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Star Fox 2: Dreaming the Impossible Dream
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Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
More like 20.
Marty Chinn
Member
I want that! I want that badly!
TheMoon
Member
which we knew from the multiple year-old interview I linked on page 1 already
why would a QA'd and polished version not be an improvement?
what's with all the maybes and hopefullys here. this is one of the most certain things going on in life right now
Why would Cuthbert have any desire to "appeasing" Nintendo? With a lie that would have been found out shortly thereafter by players? Why do we need the conspiracy?
That's why Mother 3 GBA will never see a localized release. But a 3DS/Switch remake they can sell at full-price will.
Project Zero 4 and A.S.H. should be next, as they are also localised.
"The game got cancelled, now we'll show them. Let's make everything worse and put in new bugs."
why would a QA'd and polished version not be an improvement?
what's with all the maybes and hopefullys here. this is one of the most certain things going on in life right now
"The game got cancelled, now we'll show them. Let's make everything worse and put in new bugs."
Let it happen, PLEASE.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I probably will be in the market for a StarFox 2 repro cart, assuming they extract the final version rom from the classic mini.
I'm buying a US and Japanese mini anyway... but I'd love to play it on original hardware.
I'm buying a US and Japanese mini anyway... but I'd love to play it on original hardware.
TheMoon
Member
He's also said the final version has a system where it gives you a unique set of missions each time you play.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I played through the leaked rom a few years ago, and I liked but didn't love the game.
Sounds like the final version is different enough for a re-apprasal.
-shadow-
Member
Problem here is that the game still potentially has the game crashing bugs, which I don't see Nintendo putting up with. Even if most are easily avoided. The problem is the potential freeze regardless of what you're doing. Happened the first time for me in the first ten minutes. Though I'd love it if they'd fix those and just release the localisation...
Marty Chinn
Member
Wouldn't a repro cart be problematic because of the SFX chip?
TheMoon
Member
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
It is... because they have to cannibalize an actual SuperFX cart to make it. Good bye one copy of Stunt Race FX from the world ;_;
StarFox 2 repro carts have already been a thing for years, based on the leaked prototype.
TheMoon
Member
Of course not. That was never finished. Also of course not localized. Either of these you mentioned. They're releasing stuff they have just sitting there completely finished.
More like Winter Gold or Doom because those have Super FX 2 while Stunt Race FX has the first revision.
It's more likely a (half?) translated Sin & Punishment.
LuigiBlood
Member
In all honesty there are three SuperFX chips:
- MARIO chip, only used in Star Fox 1.
- GSU1, which is actually compatible with Star Fox 2 without any impact on performance.
- GSU2, same as GSU1 but allows ROMs that are more than 1MB (which Star Fox 2 is 1MB).
This video shows it well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgInD9vAZcM
- MARIO chip, only used in Star Fox 1.
- GSU1, which is actually compatible with Star Fox 2 without any impact on performance.
- GSU2, same as GSU1 but allows ROMs that are more than 1MB (which Star Fox 2 is 1MB).
This video shows it well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgInD9vAZcM
Little Monser
Banned
Whoa!!!!! WANT
Maybe with the 64Mini we might get that unreleased Zelda game that was originally made for the 64DD
Ah thank you for the clarification.
Spring-Loaded
Member
Are Fay and Miyu considered new characters, or old ones? They look cool in the cover art.
Fox looks weird though
Fox looks weird though
canonically new but elements of them were re-used for Bill and Kat in SF64
TheListOfToddicho
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my honest hope for this is that game is so good that people will start demanding Star Fox for Switch, and that Nintendo facilitates.
After what happened with Zero, we NEED an original Star Fox game. One that goes back to the roots of the series and makes it glorious...and has online play!!!
After what happened with Zero, we NEED an original Star Fox game. One that goes back to the roots of the series and makes it glorious...and has online play!!!
It's got a sequel on DSiWare called X-Scape though that's really good.
TheMoon
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stan423321
Member
Hm, that's weird. For some reason I was convinced GSU-2 was faster. I guess formatting of Super FX section of nocash's docs is super confusing.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Ah, good to know. Lord knows we wouldn't sacrifice a Yoshi's Island.
-shadow-
Member
Ah, I love your way of thinking good sir! 😍Not really a problem since they need to go in for the HD remastering anyway
Wasn't this just reworked into Majora's Mask once it was clean the DD was never going to be a thing? I remember Miyamoto stating something like that, but might be remembering incorrectly...Little Monser;242045739 said:
stan423321
Member
In all seriou-SNES I imagine it went like this:
"We shouldn't release Star Fox 2. It will make Ultra 64 sell less."
