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Star Wars: Battlefront | Review Thread | A disturbance in the force

The jump pack and other later unlocks change up the game a lot. Like for example the whole Traits card category is locked out until you hit lvl15, which is next to impossible when they also need to spend time with the missions.

So yes, I do think it matters that the Xbox One reviews are based on only 10 hours and the PS4 reviews are without time restrictions. Notice how IGN is saying that they've spent 30 hours with the PS4 version and haven't given a score yet.

I think you are heavily misunderstanding exactly what these review events are.

There's a reason why some reviewers refuse to attend them.
 

AHA-Lambda

Member
Some people in this thread....how is a 74 bad?

The modern video game review scale, it has always been a mediocre score.

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I swear this comes up every time.
 

bombshell

Member
I think you are heavily misunderstanding exactly what these review events are.

There's a reason why some reviewers refuse to attend them.

No, I'm not, not if you actually read that I mention review copies on top of the review event.

Those reviewers refused this review event because they would rather just play the EA Access version on Xbox One and make a review based on those 10 hours and that is what I have a problem with.
 
No, I'm not, not if you actually read that I mention review copies on top of the review event.

Those reviewers refused this review event because they would rather just play the EA Access version on Xbox One and make a review based on those 10 hours and that is what I have a problem with.

Look, regardless, I'm still kind of confused about what you're so upset about. It's obvious that the PS4 version is getting better scores. Are you only upset because the OP linked to the Xbox One score?

Somehow I get the feeling that if PS4 had EA Access too, this would be a non-issue for you.
 

hesido

Member
This game does not have a single player, and it costs 110usd (Base game + season pass).

And my brother bought it and I bought the season pass (split). God damn.

To be frank, I love the Battlefield series, never touched more than 5 minutes of single player campaigns, but I knew the money I paid covered the single player portion. This makes Battlefront the most expensive game I have paid for.
 

Klossen

Banned
No, I'm not, not if you actually read that I mention review copies on top of the review event.

Those reviewers refused this review event because they would rather just play the EA Access version on Xbox One and make a review based on those 10 hours and that is what I have a problem with.

For Gamespot atleast, they went both to the review event and also EA Access.

Either way, I hate review events and wish all reviewers skipped out on them.
 

sam777

Member
No, I'm not, not if you actually read that I mention review copies on top of the review event.

Those reviewers refused this review event because they would rather just play the EA Access version on Xbox One and make a review based on those 10 hours and that is what I have a problem with.

You can't use leveling up as a reason why the scores maybe low. You may as well say if you don't prestige in COD your review has no credibility.

Plus 10 hours is enough time to get a feel for the game and how much you may or may not like it.
 

drotahorror

Member
The jump pack and other later unlocks change up the game a lot. Like for example the whole Traits card category is locked out until you hit lvl15, which is next to impossible when they also need to spend time with the missions.

Wait, so that jump pack and sniper rifle from the beta were trait cards right? And in the full version they don't unlock til lvl 15?

That's dumb.

I thought the way Black Ops 3 locked specialist challenges behind lvl 17 or something was stupid but this is sort of absurd. It'd be like not letting you use perks in CoD until you've leveled up quite a bit.
 

bounchfx

Member
Some people in this thread....how is a 74 bad?

eh, it's not necessarily 'bad' so much as it's completely average and some would say mediocre as far as games go. 8 is pretty much the standard of 'yeah, does the job, what most people expected', and anything below is usually qualified as a disappointment and potentially not worth full price

some people will refuse to buy anything below 8 or 9 though because they really love high numbers
 
The modern video game review scale, it has always been a mediocre score.

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I swear this comes up every time.

That is an absolutely terrible image. Like, awful and completely untrue. It's basically saying a 7.5 is a bad score, which I don't think any gaming website that does reviews would agree with. I'd argue that 7.5 usually means decent for the genre it's in, and anything below 7 is where you get into the "bad" category.
 
