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Marvel's The Defenders |OT| Featuring The Worst Iron Fist - August 18th on Netflix
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I'm a marvel fanboy with low taste and even I thought Iron Fist was meh.
Seems more like
Daredevil S1, Luke Cage P1, and DD S2 P1.
Jessica Jones seemed to be alright.
Iron First, DD S2 P2, and LC P2 were shit.
Septimus Prime
Member
I enjoyed everything but Iron Fist. Luke Cage and Jessica Jones did drag a bit, and DD S2 want as good as S1, but they were still mediocre at worst.
Iron Fist was just ass. It was like Arrow season 4, but somehow it was even worse.
Only thing that annoyed me was the siblings, but I do agree that Kilgrave got away a few too many times. Still, very gripping.
Yea, I don't know what to expect myself...
Yea, at least Arrow has Oliver and Thea, meanwhile Danny is just not likable at all.
Crankshaft
Member
I'm watching DD s1 now and I already want a S3. Reading these comments about S2 is worrying me though.
Wait...are you listing Oliver as a positive? Oh no...no, no, no, no.....When Arrow is good, it's good in spite of the black hole of personality that is Oliver. It's bad enough that he's written so horribly, then the plot constantly has him being an asshole for no real reason, and, I'm sorry, Amell is a great guy, among the best in TV Land, but he just can't act...or maybe every director on the show gives him the same direction of "don't look at your fellow actors, but instead stare off into the middle distance".
Nah, DD S2 is fine, worst case scenario it will always have those amazing fight scenes, and the Punisher was great. Also something happens in S2 that leaves you very interested in what S3 will bring.
I'm saying S4 was bad, but Oliver and Thea compares favorably to Danny (He's the new low bar alongside Barry) so it barely wins out, I'm not saying I think he did an amazing performance or anything lol
That said, he was okay in S5.
Watch Arrow season 1, it's a better Iron Fist than show than Iron Fist. Yes I know about when the Arrow Reddit became A daredevil subreddit whenAreow was shit.
BronsonLee
Member
Arrow is better than Daredevil because Ollie isn't a lil' bitch and has no problem icing fools at first
SchrodingerC
Member
I applaud the title, OddOne.
Maybe this show will make Danny likable, and his fights aren't just a bunch of editing cuts.
Maybe this show will make Danny likable, and his fights aren't just a bunch of editing cuts.
I started watching it finally tonight. It's not bad so far. Seems like typical GAF hyperbole. Everything is either amazing or shit. Nothing can just be decent.
Well, so far, I'd say Iron Fist is decent. I'll update as I get through it.
Elegant Weapon
Member
I just rewatched Luke Cage. It's so fucking campy, I love. There are episodes named "DWYCK" and "You Know My Steez"
"Lemonade is a popular drink" and "It still is" are actual pieces of dialog from the show.
Diamondback is so ridiculous, one my favorite MCU villains by far
"Lemonade is a popular drink" and "It still is" are actual pieces of dialog from the show.
Diamondback is so ridiculous, one my favorite MCU villains by far
SargerusBR
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Wag
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Entitled, rich, douchebag, hipster Millenial does entitled, rich, douchebag, hipster Millenial things.
I keep seeing people write off the criticism as hyperbole, ignoring that the reviews savaged tf out of Iron Fist when it came out, and the first show of the Netflix bunch to get such a poor reception.
Frankly, if it wasn't attached to Defenders (and after watching it, it wasn't really necessary tbh), I wouldn't have bothered. It's not even something to hate watch for me, where it's so bad that it's good. It was aggressively boring.
I'm by no means dismissing criticism, just saying it isn't garbage, at least not yet. We'll see how I feel later.
My early criticism: It's the weakest premise of the four shows, so it's got an uphill battle from the jump. I know Iron Fist has some comic fans but I've never been a fan.
And with all that, I still don't think it's garbage yet. But there's time!
Lucky Seven
Banned
C'mon it'll be FIIIINE. It'll be just fine.
It can't be after all this time,
right?
right?
metalslimer
Member
I was so hyped for this before the end of luke cage and iron fist.
I'll be so happy if this is legit good
I'll be so happy if this is legit good
I liked it as a binge show
Septimus Prime
Member
I'm not sure where you are, but I got through about two and a half episodes before I just couldn't stand it anymore. None of the characters are remotely likable, nor do they act or talk in a way that makes sense.
