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Wolfenstein II: The Last Hope
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Magic Mushroom
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Well, the exclusives from MS like Sunset Overdrive and Quantum Break bombed, while games like UC4, Bloodborne and Horizon sold really well. God of War and Spidey will sell, so I don't think Sony is going anywhere soon.
Yeah, and I'm glad because these are the kind of games that I end up loving, not a great multiplayer experience, but there may be a time were they don't sell as much as Sony may hope. I really don't know if it was Polyphony or Sony who made the decision to create GT Sport the way it is (a text book GaaS), but I'm sure it's a response for the declining sales or the franchise.
I've seen commercials on TV and before a movie in a theater for Wolfenstein. I saw fuckall for TEW2 by comparison.
Dunno, as someone who has been preferring single player experiences for a couple decades it feels like the panic over the death of the single player game has been ongoing for a long time now and has yet to materialize. How many of the top rated games of 2017 are single player experiences:
http://opencritic.com/browse?page=0&sort=score&platforms=[]&genres=[]&date=2017
30+ gamers with lots of expendable income represent a big chunk of the market for game sales, and a large percentage of that population are obviously still voting with their wallets on single player games. The fact that a few high profile games in some genres have done poorly doesn't mean much in the grand scheme, there are just as many massive multiplayer game flops over the same time period.
http://opencritic.com/browse?page=0&sort=score&platforms=[]&genres=[]&date=2017
30+ gamers with lots of expendable income represent a big chunk of the market for game sales, and a large percentage of that population are obviously still voting with their wallets on single player games. The fact that a few high profile games in some genres have done poorly doesn't mean much in the grand scheme, there are just as many massive multiplayer game flops over the same time period.
2blackcats
Member
This reminds me if everyone chasing the WoW money. Eventually pubs will realise that the market can't support too many of these games and "the inevitable march of Games As A Service" will slow down considerably.
Graphics Horse
Member
Is the new Metro game going to have lootboxes? 🤔
eso76
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UnluckyKate
Member
You know what, that's a great one, I really didn't remember that was coming 😅
polyh3dron
Banned
Yep. Publishers want to make the types of games that can make money even if theyre bad. Making exceptional games costs too much money.
See my first sentence. I don't think any of the third-party games you're listing have comparable budgets.
Brotherhood93
Member
Will wait for reviews, enjoyed the first game but probably wouldn't have been happy to pay full price for it. Since I'm going to be playing Assassin's Creed there's no need for me to pick it up day 1 either. I want it to do well to prove SP games can still thrive but that's not enough for me to rush out and get it.
The big ask is not always money. In the case of Mass Effect Andromeda they had a lot of money and they still fucked it up. Sometimes your talent simply isn't there and you miss the mark.
RedAssedApe
Banned
Huh? Arent Mario and assassins creed single player games too? Why is wolfenstein suddenly the last hope.
There have been plenty of single player games that have sold well this year. Or are you talking just Bethesda?
There have been plenty of single player games that have sold well this year. Or are you talking just Bethesda?
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
If you want more traditional no-frills single player games from Bethesda then I hope you bought Prey and Dishonored Death of the Outsider.
Both came out this year, are FANTASTIC games and can be bought for cheap.
Both came out this year, are FANTASTIC games and can be bought for cheap.
All of them bore me after a few hours. Infinite Warfare, Doom, Wolfenstein, CoD:MWR. Take your pick.
I do like a lot of multiplayer FPS though, it's just the predictability of the enemies in singleplayer that bores me.
More_Badass
Member
I'll be honest, looking throughout the history of shooters over the last decade or so, most shooters seem to be multiplayer focused or have single player and multiplayer; the ones that are totally single player seem rare as is.
Off the top of my head, shooters with notable or praised campaigns - Project Snowblind, Killzone 1, Doom 3, FEAR, Prey, Call of Juarez, The Darkness, Turok, Wolfenstein 2009, Far Cry 2, Brothers in Arms, Killzone 2, etc - all had multiplayer
STALKER and Crysis had multiplayer, even those weren't single player only shooters
Escape From Butcher Bay, Oddworld, Half-Life 2, BLACK, Bioshock, Mirror's Edge, Metro series were some of the rare shooters that were single player only
It seems like there's a notion that single player only shooters are a dying breed, where the reality seems like those kinds of shooters were always rare.
Off the top of my head, shooters with notable or praised campaigns - Project Snowblind, Killzone 1, Doom 3, FEAR, Prey, Call of Juarez, The Darkness, Turok, Wolfenstein 2009, Far Cry 2, Brothers in Arms, Killzone 2, etc - all had multiplayer
STALKER and Crysis had multiplayer, even those weren't single player only shooters
Escape From Butcher Bay, Oddworld, Half-Life 2, BLACK, Bioshock, Mirror's Edge, Metro series were some of the rare shooters that were single player only
It seems like there's a notion that single player only shooters are a dying breed, where the reality seems like those kinds of shooters were always rare.
