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Netflix Hot Girls Wanted series exploits sex workers while exposin how they're expltd
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Dash_Riprock
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The hypocrisy of this is mind blowing.
Delusibeta
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Specifically named, I believe? I'll have to double check.
Psychoward
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It seems like the real names going off of the article, but even still cam shows are behind a pay wall in the first place so I'm not even sure if they're legally allowed to use that footage anyway. Besides it being ethically wrong and astoundingly hypocritical of course.
meltingparappa
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I think this is possibly the argument that made someone with the show would think that basically doxxing someone was even remotely ok.
Sex workers use pseudonyms and operate with some control over their audience, frequently for safety more than anything else.
Think of it this way -- imagine someone watching a stream from "sexykat3000", digging up her real name and hometown, then posting it to 4chans front page as well as an episode of a show on a platform her family, friends and co-workers all likely use, then shrugged their shoulders when asked why they even did that.
I wouldn't have been defending Netflix either way, I just wanted to get a more accurate picture of what they did.
Netflix is pretty obviously in the wrong here. There was no need to draw attention to people like that, and they could have just as easily achieved their stated aim whilst protecting people's identities.
Obviously anyone who puts anything on the internet should do so knowing it could come back to bite them later, but in this instance, creating these kind of problems for these people was entirely avoidable, and served no real purpose.
Psychoward
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All good that's what I assumed, I was just adding more detail to my reply.
Yup.
Hot Girls Wanted was always a dumpster fire, and she's a big part of why. It really reflects badly that Netflix commissioned more.
hodayathink
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Nah, Rashida Jones is actually pretty clearly anti-sex work, and the first Hot Girls Wanted doc kinda showed that. This is just an extension of that.
people usually use this to say people get what they deserve, mostly because they did something bad and got a bad result in return. Does the sex worker deserve some bad consequences from her chosen profession?
lets save these exploited girls, by...highlighting adult women who have chosen and figured out how to safely do sex work and putting all their details on blast.
I'd almost prefer they just go in with guns and remove and repatriate these girls by force instead of playing public opinion national tragedy angle. Do some concrete things instead of the usual free market bullshit.
Is she anonomized on the show? Are they like blanking out faces and changing voices and whatnot?
Meus Renaissance
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There is a difference between doing a "cam show" on the internet for those interested in watching that sort of thing, and using footage of a cam show for a documentary to a mass audience about the exploitation of sex workers - something which the women may not want to be associated with. It's a simple enough distinction to understand.
[Netflix] couldnt care to blur random footage they found or try contacting the peoples footage that they used, Elizabeth said. Just seems very careless and lazy.
GuessMyUserName
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The OP has the answer to this bolded, man.
Sounds like the very opposite of "anonomized"
4 is a cutie
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I can understand her inviting discussion about the over-saturation of sexual imagery and what-not, even if I'd question the idea of setting limits for other women and the lack of worrying about male musicians, but she seems weirdly fixated on purity/respectability. Anybody who starts with that shit when tut-tutting their own people earns a side-eye
Psychoward
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Pretty sure one of them didn't even know she was on the show until it was released...
Maybe I'm misunderstanding here...are these women appearing on the show for interviews or not? My impression was that these clips accompany an interview.
Psychoward
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Yeah I mean there is a conversation somewhere in there but she used some questionable word choice/reasoning and then doubled down on it when pressured.
Not only that, if im understanding correctly, they also doxxed them? Ridiculous. I had some reservations about the original hot girls wanted, but this is absurd.
The article says they used real names but there aren't any quotes from the women that seem to be alleging that. Instead, they all seem to be upset that their footage has been used on netflix without permission. Which is likely not illegal even if it is behind a paywall due to fairuse. However, it is still ethically shitty.
hodayathink
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Nope. IIRC, one of the episodes deals with cam shows, and they basically just pulled footage from Periscope and a few other places as clips of what cam shows look like without actually contacting anyone in the footage. There are other episodes that have the format (interviewing people and using footage of them), but even those parts have come under fire (one of the performers said she decided during filming that she didn't want to be in this, and says they told her that they'd cut her out, but then didn't).
There's actually two different issues here. What you're talking about is one. The name outing is actually from a different performer, one who originally agreed to be on the show but changed her mind. They show her real name as part of her episode.
Meus Renaissance
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I think the issue here is whether or not it is ethical for documentaries to use footage from these cam shows - which are public and free - without having to ask for permission, as is the practice with readily available clips of trailers, TV shows and media broadcasts. In other words, should there be a different standard for sex workers? Common sense dictates yes, there should be.
When people do that, it usually means the conversation isn't really to be had with them.
you can argue with a locked door, but it doesn't always open.
People should also know that many cam sites, maybe all of them, provide controls for models to block IPs from certain states, regions or countries from seeing them at all. Many models will block the country or state(s) they are in or that friends/family are in so they are only visible to areas with people who don't know them. Or at the very least the least likely know them.