I'm way behind and just started Iron Fist-but maybe it was all the negativity but I'm not finding it THAT bad. It's not a bad show per se, but it's a disappointment as IRON FIST show.
Just_myles
Member
For real iron fist got me shook. His presence is concerning.
StopMakingSense
Member
Some of the characters have GREAT arcs
Well, mostly just Ward, but still I love his whole thing
Also, Ward gif is the best Netflix Marvel gif, so it's got that going for it.
BlazinSkatinAxel
Member
Does this have Turk in it?
DustyVonEric
Member
Loved DD.
Loved the first half of LC.
Thought JJ was meh, but Purple Man was always a creepy ass villain and probably the best villain, after Wilson Fisk and Cottonmouth.
I really, REALLY wanted to like IF. He's one of my favorites. A kick ass ninja with super powers, best friend of Luke Cage, with great source material should have been easy. And somehow they messed it up.
Hopefully Defenders is fun and can redeem IF as well.
Heck. If it's good, I'd be in favor of scrapping all of the separate shows (except DD), and just keeping Defenders. Combining LC, JJ, and IF, or at least LC and IF, makes sense for their characters anyways.
Anyways, I can't wait to see Sigourney do her thing.
Loved the first half of LC.
Thought JJ was meh, but Purple Man was always a creepy ass villain and probably the best villain, after Wilson Fisk and Cottonmouth.
I really, REALLY wanted to like IF. He's one of my favorites. A kick ass ninja with super powers, best friend of Luke Cage, with great source material should have been easy. And somehow they messed it up.
Hopefully Defenders is fun and can redeem IF as well.
Heck. If it's good, I'd be in favor of scrapping all of the separate shows (except DD), and just keeping Defenders. Combining LC, JJ, and IF, or at least LC and IF, makes sense for their characters anyways.
Anyways, I can't wait to see Sigourney do her thing.
Man, I'm pretty excited for this, but tbh, Luke Cage, JJ, and Iron Fist killed some of my hype lol.
Daredevil, both seasons, were really solid. Great action, solid acting, and dragged at parts but it was still a solid show.
Jessica Jones had some great acting, Purple Man was a great villain. So god damn good. But I just felt like the show kept running in circles. And some of the side characters were so bad. The series should've been half the length.
Luke Cage. Man, the first 6 episodes were so good. And then idk what happened, it just got so bad. Should've ended at 6.
Iron Fist. This was basically a very mediocre version of Daredevil. The plot had some pretty big holes/shit that made no sense, Finn Jones did a eh job overall, action scenes were kinda iffy, etc. Overall it was alright, but not something I would recommend, and ultimately I felt it didn't reach close to it's potential.
Daredevil, both seasons, were really solid. Great action, solid acting, and dragged at parts but it was still a solid show.
Jessica Jones had some great acting, Purple Man was a great villain. So god damn good. But I just felt like the show kept running in circles. And some of the side characters were so bad. The series should've been half the length.
Luke Cage. Man, the first 6 episodes were so good. And then idk what happened, it just got so bad. Should've ended at 6.
Iron Fist. This was basically a very mediocre version of Daredevil. The plot had some pretty big holes/shit that made no sense, Finn Jones did a eh job overall, action scenes were kinda iffy, etc. Overall it was alright, but not something I would recommend, and ultimately I felt it didn't reach close to it's potential.
Well, that's an opinion.
I really have no expectations for this. I want it to turn out well but after IF and the 2nd half of Luke Cage, I'm pretty down on Netflix Marvel shows until Punisher drops.
Oh man...come on guys, perk up! The reviews for this have been generally been positive so far! I doubt this is going to be another Iron Fist situation!
Here's a summary of the show to bring you up to speed. Major spoilers ahead!
Black Republican
Member
in the 2nd Defenders trailer i already like Danny Rand more than his own show lol
FutureLarking
Member
If you somehow made it through the tedium of Luke Cage, Iron Fist is a god send. It's not winning any awards, but it's more watchable than Luke Cage.
