Lightning_Roller
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Seriously. Don't know why would anyone use that family excuse other than them trying to be assholes.
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"All Trump Voters Are Nazi Scum" (But Seriously Though...)
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Seriously. Don't know why would anyone use that family excuse other than them trying to be assholes.
because they are tied to the idea that all family regardless of their shitty views or personality are deserved unconditional love and caring. it's such a fucking anchor
People could have voted for any number of reasons and may have been genuinely ignorant or just foolish enough to not take him as seriously as they should have.
I mainly save scorn for if they STILL proudly and publically support him. I may not be vocal with it as there's no use for a public incident, but you're kind of a douche in my eyes if you're still trotting out that MAGA hat and clothes with his name stamped on it unironically.
I mainly save scorn for if they STILL proudly and publically support him. I may not be vocal with it as there's no use for a public incident, but you're kind of a douche in my eyes if you're still trotting out that MAGA hat and clothes with his name stamped on it unironically.
Garrett Hawke
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I have no idea, but I love her 😂
Lightning_Roller
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googleplex
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I think I'm in love.
yanipheonu
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There's the sobering reminder that many voters genuinely don't have any knowledge about the campaign, nor do they really care. Plenty of people vote just based on what names they see on the ballot.
It's another problematic nature about painting all voters with the same brush: you're giving the voting masses too much credit.
OG Shaka Zulu
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Who is this and who is scolding? A family member?
I'm curious how you think Nazi's treated their own family members. I doubt your grandmother is as extreme as a Nazi in her views but I'm sure many Nazi's were warm and loving towards their family and friends. Much like racists today, I've known a number of hardcore racists who were incredibly kind and hospitable... just as long as you aren't one of THEM (sometimes they will even be kind to those they hate though and just talk shit about them later). Just because they are kind doesn't necessarily mean they are good people. Many horrible people use kindness to manipulate people.
yup, better for them to be cowards around their family members and get along, rather than stand up to their ignorance and call then out on it. oh well. that's their dumbass cross to bear.
Lightning_Roller
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Trump voters absolutely deserve criticism for this. They supported a candidate who constantly did and said racist shit all the way up to election day. This isn't AS DIRECT a form of oppression as other things one can do, but that doesn't mean it isn't worth addressing.
Fortunately the growing socialist movement doesn't need Trump voters.
Fortunately the growing socialist movement doesn't need Trump voters.
DontBeThatGuy
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His actual supporters, the ones that didn't just vote for him to oppose "that shrill bitch" (heard variations of that a whole bunch!) are beyond hope. I'm fully convinced of this. If anyone is trying to sway that group, or talk some sense into them, time is being wasted. It can't get much lower than the true believers.
The rest are a bunch of fucking idiots that will either figure it out on their own, or will continue to stew in their terrible decisions just because.
There were some stories shortly after Trumps win regarding things like Obamacare and deporting people that generally boiled down to "I didn't think he was serious or was talking about us" in regards to Trump's promises and that just makes me laugh. These people seemingly were reading between Trump's hateful racist rhetoric and assumed that he didn't actually mean it, or that the office would temper him. That's idiotic. Is the amount of people who did that significant compared to the people who voted for him because they believed and liked what he said? I dunno, not keeping up with that.
Being tricked by someone promising policies you agree with but acting differently is you getting played, voting for someone who promises you something and then sets out trying to do those things is playing yourself. I can sympathize with people who got played but I can't sympathize with people who play themselves.
Regarding him turning against his promises that's a different argument altogether and honestly I don't entirely buy it. I'd certainly classify him as a failure so far in regards to doing what he promised he'd do but I'm not sold on the idea of him outright going the opposite direction of his earlier policy proposals outside of Syria and possibly his weird flaky stance on healthcare where a few times he said he'd take care of everyone. Draining the swamp's the only thing I'd say he outright lied about.
But honestly I feel the idea of him betraying his base is a narrative we're making up when really we're just getting lucky and having judges strike shit down and shit and stopping it.
Brenda is awesome, but the inane cackling in the background tells us the true story. Those fucks don't care. They are nothing but scum.
Astral Dog
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B-but my family isn't like that guys 👐
also im neutral
also im neutral
They just need someone to sit down with them and educate them. She's being way too confrontational.
If you've reviewed Donald Trump's resume and/or listened to him speak for two seconds, and you still think he's a worthy enough candidate for President of the United States to cast a vote for him, then you are a either a racist or a mental midget (or both). There's really no two ways about it.
People are getting deported/denied entry into the US with green cards, and you're worried about social media throwing general labels at Trump supporters because it might include your family and hurt their feelings? You literally have no skin in the game.
