Crimsonclaw111
Member
Let's see them Dishonored 2 before and after benchmarks now.
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R.I.P Denuvo - Tekken 7 and Dishonored 2 cracked
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Dishonored 2 has big problems related to the engine so I expect improvement to be non existent.
Since apparently people who dislike Denuvo are dirty pirates wanting freebies:
http://steamcommunity.com/id/gngf1006/games/?tab=all
Nearly 900 games. Quite a decent number, but not even close to the numbers some of SteamGAF gets.
Fuck Denuvo.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/gngf1006/games/?tab=all
Nearly 900 games. Quite a decent number, but not even close to the numbers some of SteamGAF gets.
Fuck Denuvo.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
For sure, idtech5 sucks balls. But I'm still curious to see if anything improves.
King Gilga
Member
Nice.
Get fucked secur- I mean denuvo.
Get fucked secur- I mean denuvo.
With their library heavily based on games more than 8 years old.
Anything new is made by small dev teams who are capable enough at marketing themselves with customers who don't like DRM and are willing to pay for games. Even some of those devs have come out and said pirates heavily abuse their games. I've never seen a small dev say pirates haven't been a problem.
Now you should ask how much a DRM scheme costs to implement and if the added customers are able to offset those costs.
RedlineRonin
Member
Probably.
Didn't someone a couple pages back say they implemented it on Rime and that sold like 16K units?
If I had to guess, I'd think their contract is written so they get paid off of some function that scales with revenue/profit.
Crazy proposal: There are people that buy all their games legally and still hope that denuvo dies because they dislike it because there's actual, factual critcisim to be had with it. Craaaaazy i know.
Hope i didn't shatter your embarassingly simplistic worldview by saying that.
Now we could get comparisons if there's any impact at all.
Tekken 7 already runs excellently on high and low end pc's.
There were not errors related to it on r/tekken or here at all.
I highly doubt that removing denuvo will have noticeable big performance or usage impact at all but I'm still highly against it, the chance that it could ruin performance and can make it unusable in the future is a terrible thing.
Steam drm is more than enough.
I can't understand how this is a thing.
This is just terribly dumb and wrong.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
Some people get mad why because they can't pirate the game day one?
Chainsawkitten
Member
Ok. But you agree those games exist, no? And they will continue to exist. And they're the majority of PC games being released. PC gaming isn't going away.
Hi. I'm a small dev. Our game's certainly been pirated. I don't consider it a problem.
Exactly, that's all there is to it and no other reason has been posted ITT
Yea, they are definitely going to stop that after they just had the most successful fighting game launch in the history of steam.
Yeah, totally crazy, after all DRM has never bitten in ass of legit buyers.
Well Denuvo is unnoticeable when it works. And it works in 99% cases.
I'm sure it would get a lot less hate from legit buyers if it was removed later.
Cracks won't affect performance. Especially Dishonored 2, as it's just "keygen" that makes Denuvo think it already has authenticated with servers. Meaning it's 100% same as legit copies.
D2 uses Void Engine, not ID Tech 5. Even though they're related, they're not even closely the same, Void is rewritten for DirectX while ID Tech originally was OpenGL.
Deathknell
Member
LMAO
King Gilga
Member
Oh I didn't get the memo, I guess I should start pirating games then, because that's the only way I can dislike non steam/origin/battlenet/whateverthatclientthatubisoftusesis drm.
copelandmaster
Member
Dark Souls 2/Scholar and Dark Souls 3 are co published by Bandai Namco and From, released around the same time as consoles, and did not have Denuvo. And sold gangbusters. Try again.
luca_29_bg
Member
i suppose this is not so far away from what is really happening...
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
They could just not release the games on PC, try cracking that?
I know that's not fair and PC gamers have every right to be able to buy it for PC but the amount of people that's gonna pirate it now....I don't think the install Base is worth it tbh and it's always gonna be a problem when releasing on PC. I'm not saying they should do that, that's just the only way I can see getting round it.
One person spoils it for us all
I know that's not fair and PC gamers have every right to be able to buy it for PC but the amount of people that's gonna pirate it now....I don't think the install Base is worth it tbh and it's always gonna be a problem when releasing on PC. I'm not saying they should do that, that's just the only way I can see getting round it.
One person spoils it for us all
Exactly this. This could lead to even more invasive DRM or publishers deciding not to bother with PC. That, or more always-online games.
Ive typed and deleted like 7 sentences, so in the interest of not getting banned I'm just going to post this gif
Gifs say more than 7 sentences.
