This is pretty awesome. Reminds me of classic Toriyama art.apropos of , toyotaro made this poster
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Dragon Ball Super |OT7| Please wait for Tien to be cool.
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Aaronrules380
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Was watching TFS Gaming's attack of the saiyan's let's play and it got me thinking: Why did Raditz and Vegeta not reconsider destroying earth the moment they learned about Gohan. I mean, their race is almost extinct, including literally every female, and they don't stop to consider at least keeping some of the human women, who can have children, or at the very least sex, as slaves to repopulate their race or something?
Wheeljack539
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They're playing hard mode for kicks.
That just mean the tights are doing their job.
I feel like it's invoking some specific pieces:
This was actually covered. Nappa thinks about it, Vegeta tells him that the Saiyan-human hybrids would probably overthrow the purebloods.
I mean, we act surprised but Dimps does this shit all the time.
Also, the Corrupt Zamasu character is a boss, and only has two combo strings and no ultimates (he has a single light attack combo and a single heavy attack combo). He isn't meant to be played and no one in their right mind would play as him if they had the chance to because he's slow as fuck.
Icyflamez96
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They would just get teleported to the seats, right? Why are so many people assuming they'll just die? Was it because of those fake leaks? They wouldn't actually do that right?
Do people realize how lame it would be if the rest of the people couldn't watch the fight? Stop guessing this. You'll jynx it! 😡
I mean, there's a ton of seats. Way more than the Gods need.
Icyflamez96
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Doesn't that seem like the weird thing to do? The show wouldn't just pass up the opportunity for character reactions and such. It would be so detrimental to the narrative if they made people die immediately.
Solid Sora
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Nappa actually brought it out, but Vegeta said that they don't want a bunch of kids stronger than them running around or something.
The anime covers this as well as the manga. Basically Nappa suggests getting a lot of women pregnant, but Vegeta disagrees saying they don't need kids who could grow more powerful than them, they would probably regret it.
The gods are all big on manspreading so they need more room.
ArchedThunder
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It sure seemed like he was doing more than two strings on me.
Also I'm watching a video and the only thing really slow about him is his running speed, but it's not like that's something people do often in this game, nor is it something they couldn't simply change.
leatherhat
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I wonder when Toriyama came up with the concept for Frieza, because Vegeta being afraid of a bunch of super strong children doesn't make sense when he's low man on the Galatic empire totem pole.
ArchedThunder
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Modders fixing Dimps' bullshit already.
Romars202129
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Don't care.
Theres a difference between thats non canon because its not the manga, and thats not awesome because it didn't happen in the manga.
LSauchelli
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Considering Super follows Kai, which follows a bit more closer to the manga than Z, I'm fairly certain that the Tenshinhan from Super is basically the Tenshinhan from the manga, and not the one from the DB anime or DBZ, so he never defeated any of Ginyu's men and only won the 22nd tournament because of a technicality and the fact that the Crane school cheated.
The fight in the manga is actually more fun than in the anime, btw, it flows better thanks to it not having any filler.
Granted, you could also claim that Goku cheated on that fight the moment he flew on the flying nimbus/kinton.
Fixed
He had white eyes for a total of what, 4 seconds ? Then he had regular eyes.
ArchedThunder
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That's the transformation cutscene.
NeonZ
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There's this anniversary comic where Toriyama says Freeza was created to die in Vegeta's place, so it seems Freeza was created just before Namek starts. It makes sense with Vegeta calling himself the strongest in the universe in the Saiyan Saga.
I guess originally Vegeta would be the villain again during Namek and die permanently there, but then Freeza is created to take that role and Vegeta is forced to team up with the others.
it's toriyama. prolly while drawing the panel immediately before frieza is first ever mentioned
Gonna be honest, I don't usually like plots that are clearly winged from one point to another with no planning...but holy shit, Toriyama did it well. Vegeta and Freeza being basically written on the spot is insanely impressive for how memorable they both ended up being.
Hell, that goes for the whole series haha.
Yeah, its just something about the shading that makes the characters look less like the art than it should.
NeonZ
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I think that transition goes really well because Toriyama didn't really write Freeza's introduction as a big reveal. Even though it contradicts a bit of what was said in the Saiyan Saga, he just went with it. "They said they cleaned planets and sold them to aliens, maybe those aliens are treating him?" Bulma says that and it leads right into the first scene with Freeza's army.
Freeza's name is dropped casually by the aliens and Vegeta as soon as they appear, like it were something established all along, and the only surprise comes from the other characters learning about him.
Freeza's name is dropped casually by the aliens and Vegeta as soon as they appear, like it were something established all along, and the only surprise comes from the other characters learning about him.
about toriyama and his lack of planning, I wonder about the following plot points that obviously have a payoff later and were first introduced because ???
-Goku's origin: Roshi mentions that Gohan had found a strange baby that was Goku. Given the early series style, I assume his origin was going to be more mystical in nature than him being a plain old alien.
-Everything Piccolo: he is green and has antennae. Was he always gonna be an alien? Why did the re-fusion of Piccolo Jr and Kami take so long only to be used in a random fight against Cell?
-Goku's Instant teleportation: Why the fuck Goku learns IT during the android saga? Only to also be travelling in a space ship to earth anyway?
IT is particularly problematic, cause it allows Goku to die and then Cell to come back and also learn IT...but Cell was the third iteration of a villain for the saga. Would android 20 learn IT too? it somehow doesn't strike me as right, but it wouldn't have been rare for Android 20 to also have a bomb inside (I mean...why Cell has a bomb inside? did he use 17? or is he exploding by his own effort?).
so the only option I have is that IT was a tool for Goku to go pick up Dende as a new earth god, so around the point Trunks arrives, Toriyama had decided to cash in Piccolo's and Kami's fusion?
