DSi North American Launch Date: April 5th, 2009 - Page 16

perfectchaos007 · (03-21-2009, 10:14 AM)

Originally Posted by Captain N:

Pop Plus Solo is going to be there on day 1. It seems to be pretty much the same version on wiiware and iphone.

I bet the iPhone and DSiware will be getting a lot of the same games down the road.

jesusraz · (03-21-2009, 10:17 AM)

Oh, and another bug-bear I should mention is that dev carts won't work on DSi as of now. I know Nintendo wants to block Flash cards to prevent piracy, but it needs to release an updated firmware to allow in-progress development carts to work...

Caesar III · (03-21-2009, 10:18 AM)

Originally Posted by jaundicejuice:

Since the DSi only has 256mb of internal storage can I use DSi Ware directly off of an SD Card or is it more beer fridge jugglin'?

It's the same system as it is on Wii. So you have to rearrange the fridge IF you fill up the DSi.

BUT: Games on the DSi are not as huge as they are on Wii. And WiiWare games are not that large either tbh.

Most of the retail games are only 16 to 32MB, so I guess a DSi game is like 4 to 8MB. That would be 22 8MB downloads if you can use at least 180MB out of those 256.

mrklaw · (03-21-2009, 10:24 AM)

Originally Posted by Caesar III:

It's the same system as it is on Wii. So you have to rearrange the fridge IF you fill up the DSi.

BUT: Games on the DSi are not as huge as they are on Wii. And WiiWare games are not that large either tbh.

Most of the retail games are only 16 to 32MB, so I guess a DSi game is like 4 to 8MB. That would be 22 8MB downloads if you can use at least 180MB out of those 256.

oh FFS, it just gets better and better. So pirate carts will be more functional than Nintendo's own solution?

It was almost acceptable for the wii until wiiware came out, but for the DSi the download store thing is the only differentiator (assuming no retail DSi carts, its the only way to get software that leverages the new features), and they've still fucked it up.

swerve · (03-21-2009, 10:42 AM)

Copying is pretty quick, and it's the top option in the settings menu. I am surprised there's not an 'SD channel' on DSi but it's easy to manage what's on your machine and what's not.

Even if they let you run from SD, there's no solution for how you have everything on the DSi Menu (just like the Wii menu) so I really don't think they are going to do anything beyond 'Save direct to SD' on either system.

I haven't been able to fill my DSi memory yet but when I do I'm hopeful it permits save-direct-to-SD. I'll update.

mrklaw · (03-21-2009, 10:46 AM)

Originally Posted by swerve:

Copying is pretty quick, and it's the top option in the settings menu. I am surprised there's not an 'SD channel' on DSi but it's easy to manage what's on your machine and what's not.

Even if they let you run from SD, there's no solution for how you have everything on the DSi Menu (just like the Wii menu) so I really don't think they are going to do anything beyond 'Save direct to SD' on either system.

I haven't been able to fill my DSi memory yet but when I do I'm hopeful it permits save-direct-to-SD. I'll update.

if its quick, then just let you select the game from a list, and do it automatically in the background. You want to snatch a few minutes gaming when you have the chance, and spend most of it organising your fucking collection (yes, I'm exaggerating)

VOOK · (03-21-2009, 10:47 AM)

My DSi had 63 blocks left with 22 DSiWare titles (including all the Art Style Games, Mr Driller, Moving Memo, most of the 500 point apps, Brain Training, a Clock, Calculator and the Web Browser. The menu itself had about 8 spare spots left.

If that's a problem, cry more.

PTCoakley · (03-21-2009, 10:51 AM)

Originally Posted by VOOK:

My DSi had 63 blocks left with 22 DSiWare titles (including all the Art Style Games, Mr Driller, Moving Memo, most of the 500 point apps, Brain Training, a Clock, Calculator and the Web Browser. The menu itself had about 8 spare spots left.

If that's a problem, cry more.

How much did all that cost?

VOOK · (03-21-2009, 10:56 AM)

Originally Posted by PTCoakley:

How much did all that cost?

Lemme do the math...

About 9000 points.

Caesar III · (03-21-2009, 11:02 AM)

Originally Posted by VOOK:

My DSi had 63 blocks left with 22 DSiWare titles (including all the Art Style Games, Mr Driller, Moving Memo, most of the 500 point apps, Brain Training, a Clock, Calculator and the Web Browser. The menu itself had about 8 spare spots left.

