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neshcom
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(09-09-2015, 10:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by infiniteloop

Any word on if we have to rebuy games and apps or are they considered universal?

They can be universal if devs enable it.
killertofu
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(09-09-2015, 10:03 PM)
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Does this have media server capabilities ala Plex?

Edit:

Also does Siri integration search through ALL apps? The universal search on Roku is pretty choice
infiniteloop
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(09-09-2015, 10:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by neshcom

They can be universal if devs enable it.

Nice. Thanks.
Christopher
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(09-09-2015, 10:05 PM)
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Will they have software to update the new interface to old Apple TV?
PeakPointMatrix
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(09-09-2015, 10:06 PM)
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This won't support web browsing will it?
lachesis
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(09-09-2015, 10:10 PM)
Does anyone know if this supports VLC or similar & allow LAN streaming?
If so, I might consider getting rid of my WDTV Live...
jstripes
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(09-09-2015, 10:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by killertofu

Also does Siri integration search through ALL apps? The universal search on Roku is pretty choice

Not immediately, but they're aiming for it.

Originally Posted by PeakPointMatrix

This won't support web browsing will it?

If someone makes an app, maybe.

Originally Posted by lachesis

Does anyone know if this supports VLC or similar & allow LAN streaming?
If so, I might consider getting rid of my WDTV Live...

Someone might write an app, if network access APIs allow.
Party Smasher
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(09-09-2015, 10:18 PM)
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Originally Posted by Troy

No optical out means my headphones won't connect to it which means I'll be passing on this. Sick of Apple omitting ports people actually use.
Also can't believe it doesn't have a Safari browser.

Yeah, the lack of optical out is a bummer for me too.

Fire TV has one if you're interested.
borghe
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(09-09-2015, 10:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by wachie

My two gripes with this are
1. Lack of optical audio port
2. Why A8? Not even A8X? Come on ..

A8X is unnecessary driving 1080p.

Also 2000 called and is asking for its digital audio port back. If only we could get it replaced by one single digital connector that supports audio and video. Maybe even network and return channel audio. And was mature enough that it was cheap to include in any AV device being released.

Oh, wait...
dallow_bg
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(09-09-2015, 10:22 PM)
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So 4K next iteration?

With 4K on the latest phone it would have made a lot is sense here.
borghe
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(09-09-2015, 10:25 PM)
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Originally Posted by dallow_bg

So 4K next iteration?

I'm guessing now that Apple is raising this from "hobby" status, we'll see faster iterations. Lack of 4K now was likely lack of content vs. cost. So yeah, once content is widely available I'd guess a 4K upgrade will drop immediately.
Marty Chinn
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(09-09-2015, 10:27 PM)
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Originally Posted by borghe

I'm guessing now that Apple is raising this from "hobby" status, we'll see faster iterations. Lack of 4K now was likely lack of content vs. cost. So yeah, once content is widely available I'd guess a 4K upgrade will drop immediately.

But iPhones now shoot 4K video. You'd think they'd go hand in hand being all the talk of an Apple ecosystem.
Warm Machine
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(09-09-2015, 10:27 PM)
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Originally Posted by dallow_bg

So 4K next iteration?

With 4K on the latest phone it would have made a lot is sense here.

I'm guessing this Apple TV is a fresh market test for next years iteration which is likely going to have an A10 chip and will drive 4K.
jstripes
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(09-09-2015, 10:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by dallow_bg

So 4K next iteration?

With 4K on the latest phone it would have made a lot is sense here.

Probably.

Apple tends to wait until the dust has settled and the infrastructure is in place on certain tech.

The first iPhone didn't even have 3G. LTE came to iPhone later than Android. Etc.
ced
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(09-09-2015, 10:48 PM)
I need to replace a Roku LT, so soon as Plex has their app on it I'm there.
giga
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(09-09-2015, 11:06 PM)
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Nice.
Hasney
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(09-09-2015, 11:09 PM)
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EDIT: Wrong thread
Troy
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(09-09-2015, 11:11 PM)

Originally Posted by borghe

A8X is unnecessary driving 1080p.

Also 2000 called and is asking for its digital audio port back. If only we could get it replaced by one single digital connector that supports audio and video. Maybe even network and return channel audio. And was mature enough that it was cheap to include in any AV device being released.