Sad to know the full game doesn't address the shallowness that I had an issue with during the open beta. That's the single reason why it fell off my radar but I was hoping it was just the limited scope of the beta that made me think that.
 

Mattenth

Member
That is an absolutely terrible image. Like, awful and completely untrue. It's basically saying a 7.5 is a bad score, which I don't think any gaming website that does reviews would agree with. I'd argue that 7.5 usually means decent for the genre it's in, and anything below 7 is where you get into the "bad" category.

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That's the actual distribution for all games on OpenCritic. Granted, that's only the last 2 years of games since we started tracking in November 2013.

But hopefully that gives you a better idea of the actual distribution.
 

Impulsor

Member
Whatever reviewers say about this game, and as much as I'd love to have more content from the get go, I'd rather have what's there, as good as it is, because its good, very good, than more content not as good, if you catch my drift.

What I played these days feels more satr wars than anything star wars I've played before.
 

bombshell

Member
Look, regardless, I'm still kind of confused about what you're so upset about. It's obvious that the PS4 version is getting better scores. Are you only upset because the OP linked to the Xbox One score?

Somehow I get the feeling that if PS4 had EA Access too, this would be a non-issue for you.

I think my 3 or so posts clearly explain what I have an issue with. And now you're just getting silly with your last remark.

For Gamespot atleast, they went both to the review event and also EA Access.

Either way, I hate review events and wish all reviewers skipped out on them.

Well, that's good.

You can't use leveling up as a reason why the scores maybe low. You may as well say if you don't prestige in COD your review has no credibility.

Plus 10 hours is enough time to get a feel for the game and how much you may or may not like it.

Since when did 10 hours become enough to give a review score that should be taken serious?

Wait, so that jump pack and sniper rifle from the beta were trait cards right? And in the full version they don't unlock til lvl 15?

That's dumb.

I thought the way Black Ops 3 locked specialist challenges behind lvl 17 or something was stupid but this is sort of absurd. It'd be like not letting you use perks in CoD until you've leveled up quite a bit.

No, the jump pack is lvl 13.

Traits are passive abilities tied to your current kill streak.
 

msdstc

Incredibly Naive
Damnit I was all about this but I'm thinking of passing and have been since that article about the 10 hour access. Now the whole lack of content thing continues to be hammered home... Maybe I should wait for goty edition.
 

AHA-Lambda

Member
That is an absolutely terrible image. Like, awful and completely untrue. It's basically saying a 7.5 is a bad score, which I don't think any gaming website that does reviews would agree with. I'd argue that 7.5 usually means decent for the genre it's in, and anything below 7 is where you get into the "bad" category.

It's a joke/exaggerated image obv, but the point remains 74 isn't a good score.
 

TBiddy

Member
Since when did 10 hours become enough to give a review score that should be taken serious?

For a strictly online shooter 10 hours seems to be a fine amount of time in order to determine whether it's a bad, good or great game.

How many hours would you suggest is appropriate?
 
I think my 3 or so posts clearly explain what I have an issue with. And now you're just getting silly with your last remark.

I don't think I am.

From what I'm seeing, you feel that a reviewer who didn't go to EA's special review event shouldn't count as much as a reviewer who did.
 

AHA-Lambda

Member
What's with the inadequacies of this game being spun as intentional, with the "old school shooter" excuse?

The "old school shooters" being invoked were simplistic because the core gameplay was engaging. You don't have to have a shitload of variety to counter strike because counter strike is itself mechanically very deep and involving.

Star Wars Battlefront pushes no boundaries in that way, either in gameplay or content. It lacks both and makes up for it through its cosmetic value alone.

No idea where this came from, sounds like spin to me.
 

meanspartan

Member
eh, it's not necessarily 'bad' so much as it's completely average and some would say mediocre as far as games go. 8 is pretty much the standard of 'yeah, does the job, what most people expected', and anything below is usually qualified as a disappointment and potentially not worth full price

some people will refuse to buy anything below 8 or 9 though because they really love high numbers

Wolfenstein was at 79 metacritic. Was on many people's GOTY lists.

