Ruthless_Barbarian
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Both have been mentioned and addressed in the patch notes.
Survival loot will be re-located / re-distributed, doesn't actually say it will be random.
Reading a lot of pve nerfs though, direct effect of pvp balancing
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Both have been mentioned and addressed in the patch notes.
Survival loot will be re-located / re-distributed, doesn't actually say it will be random.
Reading a lot of pve nerfs though, direct effect of pvp balancing
Both have been mentioned and addressed in the patch notes.
Survival loot will be re-located / re-distributed, doesn't actually say it will be random.
Reading a lot of pve nerfs though, direct effect of pvp balancing
On stream Hamish said loot will be in the same location but the type would randomise each survival session, looks like that's changed.
I had a few hours with PVE content on the PTS and didn't enjoy it which is why I've gone balls deep in Destiny now. Only thing I'm interested in is the Pro enhancements to see how it looks if they're upping the res. Feels disappointing for the time I've put in to end like this but Massive just don't get it.
Until they separate PVE and PVP (which will never happen) each one will always suffer from trying to balance them for 2 different entities.
I'll give Lost Signal a try as I didn't play that on the PTS so I could experience something new when it eventually came out, the new DZ zones are decent too.
Someone on reddit noticed the Warlord dropping in the DZ on the last stand video so looks like that's not tied to Falcon Lost anymore neither. Also UG caches have the chance for exotic drops which gives a little reason to play that (if you've not already farmed the exotics you want).
Build wise I'm thinking a skill Alpha setup with damage weapon talents. Requirements not longer needing to be met means you can have 4 decent damage talents and stack electronics for a decent heal and maxed pulse etc.
EL CUCO
Member
I'll gladly take that!They've decided to apply the pro patch to R6Siege instead
MythicReclaimer
Member
Both have been mentioned and addressed in the patch notes.
Survival loot will be re-located / re-distributed, doesn't actually say it will be random.
Reading a lot of pve nerfs though, direct effect of pvp balancing
No surprise there as it was a constant in the PTS builds.
Jest Chillin
Member
Both have been mentioned and addressed in the patch notes.
Survival loot will be re-located / re-distributed, doesn't actually say it will be random.
Reading a lot of pve nerfs though, direct effect of pvp balancing
What is it that you feel is a PvE nerf?
Snap.
The adr nerfs to the talents
Enemy armor damage and damage to elites
Ruthless_Barbarian
Member
Okay that could be it, although it could be really lame if every loot box you open gives you nothing but tools :/
All exotic items can be obtained from the weekly and exotic caches so nothing will be exclusive to any activity.
I'm not touching alpha, ignored it in 1.4 and 1.5, will continue to ignore it in 1.6. Frankly it should be deleted from the game, it goes against the very core of playing a cover shooter as all it has done is promote hip fire, run and gun gameplay.
Massive should be designing gear sets that promote cover based play, not the opposite (alpha, striker....Seeker smh).
Armor gone as a major stat on gear, that's a big loss to toughness.
The health compensation is not enough to make up for that.
Stamina scaling halved.
Larger health pool means healing skills will require more investment in skill power to have the same effectiveness.
Protection from elites removed from most armor rolls, and it's effectiveness halved. This is also a direct nerf to the D3-FNC gear set.
Damage to elites changed to minor stat, and it's roll values reduced.
Enemy armor damage changed to a major stat and roll values reduced.
Combat roll cooldown. It should have been for pvp only.
Revive timer increased to 5 seconds.
All resist stat is practically useless on gear - roll values are too low to provide any kind of viable effect.
On the move reduced to 15%
Battle Buddy reduced to 30%
Critical Save reduced to 20%
Booster Shot: Damage Mitigation bonus decreased by 50% from 15% to 7.5%.
Smart cover damage resilience reduced by 33%
NPC accuracy was slightly reduced but they got a damage boost (while players got squishier).
I uploaded this NPC video to massive a while ago and they had no concrete response to it. Don't expect the accuracy "fix" to actually do anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWfN8HXUPTE
Jest Chillin
Member
I see. Taking all changes into account though it looked initially to me like they've nerfed tank builds and adjusted dps as well to preserve ttk on both sides.
Seems to me like they're trying to push skill play and players taking role builds instead of just beast toughness and OP heal talent builds and walking through everything.
Am I mistaken or is it that you feel that's a bad direction to go?
Edit: That vid is pretty damning, but in my experience it's not often that you find yourself with just one or two npcs to fight. The accuracy issue seems far more egregious as you're often facing a very aggressive mob of npc enemies that spread out, so rushing them down isn't viable until you thin the herd which is hard to do since you're getting bombed on from all angles.