To take clips from cam shows without permission and put them up on Netflix is beyond fucked up and scummy as is, but couple that with the fact that they are then distributing this show to regions models may have specifically blocked through their platform is doubly fucked.
To take clips from cam shows without permission and put them up on Netflix is beyond fucked up and scummy as is, but couple that with the fact that they are then distributing this show to regions models may have specifically blocked through their platform is doubly fucked.
Messofanego
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Real names? So they sort of got doxxed, damn.
That doesn't exactly answer the question. If they agreed to be interviewed with real names and faces then I don't see an ethical issue here. They already gave up their anonymity by participating in the interview.
However, if they agreed to the interview only if their faces were blanked and names suppressed then obviously that's a huge problem because it violates their anonymity. It's not clear based on the story if their interview was conducted under conditions of anonymity and I can't even really tell if the clips accompany an interview.
Ok yeah that's messed up
No it doesn't. The article never says that Netflix used their real names. All it says is that their "real names...were released". It does not say by whom. They could very well be referring to people on Reddit or 4chan doxxing them after seeing the documentary.
Psychoward
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I'm no lawyer so I apologize if I'm off the mark here, but how does recording a video from a paid channel and then re-uploading it to another paid service without getting permission from the video owner not violate fair use? Rehosted porn videos get taken down all the time, and those are on free sites, Netflix is a paid service.
no one is talking about fair use policies. If they brought that stuff up when asking these people to do interviews, odds are a bunch of them would not want to participate. The producers went the extra mile and did stuff that connected women to their real lives. No one gives a shit if you're legally in the clear if you're still dicking people over.
unless you're a lawyer I guess. Or a giant Dick.
Psychoward
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I know, I've said it's shitty, but I'm saying it also doesn't even seem to be legal.
WarrenD
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There's no saying it's a paid stream as far as I know. Check the front page of any cam site and you'll see loads of free streams.
Yeah but do they really want to include footage of women texting and looking bored?
Afaik does something fall under fair use if the content is used for educational purposes and if it's contained to a reasonable length. Like if you'd make a documentary about US TV you could use a 10 second clip from Game of Thrones and it should​ be ok.
The example you brought up usually involves people uploading entire scenes to porn sites without any new context surrounding it.
Of course does none of that absolve the producers morals.
WarrenD
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Huh? I've just checked one site and the homepage ranges from full lesbian show to solo and straight couples in action. All free to watch.
The majority of camgirls use MyFreeCams or Chaturbate, neither of which are behind a pay wall. As for being recorded, this is nothing new. A quick search on Pornhub will display hundreds of thousands of recorded camshows.
Is this a bot?
Just jokes
The only time MFC is under a paywall is if it's a group show. I don't know about Chaturbate, I think that's always free, and they just make their money from selling content to people directly.
Other income source in MFC is tipping.
Haven't seen the series, but reading about it here and what production did is pretty gross.
Other income source in MFC is tipping.
Haven't seen the series, but reading about it here and what production did is pretty gross.
Moff
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I watched the first two episodes a few days ago, the first episode was about 2 female porn creators and it was not anti sex-work at all, it was very supportive of these 2 creators
the second episode was about some dude who hooked up on tinder and it felt fake as fuck
needless to say, featuring cam girls without their approval on a netflix show is incredibly wrong and I don't see how they can justify that. legally probably, nut no way morally, it's just obviously wrong.
the second episode was about some dude who hooked up on tinder and it felt fake as fuck
needless to say, featuring cam girls without their approval on a netflix show is incredibly wrong and I don't see how they can justify that. legally probably, nut no way morally, it's just obviously wrong.
Garrett Hawke
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This was incredibly careless, they should've blurred identifying features and used aliases. That's like the bare minimum if you're not even going to ask permission.
Also anyone saying like "they had it coming" etc, hope you literally never watch porn.
Also anyone saying like "they had it coming" etc, hope you literally never watch porn.
hodayathink
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It was supportive of those two creators while being dismissive of pretty much everyone else, though. There's more than 2 feminist directors in porn, and they don't only shoot softer scenes. And I say that as someone who likes Erika Lust and Holly Randall. And if I have to hear one more person talking about how everything is double anal all the time (even if it is another performer)....
Angie Tribeca is...
Looking at a different article, she is pointing the finger at Netflix. She says they used an image from her facebook that had her real name on it.
https://newrepublic.com/article/142274/netflixs-hot-girls-wanted-demeans-women-wants-empower
I haven't seen the documentary but I don't think we are talking about entire cam sessions. If so, then those are absolutely in violation. Im assuming they are very short clips, which are often ok when it comes to informative pieces. Its all pretty nebulous and up to the judge though.
Chmpocalypse
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You realize you're excusing the equivalent of doxxing these sex workers, right?
Miles Quaritch
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Count Dookkake
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Gross.
One of the stupidest fucking posts I've seen on here in a while.
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