Sweeney Tom
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Pretty much. By definition if you aren't condemning something, you're accepting and thus condoning it. Own up to it and what you've enabled.
Adam_Vania
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people vote for all kinds of different reasons. saying that if you voted for this person you believe X and Y is absurd mind-reading and generalization.
plenty of people on the left said to look past many of Hillary's faults and vote for her solely to keep him out of office. no doubt people on the right thought the same way. this is mostly the fault of having a strict two-party system.
im really iffy on the whole "Let's-Call-Half-The-Population-Irredeemable" tactic. it's not a tactic, it's a tantrum.
plenty of people on the left said to look past many of Hillary's faults and vote for her solely to keep him out of office. no doubt people on the right thought the same way. this is mostly the fault of having a strict two-party system.
im really iffy on the whole "Let's-Call-Half-The-Population-Irredeemable" tactic. it's not a tactic, it's a tantrum.
Lightning_Roller
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Agreed, lives and families are being torn apart by trump and his policies, while you are worried about someone's feelings? Please...
look, a new and stupid version of #bothsides
Massive Duck. C.M.
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So you have family or friends who voted for Trump too huh
Muffin1611
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Dude, if you look past Hillarys and Trumps faults, Hillary comes out on top. If you don't, Hillary still comes out on top. I have no clue what you're arguing here.
Only ~26% of eligible voters voted for trump, and if we're discussing Clinton's "deplorables" comment she actually said that half of his voters might be bad folks. I think suggesting only 13% of the country* is racist / sexist / xenophobic / etc is underselling by a large margin, and no other candidate in modern history directly courted these voters like donald trump. Conclusion: plausible.
* eligible voters
* eligible voters
DontBeThatGuy
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The amount of insensitivity involved in voting for Trump (...or most Republicans) would be enough to fill a book.
Lightning_Roller
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That's cute. Keep believing that when hard data showed how trump won, and I'll give you a hint:
It wasn't a two party system that got him a win.....it was what that guy was saying and his views that attracted others to him. In other, racism.
In a way the whole "my family can't be that bad" is the root of "my political party can't be that bad" that got the country into this mess in the first place.
People need to get over the tribalism and look at the facts. Yes, your granny might be sweet to you, but she pretty clearly doesn't care about all these people that are getting fucked. Deal with it. My own mom had an anti-Semitic streak and I would rake her over the coals every time it came up. Some shit ain't cool no matter who says it.
People need to get over the tribalism and look at the facts. Yes, your granny might be sweet to you, but she pretty clearly doesn't care about all these people that are getting fucked. Deal with it. My own mom had an anti-Semitic streak and I would rake her over the coals every time it came up. Some shit ain't cool no matter who says it.
I do have a problem with applying Nazi/Neo-Nazi to EVERY Trump supporter. Or the overuse of the word period rn. Call a spade a spade, but some people are calling a hammer a spade because they can.
Now I do agree that while all Trump voters are not inheriently racist/sexist/vile people, they were fine with voting for a man who was in fact vile to the core which itself is a problem.
And also, we gotta stop with this whole all Liberals/Republicans/Conservatives/Dems/etc are all XYZ. Nah, that ain't the case.
Now I do agree that while all Trump voters are not inheriently racist/sexist/vile people, they were fine with voting for a man who was in fact vile to the core which itself is a problem.
And also, we gotta stop with this whole all Liberals/Republicans/Conservatives/Dems/etc are all XYZ. Nah, that ain't the case.
Well you work on separating out the Nazis from the ones who are just Nazi supporters if there's a steady paycheck in it. I'll be over here not giving a fuck that Grannie wants to be the good one.
Forget the European theatre of the Second World War.
Forget the fire bombing of Dresden.
Forget the sack of Berlin.
Forget the Nuremberg trials.
Forget the division of Germany.
Forget the Morgenthau Plan and forests worth of Nazi propaganda burnt.
Forget the propaganda campaigns waged by the PWD to make the German public feel collective guilt and responsibility.
Forget strafgesetzbuch section 86a.
Forget forget forget forget. What we need is some education.
I have multiple black friends (family too, but I'm white) and two gay friends, (married), that voted for trump.
Not sure why a lot of them did. I do know that my gay friends did it for business though. Apparently the tax cut promises (I don't even know what they are) were their reason.
I did ask them obviously.
All I can do is shrug, I don't get it.
Not sure why a lot of them did. I do know that my gay friends did it for business though. Apparently the tax cut promises (I don't even know what they are) were their reason.
I did ask them obviously.
All I can do is shrug, I don't get it.