Not saying this will be that, and this is in the low 70s, not high 70s like The New Order. But still.
 

hesido

Member
Since when did 10 hours become enough to give a review score that should be taken serious?

10 Hours is a good time for one to decide whether one likes the game or not, so the review can reflect his/her view on the game. Also it's not as if this is a single player game with a 20 hour linear campaign. Also, if we are to disregard review scores like that, we should disregard both high scores and low scores.
 
Whatever reviewers say about this game, and as much as I'd love to have more content from the get go, I'd rather have what's there, as good as it is, because its good, very good, than more content not as good, if you catch my drift.

What I played these days feels more satr wars than anything star wars I've played before.
This.


I'm having an absolute blast. Been playing for 3 hours on ps4 and can't wait till I'm off work tomorrow. I like Blops 3 but that just took a back seat. This game is amazing.
 

Xater

Member
Very glad to see reviewers actually score it lower for being such a bare bones package. The season pass for this game almost feels mandatory, it's really a shame what EA and Dice delivered here.
 

bombshell

Member
For a strictly online shooter 10 hours seems to be a fine amount of time in order to determine whether it's a bad, good or great game.

How many hours would you suggest is appropriate?

Except it's not an online only shooter, so those 10 hours need to be spread between the missions and the MP. I already mentioned IGN, which haven't given a score yet based on their 30 hours of play.

I don't think I am.

From what I'm seeing, you feel that a reviewer who didn't go to EA's special review event shouldn't count as much as a reviewer who did.

For reasons I already explained more than once, yes.
 

JeffZero

Purple Drazi
C'mon, EA. Let that Amy Hennig/Visceral game have a good script, and let's revive the X-Wing franchise or at least throw me a bone and give us a Rogue Squadron (since that's the more recognizable brand).
 

Theorry

Member
After 10 hours of EA Access i agree with the arround the 8.0 scores. Its a solide game with some flaws but still very solid.
 

TBiddy

Member
Except it's not an online only shooter, so those 10 hours need to be spread between the missions and the MP. I already mentioned IGN, which haven't given a score yet based on their 30 hours of play.

Sorry, I forgot you can also play offline against bots.

Do you think 30 hours of play is an acceptable minimum before reviewing a game?
 

Klossen

Banned
I think reviews are harsher this gen. This woulda been at least at 8 on metacritic 5 years ago.

They have to be. They were losing a lot of credibility when games would always score 80-90 on Metacritic with the user score at 40-50. I think they're still too lenient.
 

barit

Member
What? BF scores are almost the same as The Order 1886 on MC? How is this possible? I'm shocked I tell ya all
 

meanspartan

Member
Evolving critical scrutiny and standards is a good thing.

Absolutely. I didnt say it was a bad thing. But Im happy to be back in a place where a game in the low 70s means problematic, but decent. For a while I could safely ignore anything that got less than an 8. And even 8s felt weak. Like the "bare minimum" a good game could get.
 
That is an absolutely terrible image. Like, awful and completely untrue. It's basically saying a 7.5 is a bad score, which I don't think any gaming website that does reviews would agree with. I'd argue that 7.5 usually means decent for the genre it's in, and anything below 7 is where you get into the "bad" category.

It's a pretty accurate example of the average players perception though. We are roughly conditioned because of school to believe that a 60-69% means it's pretty awful. 70-79% is just ok. etc. Anything that scores in the 6 or lower range is essentially considered terrible. This is why the 1-10 review scale, and honestly even the 1-5 review scale is so bad. More reviews like Kotaku's Yes/Yes If/No/No If approach and less arbitrary numerical scores are needed.
 

Astarte

Member
Not a fan of the card system or the way load outs are handled, but whatever. I'll get this when it's on sale for 10 bucks or so and continue crying over Battlefront 3
 
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