Seems to me like they're trying to push skill play and players taking role builds instead of just beast toughness and OP heal talent builds and walking through everything.
Am I mistaken or is it that you feel that's a bad direction to go?
Edit: That vid is pretty damning, but in my experience it's not often that you find yourself with just one or two npcs to fight. The accuracy issue seems far more egregious as you're often facing a very aggressive mob of npc enemies that spread out, so rushing them down isn't viable until you thin the herd which is hard to do since you're getting bombed on from all angles.
Ruthless_Barbarian
Member
Some of those changes are good for build diversity, and I'm all for that.
But players who played on the PTS have reported that they felt way too squishy in pve compared to 1.5. They have suggested it feels more like 1.3 days where everyone had to stay in dedicated smart cover and support stations in order to clear the hardest activities. The whole reason for patch 1.4 and the overhaul of the game was to move away from that.
Also, this will negatively impact solo players a lot more than those who play in groups.
Playing with randoms there is no clear way to tell what build a player is running or what their stats are like, and most don't use mics. There goes your build diversity.
Massive don't seem to have any sort of planning or vision for the game, they just roll out changes, often untested, and just go with that works. We're getting sick of having to re-farm the same gear every 3 months because they keep on shuffling around instead of adding any meaningful end game content.
Few weeks into the DLC and 1.6, players will be back to farming Lexington...
Also, this:
I can't even..
Teleporting NPC's, still a thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeeLd_Tglko
Issue has been there since day one.
Jest Chillin
Member
Some of those changes are good for build diversity, and I'm all for that.
But players who played on the PTS have reported that they felt way too squishy in pve compared to 1.5. They have suggested it feels more like 1.3 days where everyone had to stay in dedicated smart cover and support stations in order to clear the hardest activities. The whole reason for patch 1.4 and the overhaul of the game was to move away from that.
Also, this will negatively impact solo players a lot more than those who play in groups.
Playing with randoms there is no clear way to tell what build a player is running or what their stats are like, and most don't use mics. There goes your build diversity.
Massive don't seem to have any sort of planning or vision for the game, they just roll out changes, often untested, and just go with that works. We're getting sick of having to re-farm the same gear every 3 months because they keep on shuffling around instead of adding any meaningful end game content.
Few weeks into the DLC and 1.6, players will be back to farming Lexington...
Also, this:
I can't even..
Teleporting NPC's, still a thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeeLd_Tglko
Issue has been there since day one.
Ah. Ok. I see what your point of view a bit more clearly. I'm going to grain of salt PTS impressions only because I think a lot of people have gotten used to the 1.5 meta of tank building. For example I was watching some high ranked DZ fights on stream and their was zero use of cover and everyone was strafing and circling each other, basically trying to outlast rather than outplay/position. It turned me off a lot compared to old DZ fights from launch which needed teamwork and positioning.
As a solo player over the past week, I currently don't see these adjustments making anything much harder for me as I don't have a meta tank build. Those that do will have to adjust, certainly but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. I do understand the annoyance of farming for new meta builds constantly though.
NPC teleports seem like a client server issue more than anything and that plagues the game in many areas. I agree, I'd like a fix. Don't know how feasible that is though on their end. Seems like something that hurts lots of Ubi games to varying degrees.
Ruthless_Barbarian
Member
Damage from elites is the same as Protection from elites.
Historian, if you can only buy one item.
Historian, if you can only buy one item.
Ruthless_Barbarian
Member
1.6 is available to download for those not playing Horizon.
Northern_Manny
Member
Server maintenance extended by 90 minutes due to 'unexpected complications'
EL CUCO
Member
I can't even find Last Stand on the PS store
Embearded
Member
EU region here.
This is what i get after i click on "Download to your PS4"
And this is how it looks in my download list:
EL CUCO
Member
Yup, not seeing that anywhere in NA store.
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Delayed again LOL there's nothing Massive can do without looking stupid in the process.
Northern_Manny
Member
Still down and no ETA either. Gg Massive, gg.
Northern_Manny
Member
You have to purchase it in the store but it doesn't download anything, seems it's just to unlock it.
Although looking back in this thread it seems it may not be appearing on the US store.
Although looking back in this thread it seems it may not be appearing on the US store.
jbortz78
Member
Yes that's the thing, I can't find it in the store. Survival and underground is there but not last stand...
Jest Chillin
Member
Might be a timed store update?
Edit: as in updates on Grace Chen time ala PS3 Store updates rather than midnight like big game releases.
Northern_Manny
Member
PS4 and PC should be up now (or very soon) but Xbox is being worked on.
Hamish has just said on stream that they are aware of the DLC issue on NA PS4
Edit - PS4 and PC are up.
