Definitely more mature than this thread...
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Jonathan Blow plays Breath of the Wild
- Thread starter AuthenticM
- Start date
- Status
Definitely more mature than this thread...
hahahahaha.
I love those systems, but they should've tweaked it more. Things simply break too fast. Early game this is fine, but late game if I have a powerful weapon, I'd expect it to last more than 1 fight. Late game lynels I'll often go through 3 or 4 weapons to beat them, and then I get back one weapon at best. There's no reward for fighting that lynel, in fact it's harmful to do so. And the combat can become pretty repetitive since higher-leveled enemies simply become damage sponges instead of having the AI get smarter or giving them different abilities. This adds up to making combat pretty much not worth it toward the end of the game unless you absolutely have to, since it's usually a negative sum result. You'll end up breaking more weapons than you get back. Basically, the foundation is good and I love the interplay between the systems, and I agree the game would be totally different without it, but the execution could've been better.
If this game was called The Legend of Belda no one would care about it. It's the argument that games in long-running franchises get passes because people have nostalgia and love for the franchise, and if said game released as a new IP people wouldn't rate it as highly
Council Pop
Member
Yeah definitely. The most annoying thing for me is being able to drop melee weapons without opening the menus, but not being able to drop other weapons or shields without pausing the game.
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
Aldric
Member
Basically it's a lazy way of downplaying a Zelda game's good scores by saying something similar to "If it were called The Legend of Belda..."
It's a popular trollish saying towards Zelda/Nintendo games' critical reception. "If this game was called The Legend of Belda (so not a Zelda game), it wouldn't be loved as much".
The Belda fallacy goes like this for any zelda game, "If it was called the Legend of Belda it would not score and/or sell as high as it did."
BotW just doesn't fit with what he likes, though complaining about the scores it got is silly.
Forsaken82
Member
Him raving about Stephen's Sausage Rolls is probably responsible for at least half the PR the game got. I guess he's just very specific in what he likes in games. And that's fine.
Contrarian opinion :
bows don't break fast enough.
Weapons usually break predictably and can indeed be a pain if you fight a lot of monsters.
Bows? that shit last forever and you can kill something like 3 Lynels and 2 cyclops by the time 1 break up!
Considering each of these monsters drop 1 bow each :/
I'm swimming in bows!
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
Would the Witness have been as successful had it not been promoted as being a game made by the dude who made Braid?
Ironically that's what people are saying to him in regards to BotW in this thread,
Also true. I guess those should break more often to counteract everything else breaking so quickly. Again, love the concept and how it interplays with everything else, the execution just could've been better. Didn't take away from the game too much for me though, I'm just more excited about improvements in a sequel
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
A very opinionated game developer.
He made Braid and The Witness. He was one of the original stars of the indie development scene when that got going last generation. Similar tier of developer to Phil Fish in that he created a puzzle game by himself that was smart and subversive and really blew up. As you can see by this thread, he has opinions about games that not everyone appreciates
John Kowalski
Banned
Top influencer
Game developer. He put out Braid and The Witness.
He's also apparently a DSP copycat by night.
It makes perfect sense that he's disappointed by the puzzles coming from Sausage Roll, or really any competent puzzle game. People comparing Breath of the Wild's shrines to the games he's made should be insulting.
benicillin
Banned
Blow is a fantastic game designer. He's also about as far as you can get from the target audience for >90% of games that get made.
Yoshimitsu126
Member
Phil Fish playthrough of BotW would be really interesting considering this game deviance to traditional 3D Zelda.
Watching people react to blow reacting to BotW is almost as fun.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Hmm well loved both games
Didnt knew he is as bad as dsp
People are using flaw in the sense of something that can sour an experience. It's subjective criticism, unlike bugs which are objectively problematic. Design choices can absolutely do that. The obvious example of such are devs choosing fidelity over 60/locked fps.
I don't really see how that's relevant.
It's entirely about this not being his bag. Blow is into games where progression is 100% an intellectual exercise. Games where there is one core mechanic or system that is explored as deeply as possible and in as many varieties as possible.
Zelda is pretty much the opposite of what he's interested in.
Precisely
I was just joking about that last bit. He's a brilliant designer though for sure.
A genius.
He's blunt and people perceive it as negative. I don't see it that way, he just makes a bullet list. It's like telling a woman she has saggy boobs. Wasn't meant to be negative just a factual observation that was then stated. Boobed woman (Zelda fans) then punches you in the face (I'm sorry marathon watched DBS last night).
Conkerkid11
Member
Yeah, was just about to say that based on that rough transcription of the vid above your post, it sounds like Game Grumps, but even Game Grumps cleared this game a lot faster than I thought they would.
This seems like it's on a whole other level. Feel like the dude made Braid, then from then until now during the development of The Witness, he hasn't had time to play anything else or something and is completely inexperienced when it comes to any games that aren't his own.
I love his games. The Witness is probably my favorite puzzle game of all-time. But this feels way too much like he came into the game wanting to dislike it.
JershJopstin
Banned
I mean, how often you use the bow? It won't break frequently if you don't rely on it.
I have my own problems with the game but discussions seem to rarely address them, instead focusing on pedantry like there being little tutorials and weapon durability (I mean, I get it, but I'm also swimming in Royal and Lynel weapons at this point so eh)
Haven't seen this stream but judging from the excerpts I'm not sure I want to. At some point I'd like to do a write up or a video essay of my constructive criticism of this game (but why I still adore it), though maybe I'll wait to finish it in Master Mode.
Haven't seen this stream but judging from the excerpts I'm not sure I want to. At some point I'd like to do a write up or a video essay of my constructive criticism of this game (but why I still adore it), though maybe I'll wait to finish it in Master Mode.
an entire conference eh
BlueDogAnchorite
Member
Agreed
forknknife
Banned
Thanks for this, sounds ridiculous.
Human Trashcan
Banned
And yet it took him like 10 minutes to do the magnesis tutorial and he couldn't understand that you can't use magnesis on ROCKS
hmmm
No one would care if he had interesting, nuanced things to say about the game, but he went into it with the attitude of a petulant child and just proceeded to dump all over everything before he had even figured out 1% of the game. It was a fucking embarrassment to be honest.
Ban Puncher
Member
The creator of great games such as
This actually cracked me up at times reading it (in a sad sort of way, mainly)... but not enough to sit through the video.
Thanks for the summary!Or just had different tastes or philosophy on what puzzles should be like, make you feel like, etc. Maybe. That eureka moment I had playing both braid and witness I've never experience an any other game. I'll try SSR since i already own it and hear how good it is quite a bit.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
No lies detected
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked