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All through HDMI, is the optimal audio setting anyway, but a bit expensive.
I wonder if theyll have an option in the os for this? Def makes sense.
My receiver supports hdmi, but only for the picture. Sound will come through the HDMI cord, but for some reason only Dolby Pro II "fake" surround sound. Its slightly old, but I think even alot of modern ones are set up this way. Since optical is pretty standard for surround systems its a little disappointing Nintendo is overlooking this.
I sincerely hope the headphones are for all, not just pad, games. Thats what I assumed. And like I mentioned in a previous post, I hope they are making sure that it produces high quality sound through the headphones, cos that could be a key feature of the system.
I sincerely hope the headphones are for all, not just pad, games. Thats what I assumed. And like I mentioned in a previous post, I hope they are making sure that it produces high quality sound through the headphones, cos that could be a key feature of the system.
DeviousAngel
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I think just taking out the "hardware" part and calling it Wii U Debate Thread: Of FLOPS And Flippers would suffice.
Oh gosh the first thing I thought about was Fi's low battery jingle coming from 4 wii remotes in ghetto surround
Personally, I can't see it working as a substitute for surround sound, but it could be kinda cool as an alternative for games like Eternal Darkness. Place wiimotes around the house to hear creaking, footsteps, knocking, breathing, bugs, etc. You know, simple sounds.
I think just taking out the "hardware" part and calling it Wii U Debate Thread: Of FLOPS And Flippers would suffice.
Oh gosh the first thing I thought about was Fi's low battery jingle coming from 4 wii remotes in ghetto surround
Personally, I can't see it working as a substitute for surround sound, but it could be kinda cool as an alternative for games like Eternal Darkness. Place wiimotes around the house to hear creaking, footsteps, knocking, breathing, bugs, etc. You know, simple sounds.
those speakers are still to shitty for that.
Get a surround or 3D audio system instead
metalslimer
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I understand that. My post was not saying it wasn't an issue at all only that the idea that Nintendo was making a "big mistake" was probably an exaggeration when you actually get down to what percentage of people it effects. I still think both that and ethernet are pinny pinching moves that really shouldn't be implemented. Then again Nintendo isnt including an AC adapter with the 3DS so nothing really surprises me.
Dreamwriter
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That's only in older receivers, from the early days of HDMI. These days pretty much any receiver with HDMI should support full sound from the HDMI - in fact, it's required for the more advanced audio formats that Blu-Ray supports, because optical doesn't have the bandwidth to handle them.
It is odd that the Wii-U doesn't do optical though, it should be pretty cheap to add. One option for you, many TV's have HDMI-in, and optical out - you could do it that way if your TV has that option.
stupidvillager
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So with the new found knowledge that console flops are twice as good as regular flops and with epic saying UE4 gets interesting on GPUs over 1Tflops does that mean that the Wii U only needs a 500-600 Gflop gpu to run UE4 well?
DeviousAngel
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those speakers are still to shitty for that.
Get a surround or 3D audio system instead
Oh I already got that covered
I was just trying to be encouraging for the sake of conversation. And I applaud SquiddyBiscuit for trying to break up all the spec-talk a bit
Plus, his idea may not have been "good" but it was actually pretty clever in theory.
I tend to agree. The topics here are like the weather events: they come in cycles and if you don't like 'em, you can wait five minutes. I like how this is pretty much the de facto, one-stop-shopping Nintendo community thread, an isle of comfort in a landscape that can be not-so-comfortable.
ADANIEL1960
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From what i have seen there does not seem to be other vieo / audio connections other than HDMI. What if you do not have a TV with an HDMI connection? Is Nintendo really only going to cater to HD only?
I like that.
Really simple sounds like scratching sound of rats in your walls.
Or a marble being dropped on a hard floor.
Would be enough to add some immersion in a horror game.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Oh well, so much fore being Higgs-free. Bye-bye lightspeed.Nope, we've got proof of mass on the Wii-U
But it makes for such nice pointing!
Yea I really loved the Wind Waker-based combat with the rolling around and stuff. Made Link feel like a badass finally!
That's while why I love that Skyward Sword exists, I'd be totally fine with it being the only WM+/sword-puzzle game in the Zelda series. Skyward Sword's main focus seemed to be puzzles both environmental and combat-centered. The game always gave you a very specific thing to do and told you "here's this situation, deal with it" instead of "well, now go somewhere and find something to do (maaaaybe check out this area somewhere over there?)!" like in Ocarina of Time, for example.
In an ideal world, they would go back to the well (original The Legend of Zelda on NES) and do a modern take on that formula again. You start the game, someone goes "It's dangerous to go alone, take this!" and the rest is on YOU to discover. Skyrim (which basically is Zelda 1 but with more stats and dialog) but with Nintendo design philosophy and polish.
In addition to that, I'd prefer the concept of Majora's Mask and Link's Awakening in which Link is already a Made Man with a sharp blade on his back, knowing how to use it instead of the young boy who goes on The Hero's Journey to Discover The Power That Lies Within Him.
with love.
obviously.
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oh and here's small blast from the past that shows not much has changed seemingly:
IGN.com said:
sound familiar?
IGN.com said:
I guess if you switch the pros and cons here that sounds like where Wii U is going?
Legacy of Kain: Blood Omen 2 interview about the GCN version from 2002.
http://cube.ign.com/articles/377/377943p1.html
bonus bits:
IGN.com said:
MadeInBeats
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I'm not the most affluent tech buyer, but my TV has optical out and headphone jack on it. Seeing as the TV is the visual media hub, that makes sense, no? Wonder if most TVs in Japan have optical.
Software talk or not... here's something new:
Tantalus Media is working on a "unannounced Wii U port of an AAA project". According to this guy's Linkedln profile. He's a former employee from Blue Tongue, from you know de Blob.
Tantalus Media is working on a "unannounced Wii U port of an AAA project". According to this guy's Linkedln profile. He's a former employee from Blue Tongue, from you know de Blob.
Have seen a bit talk here about a Wii U GPU based on a HD 6xxx.
So maybe what I post now is old stuff but I still think it's a good summary.
It was posted on a page that I think is NOT banned here:
http://www.nintengen.com/
It says following:
As many of you know, just a few days ago I posted a story that confirmed that the specs of the Wii U dev kit that was leaked earlier last month were true. What maybe was not made clear enough in that post was that those specs were from a dev kit from late last year and some of the things were to change. It is nice though that we can at least confirm what developers were using at the time.
Now, some things have happened over the last few months while Nintendo has prepared the final dev kits to be mass produced for the Wii U. Back in March Nintendo signed a deal with Green Hills Software, the largest independent vendor of embedded software solutions. The Wii U will be using Green Hills Software's MULTI integrated development environment to maximum reliability, maximum performance, and minimum code size. You can read more about it at the link below:
Link to Green Hills Software Press Release
http://www.ghs.com/news/20120327_ESC_Nintendo_WiiU.html
Back in May of this year it was announced in a different press release from ALT Software that the first Embedded GPU from AMD to use Green Hills Software will be the AMD Radeon E6760.
Link to ALT Software Press Release
http://www.altsoftware.com/press-ne...gl-graphics-driver-architecture-embedded-syst
The older dev kit's for the Wii U were using GPU's that were basically the AMD Radeon 4850, which Nintendo was telling developers that the performance would be roughly equal to in the Wii U's final GPU. To put this into perspective though, the HD 4850 would have never been what the final Wii U GPU would be using anyway since it pulled between 130-240 watts of power consumption and was built on the 55nm process. Also, some of the features of the 4850 are already 4 years old with better and more efficient standards being used today (DirectX 11 for example). So where does the AMD Radeon E6760 fit in all this? Take a look at the specs of this GPU:
AMD Radeon HD E6760 Specs
http://www.em.avnet.com/en-us/desig...60-Embedded-Discrete-Graphics-Processors.aspx
The E6760 scores a 5870 in 3D Mark Vantage which is higher than the HD 4850 despite the card only running at 35 watts! Not to mention the 40nm size factor of the E6760 is exactly what Nintendo announced the size would be last year for the Wii U GPU. Now of course the final Wii U GPU will still be custom made with other features made specifically for the system, but it would make a lot of sense if the GPU ends up being heavily based on the E6760 especially with the power consumption being so low.
So is all of this just a strange coincidence or do we finally have a good idea of what GPU will be powering the Wii U?
Posted by Metaldave at 12:00 AM
So all in all credits for that to Metaldave
So maybe what I post now is old stuff but I still think it's a good summary.
It was posted on a page that I think is NOT banned here:
http://www.nintengen.com/
It says following:
As many of you know, just a few days ago I posted a story that confirmed that the specs of the Wii U dev kit that was leaked earlier last month were true. What maybe was not made clear enough in that post was that those specs were from a dev kit from late last year and some of the things were to change. It is nice though that we can at least confirm what developers were using at the time.
Now, some things have happened over the last few months while Nintendo has prepared the final dev kits to be mass produced for the Wii U. Back in March Nintendo signed a deal with Green Hills Software, the largest independent vendor of embedded software solutions. The Wii U will be using Green Hills Software's MULTI integrated development environment to maximum reliability, maximum performance, and minimum code size. You can read more about it at the link below:
Link to Green Hills Software Press Release
http://www.ghs.com/news/20120327_ESC_Nintendo_WiiU.html
Back in May of this year it was announced in a different press release from ALT Software that the first Embedded GPU from AMD to use Green Hills Software will be the AMD Radeon E6760.
Link to ALT Software Press Release
http://www.altsoftware.com/press-ne...gl-graphics-driver-architecture-embedded-syst
The older dev kit's for the Wii U were using GPU's that were basically the AMD Radeon 4850, which Nintendo was telling developers that the performance would be roughly equal to in the Wii U's final GPU. To put this into perspective though, the HD 4850 would have never been what the final Wii U GPU would be using anyway since it pulled between 130-240 watts of power consumption and was built on the 55nm process. Also, some of the features of the 4850 are already 4 years old with better and more efficient standards being used today (DirectX 11 for example). So where does the AMD Radeon E6760 fit in all this? Take a look at the specs of this GPU:
AMD Radeon HD E6760 Specs
http://www.em.avnet.com/en-us/desig...60-Embedded-Discrete-Graphics-Processors.aspx
The E6760 scores a 5870 in 3D Mark Vantage which is higher than the HD 4850 despite the card only running at 35 watts! Not to mention the 40nm size factor of the E6760 is exactly what Nintendo announced the size would be last year for the Wii U GPU. Now of course the final Wii U GPU will still be custom made with other features made specifically for the system, but it would make a lot of sense if the GPU ends up being heavily based on the E6760 especially with the power consumption being so low.
So is all of this just a strange coincidence or do we finally have a good idea of what GPU will be powering the Wii U?
Posted by Metaldave at 12:00 AM
So all in all credits for that to Metaldave
Nice find.
Never heard of them. Looked them up and.. meh.
DaSorcerer7
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Nice find.
MadeInBeats
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Think that's just expanded on from what BG and others were talking about yesterday. The guy who writes that blog keeps tabs on what's discussed on here... maybe even a member.
*Beaten.
*Beaten.
It was actually posted on Go Nintendo
And that site got it from us, we discovered and posted this first.
de Blob would be interesting but I heavily doubt it's that. It's impossible to predict because they could be hired by many different publishers for porting.
http://www.engineeringtv.com/video/AMD-Radeon-E6760-Embedded-GPU-O
Here's a video discussion about the E6760 Embedded GPU that may offer a little more insight into why this may be a good fit for the WiiU. Maybe one of the more tech minded posters here can glean something from this.
Here's a video discussion about the E6760 Embedded GPU that may offer a little more insight into why this may be a good fit for the WiiU. Maybe one of the more tech minded posters here can glean something from this.
PuppetSlave
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So the immediate stupid question that pops up in my head is what score would xbox 360 gpu get?
I actually googled it but did not really find anything concrete.
Then I'm sorry that I've posted it haven't seen that one from BG...
I dont think that you can compare it that easy if its an old result of a 3D Mark test.
the X360 GPU would have to run the same new 3D Mark test (with all features) like the new GPU then you will finally see that the new GPU can do actual tasks better.
e.g. if u take 3D Mark results from 2008/9 from the HD4850 then it has 7000+ ...
But I doubt that on an actual 3D Mark version it would achieve such high numbers.
U de Blob confirmed
I hope people dont think that the de Blob is a AAA title.
What does that mean exactly?
(interesting)Speculation about the based Wii U GPU, before customization.
It means that if the WiiU GPU uses this as a base, it could have somewhere in the neighborhood of 576 GFLOPs, which according to some gets doubled when you put it in a console, so effectively makes it 1152 GFLOPs and above the 1 TFLOP marker for UE4 to 'get interesting.'
If you read the spec sheet of the GPU then its sounds very much like the kind of GPU we would expect in the WiiU. Power draw looks about right. The GFLOPS is pretty much bang on the estimates people have made as well. With a tweak here and there it probably is the GPU that forms the base.
...and it means that WiiU has a very modern GPU (yes it is cos its released beginning 2012)
and it has all the modern features needed by some engines to run...
at least I dont think they are a banned site here (I've not seen something hinting about that)
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
Nice!
I hope they add skeletal animation to the individual Pikmin for the new game.
Grampa Simpson
Banned
Option 4. We kick USC out of the thread.
I vote for this.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
So people know, I'd be behind something like this. I don't think it's about splintering the community or anything, but instead designating Wii U discussion between software and hardware.
Fact of the matter is, we're seeing a lot of discussion about the Wii U's hardware, moreso than anything else. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it does tend to dominate the thread. Curiously, there appears to be more hot debating and discussion going on about the Wii U's guts than there was the 3DS, Vita or any console in recent memory.
Nintendo is pretty quiet about software for the moment, but I wouldn't be opposed to a Wii U software general, which instead focuses on announced/confirmed/rumoured software and ways in which these games will be played. It would allow people perhaps a little intimidated by the hardware focused discussion to share thoughts, ask questions, and maybe offer impressions from the Wii U Nintendo tour thing.
Jaded Alyx
Member
Random question:
I don't own a PS3 or 360, so sorry if this is a stupid question, but can you email a PS3/360 owner and have them receive it on their system like you can with the Wii?
I don't own a PS3 or 360, so sorry if this is a stupid question, but can you email a PS3/360 owner and have them receive it on their system like you can with the Wii?
I personally do not think a new software thread is needed. This one already moves slow enough as it is.
Frankly, the reason there is so much hardware discussion is because there hasn't really been anything new software wise since E3.
I think as we get closer and closer to launch things will even out again.
Frankly, the reason there is so much hardware discussion is because there hasn't really been anything new software wise since E3.
I think as we get closer and closer to launch things will even out again.
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