RamaTheVoice
Member
Day one. I usually don't preorder, especially not with Bethesda (what with their review embargo policy and all), but I can't pass this up and want to show support for a talented studio making SP games.
I mean look at this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmy4WW8TqL8
You can kill Klansmen and giant humanoid Nazi robots for fuck's sake!
(I didn't know whether the launch trailer was worth posting a new thread about, even though it seems no-one is talking about it over here)
I mean look at this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmy4WW8TqL8
You can kill Klansmen and giant humanoid Nazi robots for fuck's sake!
(I didn't know whether the launch trailer was worth posting a new thread about, even though it seems no-one is talking about it over here)
ScientificPizza
Banned
I think after the TNO and DOOM single player shooters are going to be safe for a little while. At least from Bethesda anyway, which is okay because I really only care about MachineGames and id anyway
No there are more, and best yet, they will be out soon.
And I would not write off all games that have online elements as bad. Naughty Dog crafts incredible SP campaigns, but they also offer optional MP sections with some purchasable stuff. Nobody really expects that they will compromise SP campaign of TLOU2.
RedAssedApe
Banned
Most sane people dont take too much stock into user reviews. Its like last years cod getting YouTube dislikes yet people still buying the shit out of it.
N7 MRP Weasel
Banned
All they need now is a big old blood style DLC where you play as a native American and you go around scalping Nazis in like Wyoming or something at some outpost.
Day one, it's gonna do well and its gonna stir the pot
Day one, it's gonna do well and its gonna stir the pot
More_Badass
Member
What about stuff like Dishonored, Deus Ex, Metro, etc.? Those game you listed are all pretty focused on aggressive combat
Magic Mushroom
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From Software. <3
Well, Dishonored I like. FPStealth is cool. Deus Ex Rev I hated (controls sucked), Metro I hated fighting the monsters.
OrbitalBeard
Member
Plenty of single player games to look forward to in the future. So no, I wouldn't consider this game to be the last hope. Not even close.
Confused Cheeseburger
Member
Tbh the title was a little salicuous, I said as much myself. I was just trying to be evocative. I should be a little more obvious though, Wolf II is a type of SP game we rarely get. Yeah there are RPGs and Open World games, first party titles from Nintendo and Sony, but straight up action games free of BS like this are getting rarer, and as evidenced by shuttered studios and uncreasingly unscrupolous market practices, third party companies are seeing them as less viable. My concern is that Wolf II, if it fails, will be another example of low sales that somehow convinced the EAs of the world we simply don't want them anymore.
It's not that SP games will up and die, it's that only SP games with the least risk will live on, and games become stagnant.
rand0mZer0
Banned
I think it will be fine.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Most of them I wouldn't call them AAA games. Some of them are the perfect example of the remnants of the AA space.
Outside of first party game, single-player games are on their way out of the AAA space.
Messofanego
Banned
Yes, my dude! Lots of KKK folk to be killed in whatever fashion you like.
Yeah, playing it this year with all the DLC extras was pretty cathartic.
More_Badass
Member
AAA Single player only games, with no multiplayer or online features at all, have been relatively rare for the last 10+ years
Are we talking 100% completely single player games? Or are we talking games with a mainly single player focus?
Relaxed Muscle
Member
I'd say single player focus. Games like Doom has multiplayer elements but they are totally secondary to their SP modes.
(Dark Souls is one of a kind, for example, since it's SP mode is highly intrinsic to the MP component)
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
They don't care if it sells well. To them that's just short-term gain.
It's pretty thin on variety, so gameplay-wise it gets old pretty fast, even if the combat does feel pretty nice. But the story is top notch.
Because Mario and Xenoblade are not linear games, even uncharted is trying to branchout into hub areas and such. Also lost legacy is far from success, according to ******** it sold less than 1mill.
"Single player MMO PVE" games like Shadow of War, or Assassin's Creed are not going anywhere, but narrative linear experiences are pretty much done and Wolf II looks like the "last hope". If it doesn't sell well I'm not sure will see much of such games (if any), but if it is maybe we'll see some more.
Son Of Sparda
Member
I have this game pre-ordered and can't wait to play it. I really hope it sells well.
ioriyagami
Member
It is not about Single Player vs Multiplayer anymore (I guess is difficult to maintain that fad after Witcher 3, Zelda BOTW, Horizon, etc...). These days it is about Linear vs Open-world (apparently people already forgot Uncharted 4 is mostly played SP and did great just one year ago).
I think Wolfenstein II is going to do well (despite the fact that I am not buying it just yet -I have too many games in my backlog already, but I will buy later-) but I hope it will do GREAT so we can prove all those voices wrong.
Are there any new IP single player games recently that did well ? I know Horizon Zero Dawn is one.
I feel like unless you have recognizable brand, single player game needs to be exceptional to success.