. How much more value were you expecting?
alternade
Member
(08-11-2017, 05:21 PM)
Overall these decklists are boring. 1-2 decent reprints and a bunch of junk commons and uncommons. I don't get their apprehension to putting playable reprints in these decks. The Wizard one should have 3-4 decent counterspells, no cavern of souls in each deck is a slap in face to EDH players, and having 1 less deck means the new Commander card pool gets even smaller.

The vampire one looks the best value and out of box playability but that's only because the rest are so crap. The freaking cat deck should have had a Sword in it for its equipment subtheme. I think all the decks should have 1-2 chase money cards in it to reward the community but I guess being lazy and creatively bankrupt is easier. Such a letdown for all the hype
Yeef
Member
(08-11-2017, 05:24 PM)
Yeef's Avatar

Originally Posted by alternade

having 1 less deck means the new Commander card pool gets even smaller.

No it doesn't. This release has 56 new cards, just like all of the other releases except C14 which had 61.
red13th
(08-11-2017, 05:26 PM)
red13th's Avatar

Originally Posted by Joe Molotov

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles...2017-decklists

Paper cost is ~$150 a piece, except for Wizards which was $110. How much more value were you expecting?

Most of the value is in the new cards and for some reason the wizards deck isn't showing the price for several of those.
jph139
Member
(08-11-2017, 05:27 PM)
jph139's Avatar

Originally Posted by shrapnelmagnet

I don't think we know the Atraxa of this set, yet.

I still feel like a dumbass for passing this one up. I'm like - wow, cool card. Not gonna build a four color deck though, sounds dumb.

By the time I realize "WUBG Infect" sounds amazing? $20 card. I'm not spending that!
ElyrionX
a melancholic piano
a sea-blown wind
(08-11-2017, 05:29 PM)
ElyrionX's Avatar
Hahaha they reprinted Comet Storm AGAIN?
Yeef
Member
(08-11-2017, 05:30 PM)
Yeef's Avatar
I really wish they didn't foil the commanders. Even double sleeved, the cards tend to curl, so when I put them in my cubes I have to proxy them.
Simply Sarah
Member
(08-11-2017, 05:31 PM)
Simply Sarah's Avatar

Originally Posted by Familienoberhauptvogel

wow that's really underwhelming value wise

Super underwhelming. Most of the includes are both cheap and not actually very good cards. And the dragon deck's manabase is brutal. A deck full of gold and double coloured mana costs and you're stuck with a third of the lands being ETB tapped and most of the rest being basics. Sure, the cards in the deck trend expensive to cast but still.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
(08-11-2017, 05:37 PM)

Originally Posted by Joe Molotov

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles...2017-decklists

Paper cost is ~$150 a piece, except for Wizards which was $110. How much more value were you expecting?

eh gotta wait the new cards prices out. I was hoping for at least a couple decent reprints like previous sets had
alternade
Member
(08-11-2017, 05:37 PM)

Originally Posted by Simply Sarah

Super underwhelming. Most of the includes are both cheap and not actually very good cards. And the dragon deck's manabase is brutal. A deck full of gold and double coloured mana costs and you're stuck with a third of the lands being ETB tapped and most of the rest being basics. Sure, the cards in the deck trend expensive to cast but still.

I am going to an midnight C17 tournament and I feel for whoever chooses the Dragon deck. It looks like it won't start working until turn 6. Would it kill wotc to reprint some untapped duals or any color lands. Mana Confluence and City of Brass should've been in that deck along side some new kind of commander specific dual or ramp spells.
bigkrev
Member
(08-11-2017, 05:51 PM)
bigkrev's Avatar
Jason Alt put out a series of tweets describing the issue with reprints
https://twitter.com/JasonEAlt/status/896022970333888515

Basically, there are $10-15 cards that need to be reprinted in these sets, because then they go to $25-30, and both scare Wizards off of reprinting them in these precons again because they are too expensive, and start to price players out of the cards/format. He cites Patriarch's Bidding as a card that is going to be too expensive for casual players, plus is really awkward to reprint in a supplamental booster products (being a tribal only card and having no value outside of casual 60s/EDH). Phyrexian Alter was a $10 that jumped to $30, ect
Simply Sarah
Member
(08-11-2017, 06:00 PM)
Simply Sarah's Avatar

Originally Posted by Joe Molotov

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles...2017-decklists

Paper cost is ~$150 a piece, except for Wizards which was $110. How much more value were you expecting?

Most of that value is illusory. The value can generally be split into three categories:
1. New cards (which generally are overpriced at this point in time and will go down some/a lot)
2. Reprint of cards with an OK price. These are basically certainly to drop due to being reprinted.
3. The bulk chaff that makes up the rest of the deck. This adds a decent amount of value just due to the sheer number of cards. The issue often is, and I'd say this is the case here, is that the vast majority of this stuff is, well, bad and not something you really want to play with outside of playing this preconstructed out of the box. As a result you really get no value from them since they'll buylist for basically nothing and you don't want to use them in actual decks you make.
Ondor
Banned
(08-11-2017, 06:01 PM)

Originally Posted by SigmasonicX

.