"I see. Shall we cancel it, then?"
"How close to completion is it?"
"Two months?"
"And what happens to Argonaut contract if we cancel the development?"
"Over 9000 Bison bucks?"
"What if we finish it up and not release it?"
"Contract is fulfilled?"
"You know what to do."
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
The 64DD Ura Zelda was released as Zelda: Master Quest.
SuperLeviathan
Member
He wants to continue working with them on Star Fox. Saying the leaked prototype is virtually finished would rouse curiosity and ecourage downloads and jeparodize that.
If the gold master is just the prototype with less bugs, that would be disappointing in light of Cuthbert saying that major gameplay elements are missing.
stan423321
Member
Again, no, that's gross oversimplification of the subject. Overwatch isn't Titan, Mother 3 isn't EarthBound 64, and Master Quest isn't 64DD Zelda.
Spring-Loaded
Member
Huh, interesting. I don't see many similarities, but I haven't played/watched through SF2.
Bruh, there's been fan art of those two for ages, probably since the game was announced.
Spring-Loaded
Member
double post
Compsiox
Banned
I don't believe Geoff would make it a contender.
If he were to it would definitely get even more people to watch the award show though.
SuperLeviathan
Member
That's what is meant by Rogue-like.
The beta as it exists does not have that. If the missions and encounters of each playthrough are randomized and different every time, then that's going to yield a VERY different kind of game from the beta, especially if there are encounters that only occur in the gold master.
Cuthbert is a lot less grandiose about this in the newest IGN interview than he was in the older Nintendolife article, only saying that the final master has more QA. We shall see in September.
Dylan here - the IGN interview and others were just quick Q&As the day of the announcement.
I wasn't saying it just has more QA - more that it has all the final polish applied and all the features enabled, a lot of that comes from the way Mario Club works - it isn't just testing for bugs, they have a very thorough feedback loop and major changes and tweaks are made to the game.
MrCunningham
Member
Hey Dylan, thanks for the clarification! So the gameplay will be quite a bit different from what the leaked/ modified betas have? I have a feeling that Nintendo goes through a pretty big final stage where they tweak gameplay elements until it plays right.
Can't wait to see "what could have been". But then again, Star Fox 2 probably would have been buried under the release of the PS1 and even the Sega Saturn to a lesser extent. Sega even had their horrible 32x out on the market around the same time frame. The SNES was pretty outclassed when it came to 3D. But Yoshi's Island still made some really good use of the SFX2 chip. Doom was neat as well. Shame about Comanche and Star Fox 2... but at least we get the later now.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Thanks Dylan! That sounds great.
I'm so happy your game will be finally be out there
EDIT: I'll just confirm that is Dylan Cuthbert. Whether or not he remembers, he PMed me many years ago from this same GAF account
GreySquirrel
Member
So what are the chances of being to able to play this at some point without the SNES mini? Because I want the game but have no desire for another bit of hardware taking up room especially when I have the original SNES on hand. Not to mention the hassle of getting a mini for a reasonable price.
Red Arremer
Member
Dunno. Hope it's just a timed exclusive and comes out on VC or something later.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I wouldn't be surprised if they later release StarFox 2 on a Virtual Console someday. But at this point in time, don't hold your breath. They're selling a thing based on it, and they're going to maintain its exclusivity for a long while after that.
I'm sure it could appear on Switch 2, or whatever.
Hey, hi Dylan. It would be nice if you could answer this quick question: Is this build that was showcased at WCES closer to the final release than the leaked prototype? This is the Lylat map that shows in the leaked ROM instead:
It seems really diferent from the recorded footage and I always wondered wich would be the most advanced one. Now we will see with our own eyes on September, but I'm curious why both are so diferent in style.
It seems really diferent from the recorded footage and I always wondered wich would be the most advanced one. Now we will see with our own eyes on September, but I'm curious why both are so diferent in style.
So does that make Fay, Miyu and the badass Wolf design canon?
Canon to what exactly? Do we consider the first StarFox canon to the rest of the series? I figured StarFox 64 subplanted both as the de-facto "first outing" of the StarFox team. StarFox and StarFox 2 exist in their own little universe, one of wire-frames, flat-shaded polygons and pokemon cries for sentient language...
Also, Dylan: what the hell with that Out Of This Dimension hoopla in the first game.