Oh, wait...

I expect this type of response from Apple fans. It's complete and utter bullshit, but expected. PS4, Xbox One, Fire TV (I can go on and on) all released recently. All have optical out. Why? Because people use them. A lot of people use them.

Originally Posted by 404Ender

Navigating a browser with that remote would be a nightmare. Just Airplay it from your iPhone/iPad if you really want to browser the web on your TV.

Why would it be a nightmare? It has essentially a touchpad on it and supports voice input. Should be a breeze to navigate a browser on that.
Mindwipe
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(09-09-2015, 11:12 PM)
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The 200 MB storage limit is really to wreck this as a casual gaming platform.
Dalek
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(09-09-2015, 11:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by Mindwipe

The 200 MB storage limit is really to wreck this as a casual gaming platform.

What 200MB limit?
Brianimaniac
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(09-09-2015, 11:18 PM)
I don't want a $150 Apple TV, I want a refresh of the current one that's basically the same, but comes with a remote that isn't shit.
Naka
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(09-09-2015, 11:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by Dalek

What 200MB limit?

Resource Limitations

There is no persistent local storage for apps on Apple TV. This means that every app developed for the new Apple TV must be able to store data in iCloud and retrieve it in a way that provides a great customer experience.

Along with the lack of local storage, the maximum size of an Apple TV app is limited to 200MB. Anything beyond this size needs to be packaged and loaded using on-demand resources. Knowing how and when to load new assets while keeping your users engaged is critical to creating a successful app. For information on on-demand resources, see On-Demand Resources Guide.

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https://developer.apple.com/library/...15241-CH12-SW5
Dalek
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(09-09-2015, 11:23 PM)
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Originally Posted by Naka

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https://developer.apple.com/library/...15241-CH12-SW5

that's odd, considering the size of some of these iPad apps.
Marty Chinn
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(09-09-2015, 11:23 PM)
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Honest question. With a MacBook, iPhone, and iPad in front of you, is anyone seriously going to do online shopping through an Apple TV over those devices?
SMattera
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(09-09-2015, 11:28 PM)

Originally Posted by Riskington

I don't want a $150 Apple TV, I want a refresh of the current one that's basically the same, but comes with a remote that isn't shit.

Wait a year
Wellington
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(09-09-2015, 11:28 PM)
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I am interested in this performance wise. Call me crazy but I much prefer my Roku(s) to my Apple TV due to how slow, clunky, and damn near ineffective the thing is at times. I have had issues with the interface, streaming, and even airplay. I much prefer the Apple ecosystem so I am anxious to read reviews.
dallow_bg
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(09-09-2015, 11:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by Marty Chinn

Honest question. With a MacBook, iPhone, and iPad in front of you, is anyone seriously going to do online shopping through an Apple TV over those devices?

Never.
Dalek
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(09-09-2015, 11:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by dallow_bg

Never.

Aquavelvaman
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(09-09-2015, 11:35 PM)
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If plex works on it and gives better image quality than chromecast, I'll buy in.
ELAMOR
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(09-09-2015, 11:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by Dalek

Roberto Duran
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(09-09-2015, 11:49 PM)
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I'm still buying this thing day one. I've been looking for an upgrade for the current Apple TV for way too long and the 3rd party app store sold me. Sucks that it can't do 4K, but I don't have a 4K TV so I don't care right now.

Plex better be available.
Dalek
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(09-10-2015, 12:02 AM)
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Originally Posted by Roberto Duran

I'm still buying this thing day one. I've been looking for an upgrade for the current Apple TV for way too long and the 3rd party app store sold me. Sucks that it can't do 4K, but I don't have a 4K TV so I don't care right now.

Plex better be available.

Marty Chinn
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(09-10-2015, 12:06 AM)
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Jailbreak + Kodi + ability to link apps within Kodi = me buying four immediately.

It won't happen, but one can dream....
Warnen
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(09-10-2015, 12:13 AM)
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i use my apple tv for streaming, mostly crunchy roll and netflix. Been waiting for the Funimation app thats been coming soon for over a year now. Now that this ones out I assume it won't come out for older apple tv now so dunno if I get one or just plug my laptop in to my tv and skip the middle man.
giga
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(09-10-2015, 12:22 AM)
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Originally Posted by Mindwipe

The 200 MB storage limit is really to wreck this as a casual gaming platform.