Writing is silver, Gifs are gold.
AcceptableGhost
Member
Tons of games came out on Steam prior to Denuvo (using only Steamworks DRM) and made money and the market will continue to grow with or without Denuvo. Steam as a service helped PC gaming grow, not Steam's DRM (or any other DRM).
Neither of these things is going to happen because of a minority of games using denuvo get cracked.
Publishers already experimented with always online and it blew up right in their face
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They're certainly not going to skip the pc version because a) there's a fuckton of well selling AAA games on PC without Denuvo and b) That train of thought makes literally no freakin' sense at all.
So instead of having 100% PC sales minus whatever % pirates the game, you just don't wanna earn any money from that part of the market at all?
That's cutting your own nose out of spite
OnionPowder
Member
Over 600 here and I agree.
Bunch of pro DRM stances in here are gross. Why do people willfully opt and hope for restrictions on the products they purchase?
They're not going to skip PC ports if they're making money. There's a reason there are a lot more PC ports nowadays, especially in comparison to 5 or so years ago when always online was the hotness.
BigEmil
Junior Member
Pirates make a such a small percentage compared to people buying the game and also those pirates wasn't gonna buy the games in the first place so no sales are lost
i suppose this is not so far away from what is really happening...
Peter Ian Staker
Member
It doesn't really matter.
They are not implemented because the publishers have done research and seen how it improves sales. They are implemented because shareholders tell them to do something about piracy and they have show them something even if it isnt effective or practical.
That's how you had shit like CD checks and Securom last so long even though they were easily cracked and literally made the legal version worse than the pirated one.
CecilRousso
Member
They won't give up - because PC games sell, which means them giving up would be them leaving money on the table.
And it's only the biggest publishers that can afford to build and maintain always online experiences. So that dystopia will not happen to the absolute majority of the games.
If you still don't know why people are happy, feel free to ask, because it's really not that hard to explain, and it's already been explained in this very thread.
It's a bit weird if nothing else, because the fight against piracy is not ours, and we should not give up anymore rights then we already have because of it, unless we're heavily compensated for it. We as paying consumers should have only this in interest - getting the best product, delivered in the best way, to the most fair price.
I think you're really overestimating them. I doubt that there that much research available to them, and that DRM instead fullfills two important criterias for the ones deciding on it:
1. It's a simple answer to a complex issue, that's easy to explain to the interested parties.
2. They can show that they have acted. (of course an item more important to larger companies then smaller devs).
Abilidebob
Member
I sure do love living in this reality where, before Denuvo came around, PC gaming was just completely filled with pirates and publishers didn't want to release games on the platform. Then Denuvo, Securom bless it, came and saved us from the dark ages.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Generally I haven't minded Denuvo because I've never noticed it. The other DRM solutions I've had to deal with were far more obnoxious in the past.
RedlineRonin
Member
Very few companies enjoy games with critical acclaim the level of CDPR's let alone enjoy the appreciation from their community the way that CDPR does.
It's a bit easier stance to take when those two things are true.
Gamezone
Gold Member
I hope you are right. They had no issue skipping PC as a platform before.
-MD-
Member
Yes before, as in, the 2000's.
PC gaming makes too much money and development costs continue to rise.
Leaving out any system with sales potential is stupid nowadays.
stan423321
Member
The thing is, publishers want always online games anyway. Denuvo working or not has little influence on this, especially since it basically calls home whenever anything ruffles it's feathers - so unless you are very careful with your PC, it needs internet to launch...
Flying Toaster
Member
PC gaming is making a killing right now. I do not see anyone leaving money at the doorstep just because of pirates.
I would love to see actual figures on pirated copies because a lot of people make it out to be this enormously huge issue and yet publishers are selling an epic ton of content on PC still.
A supermajority of China was running pirated windows software and MS was still making money. Where are the figures to show that pirated software is overtaking the actual cost benefit of releasing on PC?
You mean like Dark Souls III, that sold over 1.5 million copies on Steam despite being pirated since day one?
yanipheonu
Member
no, why would you even suggest that? bandai namco knows perfectly well the game was not going to sell 1 million copies, and it wont. I think they know how pc sales work and they are ok with it. They have embraced the platform pretty well if you ask me and i dont think them selling 100k copies (in launch week) of a game, when they have sold less in others and still pumped out the sequels at the same time, will affect them this way.
Green Ninja
Banned
I guess the solution is to not do PC ports going forward