Sunk cost fallacy.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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I would suggest that history is a pretty strong demonstration that something about politics short-circuits people's usual intellectual and moral reasoning, and that whether or not to weigh more heavily an individual's contribution to the overarching political climate of their time or the manner in which someone functions interpersonally in the judgment heuristic is a personal choice, with arguments running both ways. I'm not sure if anybody in my family has voted for Trump, but to be honest, while I might be tempted to get on my soapbox when politics come up, it wouldn't affect one bit my desire (or lack thereof) to break bread with them if I knew they did.
She used the term "basket of deplorables" to describe the racist leaders and organizations that were endorsing Trump- the KKK, David Duke, Richard Spencer, the alt-right, neo-nazis, etc.
She wasn't calling the average Trump supporter a deplorable, the right wing just misrepresented what she said to rile people up.
Which makes people wearing those "deplorable and proud" shirts all the more disturbing.
You think most Nazi party, and hell, even military persons weren't actually nice people in private?
I agree the rhetoric has gotten way too toxic, but voting for oppression is a massive, massive screwup that we tolerate only because so many people did it.
Voting is a profond civil duty, all it takes for oppressive regimes to hold is tolerance.
That doesn't mean you should cut ties with family who voted trump or do something equally idiotic, but it's not "My opinion, man" - it's a very real action with very real consequences which a lot of people will be suffering.
One thing i really respect about Germany is the strength of their "Never Again" stance on heavy nationalism of any stripe.
I agree the rhetoric has gotten way too toxic, but voting for oppression is a massive, massive screwup that we tolerate only because so many people did it.
Voting is a profond civil duty, all it takes for oppressive regimes to hold is tolerance.
That doesn't mean you should cut ties with family who voted trump or do something equally idiotic, but it's not "My opinion, man" - it's a very real action with very real consequences which a lot of people will be suffering.
One thing i really respect about Germany is the strength of their "Never Again" stance on heavy nationalism of any stripe.
Lil'DigiOp
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Seriously. We are so fucking sorry you felt hurt when you decided racism, sexism, and xenophobia were not enough of factors to elect Leader of the Free World or you were so ignorant to put real people in real misery.
Damn.
You know I'm not sure how effective "change them with education" can really be in these modern times. With the internet comes knowledge and information, but it also comes false information and bigger possibilities of finding more nazis and then them forming their own communities where the hate just gets deeper.
Information that leads to education is mostly free, thanks to the internet. The problem isn't information, it's motivation. That person has to want to go to school. That person has to want to join communities of minorities and different perspectives. Something has to drive them towards it.
The people that always say, "well educate them", never seem to give advice on how. Because short of tying them down and forcing them to listen, it's pretty much an impossible endeavor.
If college was actually free in the US anyway, there might be the possibility of education because at least those people would have the motivation of getting better jobs and might learn something along the way. Of course Republicans would never allow that to happen, putting a stop to the possible education, and round we go.
I do believe education can play a role in rehabilitating individuals and nations too.
But in the case of Germany pretending the Allies didn't come down on the German people like a ton of bricks and grind their nationalism into dust is so historically illiterate it ironically suggests the poster hasn't taken their own medicine on the subject of education.
But in the case of Germany pretending the Allies didn't come down on the German people like a ton of bricks and grind their nationalism into dust is so historically illiterate it ironically suggests the poster hasn't taken their own medicine on the subject of education.
I don't think this idea of labels even matters anymore.
Lets be honest here, this nation is polarized but frankly there's no choice right now. We can all be civil and court the conservatives all we want but it doesn't make a difference because what the two groups believe is far too different now. About the only two things you could get conservatives and liberals to agree with is supporting big business and dropping bombs on foreigners, just the liberals at least want big business to give you a reach around and have differing views of which foreigners to bomb than conservatives.
Everything else is literally all for nothing. And being frank here, we do want to impose our will on them just as much as they do us. We have to if anything we want to do's to even make sense or work. You can't do climate policy, health care, immigration reform, or various issues like gay marriage or whatever without it affecting the whole nation.
Everything has devolved down to a team sport and like it or not that's the framework we operate in now. There is no more room for compromise when one side doesn't believe in government. You can't have meaningful debate as to how something should work when the other party doesn't believe the other things should, or even does, exist. Can't reform the EPA when one party wants it dissolved, can't combat institutional racism when the other party thinks we're post-racism, can't fight climate change when the other party doesn't believe it exists, going to be hard to fix healthcare when people think pre-Obamacare we had the best in the world and a great many people believe that those who can't afford it shouldn't be able to get it, can't have meaningful welfare discussions when the other side thinks anyone on welfare's a failure of a human being, and wrapping all of this up is that you can't really have a tax compromise when the other party wants the government to essentially be the three branches of government and the Department of Defense.
Even between people the other label's usually a slur, find me a conservative that's fine being labeled a liberal or vice-versa. We don't even need to jump to calling people Nazi's, racists and shit, honestly, most politically active people probably find being labeled a conservative or liberal just as nasty.