Could you please tell me if I'm correct that those games are like 4 to 8MB and you can use around 180MB ;) I don't have a DS yet. Just 2 weeks to wait :)

swerve · 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by Caesar III:

Could you please tell me if I'm correct that those games are like 4 to 8MB and you can use around 180MB ;) I don't have a DS yet. Just 2 weeks to wait :)

It'll depend on whether you save photos and moving memos to the internal memory, etc, how much you can use. They all seem to share the same pool.

Nintendo's own (or Skip's) DSi-ware seems to follow the same as WiiWare - rarely more than 80 blocks. Can't vouch for 3rd parties but they don't generally put the same effort into getting their sizes down.

Of course, sane people use huge SD cards for the photos, music and memos.

Man, I've downloaded so many memos.

*hugs DSi*

Looks at 3D Picross

*hugs DSi more*

PTCoakley · (03-21-2009, 11:15 AM)

Originally Posted by VOOK:

Lemme do the math...

About 9000 points.

Damn. Is it worth having all that stuff?

VOOK · (03-21-2009, 11:19 AM)

Originally Posted by PTCoakley:

Damn. Is it worth having all that stuff?

Personally? No - considering I don't speak a lick of Japanese.

But it helped my write and video impressions for all the games (Dec, Jan, Feb), and write a giant FAQ about the DSi for my site.

TerryLee81 · (03-21-2009, 11:30 AM)

Originally Posted by VOOK:

Personally? No - considering I don't speak a lick of Japanese.

But it helped my write and video impressions for all the games (Dec, Jan, Feb), and write a giant FAQ about the DSi for my site.

Very helpfull FAQ, thanks.

Quote:

Will my DS Phat/DS Lite/Micro/GBA SP Chargers work on the DSi?

Nintendo has seen fit to change the charger on the DSi, again from the DS Lite which itself was changed from the DS; none of the previous AC Adapters will work on the DSi.

Why, Nintendo? WHY?

migulic · (03-21-2009, 11:31 AM)

The DSi supposedly has worse battery life than the Lite; how does it compare to the Phat though? I'm pretty satisfied with the battery life of my launch DS Phat (I heard the Lite had an improved battery) but I wouldn't want anything less.

swerve · (03-21-2009, 11:39 AM)

Originally Posted by migulic:

The DSi supposedly has worse battery life than the Lite; how does it compare to the Phat though? I'm pretty satisfied with the battery life of my launch DS Phat (I heard the Lite had an improved battery) but I wouldn't want anything less.

It's more to do with usage.

Your DSi will be much more network-heavy than your previous machines, so the battery life will suffer just through that.

Actually raw gameplay battery life on the same brightness settings as the DS Lite seem unchanged in practise.

But if you're spending all day browsing Moving Memo's 'ugomemo theater' then you're draining the battery like you've never done on your phat or lite.

migulic · (03-21-2009, 12:07 PM)

Originally Posted by swerve:

It's more to do with usage.

Your DSi will be much more network-heavy than your previous machines, so the battery life will suffer just through that.

Actually raw gameplay battery life on the same brightness settings as the DS Lite seem unchanged in practise.

But if you're spending all day browsing Moving Memo's 'ugomemo theater' then you're draining the battery like you've never done on your phat or lite.

OK, so that means that for just playing DS games, I should get the same, if not better battery life as on the Phat?

Caesar III · (03-21-2009, 01:11 PM)

Originally Posted by swerve:

It'll depend on whether you save photos and moving memos to the internal memory, etc, how much you can use. They all seem to share the same pool.

But you can put photos to the sd card can't you?

Quote:

Nintendo's own (or Skip's) DSi-ware seems to follow the same as WiiWare - rarely more than 80 blocks. Can't vouch for 3rd parties but they don't generally put the same effort into getting their sizes down.

And how big is 80blocks in MB?

I just was talking about the space that is avaiable for whatever use you want it. On Wii you can only use about half of the 512MB because the Wiis system needs some storage as well. It's the same here too, isn't it?

Quote:

Of course, sane people use huge SD cards for the photos, music and memos.

I'll do so as well to save storage for art style and stuff

Quote:

*hugs DSi*
Looks at 3D Picross
*hugs DSi more*

This game is too expensive for my liking at the moment, I'll bite when its around 25€ or it gets a release here in Europe.

Caesar III · (03-21-2009, 01:27 PM)

Originally Posted by migulic:

OK, so that means that for just playing DS games, I should get the same, if not better battery life as on the Phat?