Hamish has just said on stream that they are aware of the DLC issue on NA PS4
Edit - PS4 and PC are up.
jbortz78
Member
Ok thanks for the info, I'm in no rush luckily thanks to Horizon. But would still like to log in tonight to see changes to my gear sets... Especially my current D3 build!
Cleaner than usual. Textures are really clear.
On a side note- this feels like pre 1.5 with these spongy ass enemies...
Insane Metal
Member
Ftfy
MythicReclaimer
Member
Hmmm...
http://kotaku.com/ubisoft-is-making-another-game-about-james-cameron-s-av-1792824753
...not sure if that means anything regarding the future of The Division, probably not.
Regarding Avatar (The Game), while the gameplay offered nothing special the game in stereoscopic 3D on PC was an absolute "reference" type experience.
I'm interested in seeing other games using the Snowdrop engine.
http://kotaku.com/ubisoft-is-making-another-game-about-james-cameron-s-av-1792824753
...not sure if that means anything regarding the future of The Division, probably not.
Regarding Avatar (The Game), while the gameplay offered nothing special the game in stereoscopic 3D on PC was an absolute "reference" type experience.
I'm interested in seeing other games using the Snowdrop engine.
Could you imagine The Division if Massive wasn't focusing on it? Uhhhh, ummmm...
MythicReclaimer
Member
1.6 Update = Zero steps forward, massive steps backwards. Congrats.
Edit: I hope they are currently having issues with matchmaking considering you cannot find a full team for Legendary missions on PC. If not, yikes. What I have played, PvE wise, feels just as dreadful as it did in the latter PTS builds and exactly what I expected it to be. Thanks, but no thanks to being bunched up with smart cover and health stations firing an enormous amount of rounds in an attempt to take down armor off NPCs. This is not in anyway considered fun gameplay. I somehow convinced myself it was fun and pushed through and took two characters to Rank 40+ in The Underground during the 1.3 iteration against mostly Level 35 enemies in Heroic Ops. Sorry but the change in color of the "exotics" with a tweak here and there is not enough incentive to get me go through that torture again.
The Historian is decent, that's something, I guess.
Edit: I hope they are currently having issues with matchmaking considering you cannot find a full team for Legendary missions on PC. If not, yikes. What I have played, PvE wise, feels just as dreadful as it did in the latter PTS builds and exactly what I expected it to be. Thanks, but no thanks to being bunched up with smart cover and health stations firing an enormous amount of rounds in an attempt to take down armor off NPCs. This is not in anyway considered fun gameplay. I somehow convinced myself it was fun and pushed through and took two characters to Rank 40+ in The Underground during the 1.3 iteration against mostly Level 35 enemies in Heroic Ops. Sorry but the change in color of the "exotics" with a tweak here and there is not enough incentive to get me go through that torture again.
The Historian is decent, that's something, I guess.
So glad I didn't have any kind of expectations for this having been disappointed in the passed with updates other than 1.4/1.5. Existing bugs persist that were supposedly fixed, glitches, lag, heal delay, teleport in mobs/players, sound bugging out, shooting through doors etc etc dejavu. Hope no one wanted the extended mag fixed neither cuz that hasn't even made it lol GJ. See you at 1.7.
MythicReclaimer
Member
Managed to complete Legendary Times Square which was a struggle but at least I was rewarded with a Thompson M1928 which I've never had before on Xbox or PC.
Ruthless_Barbarian
Member
GustyGardens
Banned
The Last Stand seems alright. I haven't gone into PvE but the PvP stuff is fun.
MythicReclaimer
Member
...and Legendary Napalm done. Another Showstopper.
Ruthless_Barbarian
Member
Yup, they changed stuff that is irrelevant for most players now. DZ xp does nothing, DZ funds mostly useless, same for DZ keys.
You'll still lose your items if you get killed by other players, even if you're not rogue.
Everything is too little too late.
MythicReclaimer
Member
...and the trifecta, Legendary WarrenGate done. Shortbow kneepads acquired along with a god-tier Tactician's backpack (1304 Armor, +13,311 Skill Power, +50% Ammo, and 1261 Electronics).
I'm convinced there is a shortage on Ferro's mask.
Not down with a lot of the changes (but I knew what was coming from the PTS). Overall, it just feels like a bad/cheap way to go about increasing difficulty.
I'm convinced there is a shortage on Ferro's mask.
Not down with a lot of the changes (but I knew what was coming from the PTS). Overall, it just feels like a bad/cheap way to go about increasing difficulty.
Now do all 3 solo lol
MythicReclaimer
Member
Right beside the basic Weapon and Gear vendors in the BoO. Where the "Mod" vendor originally was. Down the row a bit from the Ammo Restock (at the entrance of the BoO).