I think it's to reduce to initial download/load times. You can definitely build apps greater than 200MB, you just have to split them into chunks so that they will be loaded on-demand, rather than all at once.
infiniteloop
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(09-10-2015, 12:27 AM)
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Pled have already tweeted about their interest in the platform. Would think it's coming soon after release.
ShowDog
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(09-10-2015, 12:40 AM)
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Originally Posted by infiniteloop

Pled have already tweeted about their interest in the platform. Would think it's coming soon after release.

Plex has a horrible track record on Apple devices, unfortunately. Supposedly it's a "new priority" but the new from scratch iOS app sucks.
404Ender
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(09-10-2015, 12:52 AM)
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Originally Posted by Troy

Why would it be a nightmare? It has essentially a touchpad on it and supports voice input. Should be a breeze to navigate a browser on that.

It's missing the most important component: a keyboard. I can't imagine trying to get Siri to figure out what URL I'm trying to tell her to go to, or jumping around and filling in form fields via voice. No thanks.

Maybe I can use my iPhone or iPad's keyboard like the current Apple TV, but at that point, why not just do it on the device itself?

Originally Posted by Marty Chinn

Honest question. With a MacBook, iPhone, and iPad in front of you, is anyone seriously going to do online shopping through an Apple TV over those devices?

Only if the experience on Apple TV is more streamlined than the equivalent website or iOS app, which is at least within the realm of possibility given the emphasis on voice.

Being able to say "Hey Siri, order more paper towels and laundry detergent" in an Amazon Echo-like way would be much better than reaching in my pocket, opening up the Amazon app, tapping through, etc.
chadskin
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(09-10-2015, 01:00 AM)
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Originally Posted by 404Ender

It's missing the most important component: a keyboard. I can't imagine trying to get Siri to figure out what URL I'm trying to tell her to go to, or jumping around and filling in form fields via voice. No thanks.



Would've been clever.
infiniteloop
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(09-10-2015, 01:03 AM)
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Originally Posted by ShowDog

Plex has a horrible track record on Apple devices, unfortunately. Supposedly it's a "new priority" but the new from scratch iOS app sucks.

Used plex with iPhones and iPads since it was repleased on the App Store. Not had any issues.
glow
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(09-10-2015, 01:10 AM)
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I'll buy it for the AirPlay mirroring but I really hope they allow an Amazon Instant Video app this time. Most of my digital purchases are through Amazon.
Marty Chinn
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(09-10-2015, 01:13 AM)
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Originally Posted by 404Ender

Only if the experience on Apple TV is more streamlined than the equivalent website or iOS app, which is at least within the realm of possibility given the emphasis on voice.

Being able to say "Hey Siri, order more paper towels and laundry detergent" in an Amazon Echo-like way would be much better than reaching in my pocket, opening up the Amazon app, tapping through, etc.

I was thinking more along the lines of what they demoed today. It felt forced and throwing it out there to see what sticks rather than having a real vision that people want to do that.
Enzom21
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(09-10-2015, 01:16 AM)
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Originally Posted by Marty Chinn

Jailbreak + Kodi + ability to link apps within Kodi = me buying four immediately.

It won't happen, but one can dream....

Might. The reason there was no jailbreak for the ATV3 was because no one cared. With an appstore and more people buying this model, maybe someone will care.
I hope it happens, I would love to use that new remote with Kodi.

Originally Posted by 404Ender

It's missing the most important component: a keyboard.

I'm sure it will let you use a bluetooth keyboard like the current model.

Originally Posted by glow

I'll buy it for the AirPlay mirroring but I really hope they allow an Amazon Instant Video app this time. Most of my digital purchases are through Amazon.

I am sure there will be an app from Amazon. I doubt Apple will restrict apps that are currently available.
Last edited by Enzom21; 09-10-2015 at 01:19 AM.
404Ender
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(09-10-2015, 01:30 AM)
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Originally Posted by Marty Chinn

I was thinking more along the lines of what they demoed today. It felt forced and throwing it out there to see what sticks rather than having a real vision that people want to do that.

