Well September 13th is before TGS, so yeah there'll at least be the thing in NY. Whether they have a Nintendo Direct or something too we don't know. The last one was announced like a day ahead. If there is something online only I'm guessing they'll just mention it at the conference.
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Wii U Thread - Now in HD!
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bgassassin
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It's plausible that happened in between demo version, though it could have just been them cleaning it up some more.
As for faith, I can only say I hope that common sense prevailed which is what seemed to be indicated to me.
Here's another nugget I got when I asked about the tessellation unit back in Jan. 2012, though nothing specific about the tess unit.
I agree that depending on the clock, DDR3 would win out for Nintendo. The latency for GDDR5 would likely be very bad at 500Mhz.
Must the two memory options for the Wii U be DDR3 or GDDR5? historically speaking Nintendo does make use of exotic memory options like Rambus's RDRAM on the N64 or the 3DS's FCRAM from Fujitsu.
snowdog1971
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You've also got to take the density of each into account. The higher density of DDR3 means they can squeeze 512MB onto a chip rather than the 256MB they would be stuck with for GDDR5. And unless the density of GDDR5 doubles before the PS4 and especially the 720 are released we may see them both also using DDR3. 2-4GB for the PS4 would mean 8-16 chips of GDDR5 and 6-8GB for the 720 would mean a ridiculous 24-32 chips of GDDR5.
I guess split pools is a possibility but then it's going to be more of a pain in the arse to develop for, developers love unified RAM for good reason.
Unless both Sony and Microsoft are going to 3D stack it..? But then that's going to raise the BOM for them by a fair old chunk, unless I'm mistaken..? Not too clued up on that process tbh.
I guess split pools is a possibility but then it's going to be more of a pain in the arse to develop for, developers love unified RAM for good reason.
Unless both Sony and Microsoft are going to 3D stack it..? But then that's going to raise the BOM for them by a fair old chunk, unless I'm mistaken..? Not too clued up on that process tbh.
bgassassin
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Like snow said, density is an issue. Now that we are talking about consoles needing 1+GB of memory, exotic options are way less likely. Four DDR3 chips (for 2GB) will be way cheaper than eight GDDR5 chips.
What about XDR2 from Rambus? will it be a good option? How does its density compare to DDR3 and GDDR5?
bgassassin
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As far as I'm concerned it doesn't exist and not worth discussion for the next consoles.
Interesting...I just think that it might be so "like Nintendo" to go for something a little less conventional like they did with the 3DS.
snowdog1971
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As Bgassassin has said it doesn't exist. It was designed by Rambus years ago and none of the memory manufacturers are going anywhere near it as far as I know.
bgassassin
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I'm sure if there was something with a large enough density, that would also be affordable, they would look at it.
Yeah I don't think it ever made it past "being on paper".
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
If anyone believed that Destructoid article, Ken Levine's twitter directly states that Bioshock Infinite has not been announced for Wii U.
https://twitter.com/IGLevine/status/244643423804596224
https://twitter.com/IGLevine/status/244643423804596224
chertipros
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Key word "announced"
I wonder if the whole bioshock, Borderlands, and GTAV situations are is more 2k's fault then that of the developers since randy pitchford and ken levine have both showed interest in the wii u
Key word "announced"
I wonder if the whole bioshock, Borderlands, and GTAV situations are is more 2k's fault then that of the developers since randy pitchford and ken levine have both showed interest in the wii u
According to Gearbox Studios:
What does "hurts consoles rep and bad for 3rd parties mean"? Is that in reference to the long term and issues with representing the console as next gen?
Wonder why he specifically mentions resolution and textures. Is there something in the design that makes implementation of either of those things less demanding than the current way they're done? I guess what I'm asking is if Nintendo has designed the console with a performance shortcut.
So we know what we need to do, right? Buy Aliens on Wii U!