Originally Posted by Violet_0

.

Originally Posted by Justin

.

Thanks everyone. I'll download Magic Duels to familiarize myself tonight. I've never heard of booster drafting and that sounds really exciting for when I know the game better. I'll definitely make sure I attend a pre-release event.

How important are older sets of cards? I don't entirely understand the block system. Are Ixalan cards all I'll need to play for the next few years?
ElyrionX
a melancholic piano
a sea-blown wind
(08-11-2017, 06:01 PM)
ElyrionX's Avatar

Originally Posted by bigkrev

Jason Alt put out a series of tweets describing the issue with reprints
https://twitter.com/JasonEAlt/status/896022970333888515

Basically, there are $10-15 cards that need to be reprinted in these sets, because then they go to $25-30, and both scare Wizards off of reprinting them in these precons again because they are too expensive, and start to price players out of the cards/format. He cites Patriarch's Bidding as a card that is going to be too expensive for casual players, plus is really awkward to reprint in a supplamental booster products (being a tribal only card and having no value outside of casual 60s/EDH). Phyrexian Alter was a $10 that jumped to $30, ect

There's no such thing as pricing players out of a casual format.
TheBlackMarvel
#STAYWOKE
(08-11-2017, 06:01 PM)
TheBlackMarvel's Avatar

Originally Posted by Yeef

Cool new art for Blood Tribute:

So this is depicting the birth of the Innistrad Vampires, right? Shame they used a statue rather than showing us them butchering an angel.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
(08-11-2017, 06:05 PM)

Originally Posted by ElyrionX

There's no such thing as pricing players out of a casual format.

idk I'm not building any green based creature decks because I ain't gonna buy a cradle.
Justin
Member
(08-11-2017, 06:06 PM)

Originally Posted by Ondor

Thanks everyone. I'll download Magic Duels to familiarize myself tonight. I've never heard of booster drafting and that sounds really exciting for when I know the game better. I'll definitely make sure I attend a pre-release event.

How important are older sets of cards? I don't entirely understand the block system. Are Ixalan cards all I'll need to play for the next few years?

Kaladesh, Aether Revolt, Amonkhet and Hour of Devastation are in standard till October 2018 so I would recommend not getting anything older than those if you are interested in standard. Ixalan will be in standard till October 2019.

Drafts are really fun. The draft is a whole seperate game in itself. You dont have to be good at the game to draft. I would say once you understand the basics of how the game is played then you are ready for draft. If you want to see one in action here is one from the most recent pro tour with the current set.
https://youtu.be/j_LAFco1DX4?t=493
Boogiepop
Member
(08-11-2017, 06:12 PM)
Boogiepop's Avatar
So wait, how hard would it be to get the cat deck up to decent? Like, want to pick it up to do semi-casual Commander with friends who do buy cards here and there, without having to get into the whole picking-up-packs and spending a ton thing. I DO have a moderate number of older cards, stretching from around Judgment looks like (I just remember my first pack having Commander Eesha and thinking it was so awesome to have gotten a legendary creature) up through mid-first time around of Mirrodin. Not sure what I'd be looking for, outside of obviously I'd want to get my Sword of Light and Shadow in there, I'd imagine. (Had a Jareth I was expecting to sub in... but turns out he's already in the deck).
Edit: And a handful of REAL old cards, but I don't think anything actually usable. Like, certainly no dual-lands or anything rattling around, far as I know. Just assorted junk, IIRC.

Ooh, right, are the Incarnations actually considered good? I liked them back in the day, and I do have Brawn and Valor that could in theory go in, if that wouldn't be a bad plan...
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
(08-11-2017, 06:20 PM)

Originally Posted by Boogiepop

So wait, how hard would it be to get the cat deck up to decent? Like, want to pick it up to do semi-casual Commander with friends who do buy cards here and there, without having to get into the whole picking-up-packs and spending a ton thing. I DO have a moderate number of older cards, stretching from around Judgment looks like (I just remember my first pack having Commander Eesha and thinking it was so awesome to have gotten a legendary creature) up through mid-first time around of Mirrodin. Not sure what I'd be looking for, outside of obviously I'd want to get my Sword of Light and Shadow in there, I'd imagine. (Had a Jareth I was expecting to sub in... but turns out he's already in the deck).
Edit: And a handful of REAL old cards, but I don't think anything actually usable. Like, certainly no dual-lands or anything rattling around, far as I know. Just assorted junk, IIRC.