Let's wait and see what app devs come up with in the first 6-12 months of the product and App Store being out there in the wild before we start jumping to conclusions about things like this.
borghe
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(09-10-2015, 03:30 AM)
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Originally Posted by Naka

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https://developer.apple.com/library/...15241-CH12-SW5

The 200MB limit is not accurate. Apple is pushing this across all platforms. The key is the on demand asset loading. The problem is that .app bundles have been universal. One bundle for iPhone AND iPad. Then they get huge, and have double assets, now triple assets, etc.

So what Apple is starting to push for is the 200MB primary .app bundle, and then loading the remaining resources as needed. So if you're on iPad, only loading the iPad resources. ATV only loading those resources, etc.

So no, there isn't a 200MB limit. As a dev you just have to manage your resources ESPECIALLY if you're releasing a universal app. The upside is a better user experience. Say a 900MB iPhone download instead of the previous 1.8GB universal download.
wachie
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(09-10-2015, 03:42 AM)
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Originally Posted by borghe

A8X is unnecessary driving 1080p.

Also 2000 called and is asking for its digital audio port back. If only we could get it replaced by one single digital connector that supports audio and video. Maybe even network and return channel audio. And was mature enough that it was cheap to include in any AV device being released.

Oh, wait...

2000 also called asking for its lack of appstore and inability to play games.

The A8X is unnecessary is pure rubbish talk.
borghe
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(09-10-2015, 03:54 AM)
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Originally Posted by wachie

2000 also called asking for its lack of appstore and inability to play games.

The A8X is unnecessary is pure rubbish talk.

Except that it has an AppStore and plays games. Not sure where you are going.

You also clearly don't understand how GPUs work. The higher clock speed and fill rate is needed on the iPad's because they are pushing 2048x1536. Literally more pixels thus they need a higher fill rate and throughput to keep up at 60fps. Throwing that at 1920x1080 isn't going to accomplish much really. In theory it would give faster frame rates except that Apple TV is still forced to 60Hz. So they'd bump up the processor to literally go unused for the most part.

This isn't PC land. Throwing in a better GPU doesn't magically give you 20fps more just because APIs on iOS just aren't coded that way. The iPad traditional gets the X processor because it NEEDS it to support 2048x1536 along with multi-tasking features. Not because apple wants games to run smoother on it (which for the most part they don't, in that they run on par with the iPhone versions just at a higher resolution which should be your first big clue right there.)
Marty Chinn
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(09-10-2015, 03:55 AM)
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Originally Posted by Enzom21

Might. The reason there was no jailbreak for the ATV3 was because no one cared. With an appstore and more people buying this model, maybe someone will care.
I hope it happens, I would love to use that new remote with Kodi.

I don't think it was because nobody cared. I remembered heavily following it and the problem was that it was a stripped down version of iOS which means it didn't have the exploits that were found on the iPhone/iPad. Hopefully since this is more developer based, those exploits will open up again. Still, even with a jailbroken ATV2, it didn't allow you to link Netflix inside of Kodi. So even if we got a jailbroken ATV with Kodi, the key point of having apps linkable inside Kodi seems doubtful to me. Hopefully I'm wrong.

Originally Posted by 404Ender

Let's wait and see what app devs come up with in the first 6-12 months of the product and App Store being out there in the wild before we start jumping to conclusions about things like this.

I think devs will find plenty of ways to utilize the ATV. I'm just focusing on the online shopping as demoed today. I really don't think this is something people will want to use to do their shopping when they have a MacBook, iPhone, and/or iPad laying around which will be much better suited for that task. It just seemed weird that Apple made it a big highlight of their conference. I don't know anyone who wants to shop that way nor do I see what you gain over the other means.
borghe
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(09-10-2015, 03:58 AM)
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Yeah I agree. The online shopping part (and Air B&B) seemed more a "oh and it's not just games and TV!!!!!" Pretty blatant. I have no doubt great apps will come out. But yeah, neither of those were that "great app".
DarkFlow
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(09-10-2015, 04:09 AM)
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Originally Posted by borghe

A8X is unnecessary driving 1080p.

Also 2000 called and is asking for its digital audio port back. If only we could get it replaced by one single digital connector that supports audio and video. Maybe even network and return channel audio. And was mature enough that it was cheap to include in any AV device being released.

Oh, wait...

Most audio add ons like sound bars and surround sound use optical audio.

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