-Goku's origin: Roshi mentions that Gohan had found a strange baby that was Goku. Given the early series style, I assume his origin was going to be more mystical in nature than him being a plain old alien.
-Everything Piccolo: he is green and has antennae. Was he always gonna be an alien? Why did the re-fusion of Piccolo Jr and Kami take so long only to be used in a random fight against Cell?
-Goku's Instant teleportation: Why the fuck Goku learns IT during the android saga? Only to also be travelling in a space ship to earth anyway?
IT is particularly problematic, cause it allows Goku to die and then Cell to come back and also learn IT...but Cell was the third iteration of a villain for the saga. Would android 20 learn IT too? it somehow doesn't strike me as right, but it wouldn't have been rare for Android 20 to also have a bomb inside (I mean...why Cell has a bomb inside? did he use 17? or is he exploding by his own effort?).
so the only option I have is that IT was a tool for Goku to go pick up Dende as a new earth god, so around the point Trunks arrives, Toriyama had decided to cash in Piccolo's and Kami's fusion?
Instant transmission and flight were both to save on drawing travel, if I recall.
I think he just leaves a lot of threads intentionally open so that he has the opportunity to come back to them later. Not saying that he isn't impressive for making a story so consistent without planning, but I don't think he secretly planned things out far in advance.
I think he just leaves a lot of threads intentionally open so that he has the opportunity to come back to them later. Not saying that he isn't impressive for making a story so consistent without planning, but I don't think he secretly planned things out far in advance.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Piccolo being an alien was hinted at in the 23rd tournament where he and Kami speak in a foreign language to each other. Not sure if it was planned any earlier than that
Regardless, Toriyama's version of Tien was never as cool as anime Dragon Ball made him. Guess what Super is using.
As I said in that other DBZ thread:
Really a lot of Akira strengths are all about going along on the ride with him and he held you in the moments well and as twists and turns and surprises, he delivered. "Ultimate Gohan failed, instead its Goku and Vegeta fused, no wait..." And as plot twists, those kept you guessing, BUT... its easy to look at, (and especially in interviews) and tell that except for a couple broad points, he was largely making it up as he went along week by week. And he was very good at that.
But overall continuity, keeping up with various characters, and story cohesion were NOT his strong-points.
Like forgetting Launch and Tao Pai existed, or forgetting Gohan sage power up, or hair color, or animal people existed in early on.
Tien only won on a technicality in the anime too. He just put up a better fight overall. Also, Goku 'cheated' in the 21st tourument, not the 22nd.
Romars202129
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Super has used him better than most of Z up til now. I expect a decent showing for the tourney
Pai Pai Master
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Vegeta talking about being the strongest in the universe before Frieza's character was conceived just came off as him being full of shit as usual in my headcanon. That's how I reconciled it at least lol
He never was that cool.
NeonZ
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I don't think King Ryu's Tenshinhan matches Toriyama's version either though. This is the character that reduced the Tenkaichi arena to a seemingly bottomless crater and yet he's complaining about Gohan breaking a random mountain?
In Z Tien took out two members of the Ginyu Force and fought base Trunks to a standstill in movie 9. What has Super done with him other than fight fodder?
The director of Super approved of Tien's portrayal so it's funny you keep blaming Ryu for him being trash. It isn't like he did much better in 89.
but it's not like he cashes in IT to avoid drawing immediately; he still draws the ship and the weird yardrat robes; they still fly around to find androids 19 and 20 and obviously Goku doesn't teleport himself to safety once the heart sickness kicks in. for all that matters, all he does with IT until he recovers from the heart sickness is steal Roshi's glasses
he only starts using it extensively once Cell has overtaken the plot so I assume introducing IT would have had a similar role in the original saga where only android 20 was the villain
of course it is not out of the realm of possibilities that AT thought "he should have something to show for all that time in space", gave him teleportation and never considered the consequences
or maybe it was just a tool to let Goku travel back to Kaioh and Namek, cause he had introduced those locations but immediately closed off ways to access them
NeonZ
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He lost way too easily to highlight Roshi in episode 89, but his characterization was mostly fine there. He instantly figures out what Goku was planning and tells Chaotzu to paralyze Yurin for example. Meanwhile, the next episode he can't even figure out what to do and has to hear Goku's orders. And on top of that he was whiny and had little of the attitude of the man who said he didn't mind dying against the androids if he was giving his all.
damn that totally looks like something oda would draw.apropos of , toyotaro made this poster
17 protect, but, 17 also attac
yeah that's p much the point where he clearly has become an alien in AT's mind; the next saga will introduce saiyans and they also mention Nameks, so it is quite quick between introducing the concept of aliens and then cashing in the plot
still have to wonder about Piccolo; his appareance is way too weird to not be an alien. Toriyama had drawn demons before and they didn't look like that; hell, even Freeza's first and second form are more demon-like
Just_myles
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apropos of , toyotaro made this poster
17 protect, but, 17 also attac
That's an awesome pic. This in poster form?
goku's like "17, how did you get so strong during all this time?"
then this happens:
then this happens:
apropos of , toyotaro made this poster
17 protect, but, 17 also attac
foxuzamaki
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Nothing at all....nothing at all.....nothing at all....
roflwaffles
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Explain.
Romars202129
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He got to win. He got to bash up some frieza chumps. Short of the non canon Ginyu fight, thats the best he's gotten in a while.
Hellwarden
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