I hope so, especially because the phat only has the darkest brightness setting of the other two versions. So if you can play that way you battery should live at least as long as with the phat.

PTCoakley · (03-21-2009, 01:43 PM)

Originally Posted by VOOK:

Personally? No - considering I don't speak a lick of Japanese.

But it helped my write and video impressions for all the games (Dec, Jan, Feb), and write a giant FAQ about the DSi for my site.

Nice FAQ. I plan to do a similar writeup when it comes out here.

swerve · (03-21-2009, 01:56 PM)

Originally Posted by migulic:

OK, so that means that for just playing DS games, I should get the same, if not better battery life as on the Phat?

That's correct, in my experienc.

I previously thought that it was a lot shorter, but then I thought about it and I was spending most of my time with Moving Memo Pad online. So obviously it's significantly shorter then.

Guled · (03-21-2009, 01:56 PM)

are we going to get 1000 free points like Japan did at launch? And has Nintendo even said anything on which downloadable titles we are getting for launch?

VOOK · (03-21-2009, 02:14 PM)

Originally Posted by Guled:

are we going to get 1000 free points like Japan did at launch? And has Nintendo even said anything on which downloadable titles we are getting for launch?

I'm going to a "retailer" event on Wednesday (despite me being press) and that's the first thing I will be asking.

APZonerunner · (03-21-2009, 02:32 PM)

Europe definitely has the free points. Dunno about USA though.

mrklaw · (03-21-2009, 02:49 PM)

VOOK, stop making excuses for it. It was a bad idea on the Wii, its a bad idea on the DSi. Games will get larger, and with no itunes equivalent, many people will leave all their downloads on the DSi. I'm sure its manageable now, but that isn't an excuse

How do you back up games BTW? Any USB connection, or can you redownload at will?

VOOK · (03-21-2009, 03:02 PM)

Originally Posted by mrklaw:

VOOK, stop making excuses for it. It was a bad idea on the Wii, its a bad idea on the DSi. Games will get larger, and with no itunes equivalent, many people will leave all their downloads on the DSi. I'm sure its manageable now, but that isn't an excuse

How do you back up games BTW? Any USB connection, or can you redownload at will?

Manageable now? I'm already at the extreme where it is full. And yes you can redownload them at will, copy them to SD card (which unlike the Wii seriously only takes seconds). I've got all my DSiWare games backed up on my computer from the SD.

It's better then iTunes, you can't redownload on iTunes.

It's not like the Wii where you can download a N64 game and a SNES game and it be full, I've gotten 22 different items and a ton of pictures from the Camera and I only not had to swap out Brain Training to the SD card to do an update on Aquirio. (yes Patches)

Balb · (03-21-2009, 03:04 PM)

Originally Posted by VOOK:

Manageable now? I'm already at the extreme where it is full. And yes you can redownload them at will, copy them to SD card (which unlike the Wii seriously only takes seconds). I've got all my DSiWare games backed up on my computer from the SD.

It's better then iTunes, you can't redownload on iTunes.

It's not like the Wii where you can download a N64 game and a SNES game and it be full, I've gotten 22 different items and a ton of pictures from the Camera and I only not had to swap out Brain Training to the SD card to do an update on Aquirio. (yes Patches)

That doesn't make the situation any better. It's still a lackluster storage system.

VOOK · 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Balb:

That doesn't make the situation any better. It's still a lackluster storage system.

I've spent 9000 points and have 22 different DSi Ware games - no one who isn't an idiot like me and does that won't spend that much until at least 6-12 months into it. Really guys, you're making a mountain out of molehill.

There is only a couple spots left on the menu anyway!

(btw my Wii has 30 free blocks and I hate it, but don't see it as a problem on the DSi because it takes no time at all to swap things around you know when you're DSi is full 2 years from now).

Tim-E · (03-21-2009, 03:45 PM)

Originally Posted by VOOK:

Really guys, you're making a mountain out of molehill.

Sounds like a typical NeoGAF thread to me!

Caesar III · (03-21-2009, 03:45 PM)

Originally Posted by APZonerunner:

Europe definitely has the free points. Dunno about USA though.

really? Source? I haven't read anything about this so far. This is great news.

whatdidyousay · (03-21-2009, 04:19 PM)

Does anyone have this case? I'm thinking of getting the black one but I wanted to hear about it from any owners...

Hive · (03-21-2009, 04:23 PM)

VOOK!