I intended to anyways. The idea of the screen acting like it did in the movies = win.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
It's confusing but I think it was a Twitter user that tweeted him that as a result of the Destructoid article. Ken Levine appears to have just replied with "No Wii U version confirmed."
EDIT: Just checked and it appears the Twitter user in question is the writer of the Destructoid article in the first place....
This screams "WiiU on par with PS360" to me.
What Nintendo Direct? Nintendo has a Wii U media event on Sept 13 at 10am Eastern. No word if there will be a live-stream, yet.
shinra-bansho
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Someone more tech-savvy can correct me, but I believe the >2x RAM available for games would be of use for textures and more eDRAM will provide "free AA" at HD resolutions?
lordfroakie
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bgassassin
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The shortcut is more memory (both system and eDRAM) and better hardware.
I'm on this bandwagon on all accounts.
The radar thing sold me on the Wii U version instantly.
No. Nintendo and AMD spent more than two years figuring out how to down-clock an 4670M that will ship at 55nm, every non Nin*** knows that.
How do you figure that?
Afro Gunsou
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Because he wants the Wii U to fail.
Zoramon089
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I'm not sure how you could interpret that statement that way...at all really
Initial tweet doesnt even make any sense. How would bringing the game to an additional console somehow hurt sales.
Resolution and textures just means more GPU RAM, better specs should be something like model detail, polygon count, effects, tesselation..... But anyway, just speculation at this point
Dreamwriter
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You mean this? "RT @TronKnotts: ports to the Wii U will hurt the consoles rep and 3rd parties sales" - what he's saying is, if the Wii U only gets tons of ports, it will hurt the console's reputation, which in turn will hurt 3rd party game sales. And Levine is responding by saying that no port has been announced.
chertipros
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Explain please?
bgassassin
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What? DO you expect higher detailed models? None does that even for the PC port...
JordanN
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Best part about that is Gearbox/Pitchford already said Wii U is more powerful so for them to go back and say "it's on par" would make shit all sense.
But logic is becoming more and more scarce apparently.
As far as I know models are always made more detailed by the modellers, and then optimized for the consoles / PC.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Looks like cyberheater has competition.
You know you goof'd up big if bg is using "XD" as a response to your post.
Pitchford never really makes statements in comparison to how powerful the system is. He'll say the CPU is "really great" or something like that, but it could still be comparable to current gen. He might say the system is more powerful, but he's careful not to say its THAT much more powerful torshavn current consoles.
Yes, and the PC and consoles share the same ones. Even the textures are mostly the same except in exceptional cases like Crysis 2 with a post launch patch.
bgassassin
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Right on cue.
Actualy, Aliens: Colonial Marines is being published by Sega so 2K Games has nothing to do with that. As for 2K Games itself, the publisher had an interview with Game Industry International just last month.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articl...&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=european-daily
ArcaneJoker
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Ahhh, so no change in how much of a performance hit it takes to implement, just more wiggle room to do it the same way as usual. Meh, almost makes it not worth mentioning, then.The shortcut is more memory (both system and eDRAM) and better hardware.
He's attracted to the scent of hardware talk, I swear. I take the blame for this one, guys, my bad.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Well, he's not exactly wrong, even if his spin is typically cynical. Pitchford is like any CEO, face of a company. When he talks about internal projects he uses buzz words and marketing dribble that makes everything look good, as it's not in his nor anybody else's interest to do otherwise. He's knowledgeable in all the right areas, but his choice of wording is too unspecific to really derive anything of substance.
What else is there to talk about? Batman Armored Edition? lol
bgassassin
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I wouldn't go that far. He's telling us that for a multi-plat game they are actually going to utilize what Wii U can provide over PS360 instead of just a straight port.
Haha. Only when it can be used to keep Wii U in line with current gen.
Not about him being right or wrong. It's about him only coming in to discuss that specific subject when we cycle through all types of topics. He's free to do it, but he's become too predictable when it comes to posting here.
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