RedAssedApe
Banned
seems like danny has a bit more personality in this? also looks better in fight scenes but its hard to tell from trailers as they can cherrypick and do a lot of jump cuts
hope to be pleasantly surprised since people have kind of been pretty down on Netflix Marvel since Ironfist
hope to be pleasantly surprised since people have kind of been pretty down on Netflix Marvel since Ironfist
Elegant Weapon
Member
I don't trust people who say Iron Fist is better or more watchable than Luke Cage
taste is subjective and all but no, fucking no
taste is subjective and all but no, fucking no
This. Like even if you found the entirety of Luke Cage to be boring af, Iron Fist is not gonna be any better lmao, so I would just skip it if you dislike LC.
FutureLarking
Member
Evidently I don't agree with this - the supporting cast and their stories in Iron Fist were far more interesting and in depth than Luke Cages, and both shows have different pacing and tones. Cottonmouth was played well but amounted to absolutely nothing. It's very possible to be bored by Luke Cage and enjoy Iron Fist
Though either way original poster should check it out for themselves, living off other peoples internet opinions isn't exactly the best way to go.
Elegant Weapon
Member
Iron Fist doesn't even have a tone, it's just there. Fake ass boardroom drama shit. No characters on IF are as engaging as Misty Knight. The entire season of IF amounted to nothing but proving why Danny shouldn't be Iron Fist, wtf is that? Why write it that way? Iron Fist is the epitome of telling instead of showing. How many times do they tell us about Kunlun without showing it? Damn near every time. Iron Fist is bad with very few redeemable qualities.
I totally understand why people who say SJW un-ironically would be "bored" by Luke Cage but "enjoy" Iron Fist but objectively one show has exceptional qualities to speak of and the other show just doesn't.
CloudyTuba
Member
Damn what great timing for this to release later this week, I had no idea until running across this thread. I'm horribly behind on television but the past week or so, my girlfriend has been out of the country and my best friend out of state, so I've had more time on my hands than usual.
I watched Dardevil S1 when it was released but I finally finished off Daredevil Season 2 tonight and I'm craving more. Perfect timing. Except that everyone gets back this week and I'll be out of state this weekend so I probably won't watch Defenders for a couple weeks.
I've loved just about everything about Daredevil, and Jessica Jones was at least worth it for the amazing villain it had, but every scene with Luke Cage in it was like a charisma black hole so I'm not at all interested in his standalone series. And with what I'm hearing about Iron Fist, that's getting a skip, too. Especially considering any clip I see of that character is not appealing at all.
This will hopefully at the very least be a hearty snack to keep me satisfied until Punisher's standalone, who I also enjoyed very much in DD.
DD so good he deserves to make a cameo in a movie. I'd love it if he teamed up with Spidey against Kingpin.
I watched Dardevil S1 when it was released but I finally finished off Daredevil Season 2 tonight and I'm craving more. Perfect timing. Except that everyone gets back this week and I'll be out of state this weekend so I probably won't watch Defenders for a couple weeks.
I've loved just about everything about Daredevil, and Jessica Jones was at least worth it for the amazing villain it had, but every scene with Luke Cage in it was like a charisma black hole so I'm not at all interested in his standalone series. And with what I'm hearing about Iron Fist, that's getting a skip, too. Especially considering any clip I see of that character is not appealing at all.
This will hopefully at the very least be a hearty snack to keep me satisfied until Punisher's standalone, who I also enjoyed very much in DD.
DD so good he deserves to make a cameo in a movie. I'd love it if he teamed up with Spidey against Kingpin.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
A fitting birthday present.
21st century cowboy
Member
Slummung it through Iron fist at the moment and it does get (a bit) better after the break out from the hospital but just got to the fight with bride of the nine spiders and the dialogue and Danny's actions with the person is so cringy and also is out of character and makes no sense. There are slivers of Danny that resonated with me from the Matt Fraction run. His light heartedness, neivety and moral compass are there but not enough. Also I don't mind the guy who blames. He does the best of a bad job
And people say there are no wrong opinions...
There are a couple episodes that I think are actually pretty good in Iron Fist, starting with Episode 10. But man, everything before that just made me angry. Literally the only highlight before that is Claire excitedly packing up all the Chinese take-out for herself. It's that fucking low of a bar.
I like basically everything in the MCU to at least some degree, even the more forgettable entries in the franchise, because even those are generally entertaining to watch once.
Iron Fist was literally not worth watching at all.