Ooh, right, are the Incarnations actually considered good? I liked them back in the day, and I do have Brawn and Valor that could in theory go in, if that wouldn't be a bad plan...

not much because Ahrabo is kind of a cheesy commander. There's a ton of cheap both money and cmc wise cats and you kinda just want to play all of them and smash people for 5 on turn 2.

It's just not gonna be a deck that's good at doing anything else.
Firemind
Member
(08-11-2017, 06:22 PM)
Firemind's Avatar

Originally Posted by Familienoberhauptvogel

idk I'm not building any green based creature decks because I ain't gonna buy a cradle.

Cradle is worth it since it's not on the reserve list though.

Now Nekusar on the other hand... Timetwister, Imperial Seal, Mana Drain, oy.
MoxManiac
Member
(08-11-2017, 06:50 PM)
MoxManiac's Avatar

Originally Posted by Firemind

Cradle is worth it since it's not on the reserve list though.

Now Nekusar on the other hand... Timetwister, Imperial Seal, Mana Drain, oy.

Cradle is on the reserved list.
ElyrionX
a melancholic piano
a sea-blown wind
(08-11-2017, 06:52 PM)
ElyrionX's Avatar
Seal and Drain are not on the reserved list too
y2dvd
Member
(08-11-2017, 06:53 PM)
y2dvd's Avatar

Originally Posted by Boogiepop

So wait, how hard would it be to get the cat deck up to decent? Like, want to pick it up to do semi-casual Commander with friends who do buy cards here and there, without having to get into the whole picking-up-packs and spending a ton thing. I DO have a moderate number of older cards, stretching from around Judgment looks like (I just remember my first pack having Commander Eesha and thinking it was so awesome to have gotten a legendary creature) up through mid-first time around of Mirrodin. Not sure what I'd be looking for, outside of obviously I'd want to get my Sword of Light and Shadow in there, I'd imagine. (Had a Jareth I was expecting to sub in... but turns out he's already in the deck).
Edit: And a handful of REAL old cards, but I don't think anything actually usable. Like, certainly no dual-lands or anything rattling around, far as I know. Just assorted junk, IIRC.

Ooh, right, are the Incarnations actually considered good? I liked them back in the day, and I do have Brawn and Valor that could in theory go in, if that wouldn't be a bad plan...

I run Aurelia Voltron and all the swords are an absolute beast. Puresteel Paladin isn't a cat but with a bunch of artifacts and Leonin Shikari out, equiping everything for free and at instant speed is sweet. I would play Stoneforge Mystic and Stonehewer Giant to fetch up equipment along with Open the Armory or Steelshaper's Gift. Sure, these creatures breaks up the tribal lol, but it would make the deck a vast improvement.
shrapnelmagnet
Member
(08-11-2017, 07:08 PM)
shrapnelmagnet's Avatar

Originally Posted by Familienoberhauptvogel

idk I'm not building any green based creature decks because I ain't gonna buy a cradle.

I agree- some cards I simply cannot justify despite their effect being pretty interesting.
hermit7
Member
(08-11-2017, 07:15 PM)
hermit7's Avatar
Going to just get the vampire deck I think and only make some minor upgrades to use as a decent entry level deck to play for fun or when in a group where I don't know anyone.

I am buylisting a ton of stuff that I either am not using or won't use and keep because "some day" I may use it. Seems like a bit of a waste for me. Seems like I have a ton of shit stored away and want to get some return on that.
Firemind
Member
(08-11-2017, 07:28 PM)
Firemind's Avatar

Originally Posted by MoxManiac

Cradle is on the reserved list.

Oops. I meant on the reserve list so you don't need to be afraid of reprint shenanigans.
Justin
Member
(08-11-2017, 07:29 PM)
Maro said on his podcast that came out today that there has been a revamp of how magic has been made. He said it is the biggest change since he has started working at wizards and the biggest change WOTC has ever made. There will be an article later in the fall when they get closer to the sets that were affected by the changes.

He also called digital next a significant investment in magic's future
kirblar
Member
(08-11-2017, 07:30 PM)
kirblar's Avatar

Originally Posted by Justin

Maro said on his podcast that came out today that there has been a revamp of how magic has been made. He said it is the biggest change since he has started working at wizards and the biggest change WOTC has ever made. There will be an article later in the fall when they get closer to the sets that were affected by the changes.

(It's Play Design, that team is f'ing huge.)

Having Devs involved at all steps of the process is good.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
(08-11-2017, 07:30 PM)
Angry Grimace's Avatar

Originally Posted by Justin

Maro said on his podcast that came out today that there has been a revamp of how magic has been made. He said it is the biggest change since he has started working at wizards and the biggest change WOTC has ever made. There will be an article later in the fall when they get closer to the sets that were affected by the changes.

Maro says this literally every year now.

Thread Tools