Can you verify if Mr. Driller DSi is the full game? I have the PAL version, which has more modes than the US version~

thx!

yoursisterspretty · 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by VOOK:

It's better then iTunes, you can't redownload on iTunes.

Huh? Maybe with music and movies that's a no, but with applications, you can download them again as many times as you wish. Bought something on your computer but forgot to sync? Just download it for free directly on your iPhone/Touch. So in other words it's a much better system than on Wii/DSi, but to be honest the storage solutions on those systems really don't bother me much.

Kunan · (03-21-2009, 04:55 PM)

256 is kinda low, all things considered. 512s are dirt cheap now, atleast put one of those in sheesh.

Kilrogg · (03-21-2009, 05:00 PM)

By the way, I know WiiWare games won't go beyond 40MB, but what is the maximum size for DSiWare software?

cw_sasuke · (03-21-2009, 05:54 PM)

Originally Posted by APZonerunner:

Europe definitely has the free points. Dunno about USA though.

I guess it`s true for US also.

1000 Points with DSi Purchase.

http://www.target.com/Nintendo-DSi-C...h=k:dsi&page=1

Mejilan · (03-21-2009, 05:57 PM)

Yeah, my GS manager confirmed quite some time ago that we were getting the free 1000 points, but he indicated that it might be limited only to preorders.

Mockingbird · (03-21-2009, 06:16 PM)

Can the DSi read HDSD memory cards? What's the max?

Vyse The Legend · (03-21-2009, 06:25 PM)

What color is everyone getting?

cw_sasuke · (03-21-2009, 06:26 PM)

Originally Posted by Vyse The Legend:

What color is everyone getting?

Black, for me.

Struct09 · (03-21-2009, 06:28 PM)

Originally Posted by Mockingbird:

Can the DSi read HDSD memory cards? What's the max?

SDHC? Yes. No idea what the max is (or if there even is one).

PTCoakley · (03-21-2009, 06:30 PM)

Originally Posted by Vyse The Legend:

What color is everyone getting?

Blue

Nuclear Muffin · (03-21-2009, 06:32 PM)

Originally Posted by Mockingbird:

Can the DSi read HDSD memory cards? What's the max?

Yes it can read SDHC cards and the max size is 32GB.

Link Man · (03-21-2009, 06:54 PM)

Does the Opera Browser support Flash? Can I watch Youtube on the DSi, for example?

BikoBiko · (03-21-2009, 07:02 PM)

Originally Posted by Kilrogg:

By the way, I know WiiWare games won't go beyond 40MB, but what is the maximum size for DSiWare software?

The biggest ones are 15 MB right now (I think), but haven't read anything official about it.

Originally Posted by Vyse The Legend:

What color is everyone getting?

Definitely white since I'm in Europe.

jaundicejuice · (03-21-2009, 07:11 PM)

Originally Posted by Caesar III:

It's the same system as it is on Wii. So you have to rearrange the fridge IF you fill up the DSi.

BUT: Games on the DSi are not as huge as they are on Wii. And WiiWare games are not that large either tbh.

Most of the retail games are only 16 to 32MB, so I guess a DSi game is like 4 to 8MB. That would be 22 8MB downloads if you can use at least 180MB out of those 256.

Originally Posted by VOOK:

My DSi had 63 blocks left with 22 DSiWare titles (including all the Art Style Games, Mr Driller, Moving Memo, most of the 500 point apps, Brain Training, a Clock, Calculator and the Web Browser. The menu itself had about 8 spare spots left.

If that's a problem, cry more.

Cool, thanks guys. I don't think I'll bother buying an SD card right away then.

ITA84 · (03-21-2009, 07:13 PM)

Originally Posted by Link Man:

Does the Opera Browser support Flash?

No, it doesn't.

DrForester · (03-21-2009, 07:20 PM)

probably been answered already but don't feel like going through thread.

What's the max SD card size? Google tells me 4gb, 8gb, and a few people saying it could handle 32gb.

Gamecocks625 · (03-21-2009, 07:41 PM)

Originally Posted by cw_sasuke:

I guess it`s true for US also.

1000 Points with DSi Purchase.

http://www.target.com/Nintendo-DSi-C...h=k:dsi&page=1

Great! I just read the link.

APZonerunner · (03-21-2009, 07:46 PM)

Originally Posted by Caesar III:

really? Source? I haven't read anything about this so far. This is great news.

I've opened a Euro model up, but I'm pretty sure it's on all the preorder sheets and stuff in GAME too last time I checked.