This is the country we're in now. One where the Republicans were rewarded for being obstructionists for 7 years, where they broke down government to a non-working state and stole a supreme court seat. Their supporters love the fact they did that by the way, they're not crying over constitutional procedure and shit they're cheering the fact their party held the line and kept a liberal from getting a Supreme Court seat but if the tables were reversed you know they'd be screaming bloody murder. And on our side we're cheering every judge we can that can give Trump a black eye right now.
Thing is you can't disarm now. Wish and pray things were less polarized all you want but now you either win or you lose, show up and play or forfeit. Things are only going to get nastier from here on out.
But back to the labels, they've been whining about liberals and their safe spaces long enough I think it's time they get challenged. I got no problems with people calling Trump supporters Nazis, they might as well be. And you see their reaction, liberals want a room in a college conservatives don't wanna go to anyway because they hate the educated elite, liberals want to allow an undocumented person to live in a liberal hive of scum of a city they don't wish to visit or live in, their answer's to take over it all. Fuck your safe space they want a safe country even if they don't plan on going to any of those places. Liberals have been taking the emotional L for years now, time to make them feel and act like sissies and entitled brats.
Lets be honest here, this nation is polarized but frankly there's no choice right now. We can all be civil and court the conservatives all we want but it doesn't make a difference because what the two groups believe is far too different now. About the only two things you could get conservatives and liberals to agree with is supporting big business and dropping bombs on foreigners, just the liberals at least want big business to give you a reach around and have differing views of which foreigners to bomb than conservatives.
Everything else is literally all for nothing. And being frank here, we do want to impose our will on them just as much as they do us. We have to if anything we want to do's to even make sense or work. You can't do climate policy, health care, immigration reform, or various issues like gay marriage or whatever without it affecting the whole nation.
Everything has devolved down to a team sport and like it or not that's the framework we operate in now. There is no more room for compromise when one side doesn't believe in government. You can't have meaningful debate as to how something should work when the other party doesn't believe the other things should, or even does, exist. Can't reform the EPA when one party wants it dissolved, can't combat institutional racism when the other party thinks we're post-racism, can't fight climate change when the other party doesn't believe it exists, going to be hard to fix healthcare when people think pre-Obamacare we had the best in the world and a great many people believe that those who can't afford it shouldn't be able to get it, can't have meaningful welfare discussions when the other side thinks anyone on welfare's a failure of a human being, and wrapping all of this up is that you can't really have a tax compromise when the other party wants the government to essentially be the three branches of government and the Department of Defense.
Even between people the other label's usually a slur, find me a conservative that's fine being labeled a liberal or vice-versa. We don't even need to jump to calling people Nazi's, racists and shit, honestly, most politically active people probably find being labeled a conservative or liberal just as nasty.
This is the country we're in now. One where the Republicans were rewarded for being obstructionists for 7 years, where they broke down government to a non-working state and stole a supreme court seat. Their supporters love the fact they did that by the way, they're not crying over constitutional procedure and shit they're cheering the fact their party held the line and kept a liberal from getting a Supreme Court seat but if the tables were reversed you know they'd be screaming bloody murder. And on our side we're cheering every judge we can that can give Trump a black eye right now.
Thing is you can't disarm now. Wish and pray things were less polarized all you want but now you either win or you lose, show up and play or forfeit. Things are only going to get nastier from here on out.
But back to the labels, they've been whining about liberals and their safe spaces long enough I think it's time they get challenged. I got no problems with people calling Trump supporters Nazis, they might as well be. And you see their reaction, liberals want a room in a college conservatives don't wanna go to anyway because they hate the educated elite, liberals want to allow an undocumented person to live in a liberal hive of scum of a city they don't wish to visit or live in, their answer's to take over it all. Fuck your safe space they want a safe country even if they don't plan on going to any of those places. Liberals have been taking the emotional L for years now, time to make them feel and act like sissies and entitled brats.
We're not talking about something that was in-between the lines. Trump's bigotry was front and fucking center, not to mention all the other disgusting shit about him that just wouldn't stop coming to the surface. And yet, apparently none of it was bad enough to these people.
Last I heard, a study showed that even the smartest people get nutty about politics. Which isn't inherently bad, but it's important to remember that every human can become a bit radical in political tension.
I have a problem with this. I voted for Hillary, but in a practically bipartisan system, you vote with compromise. You hope the shit you want gets passed and hope the shit you don't doesn't. It's not at all ideal, but it is what it is. The argument should be about the privilege and willful ignorance of feeling free to gamble with fascism. And my suggestion would be to consider that some people just don't see that as a realistic reality, or don't see the fascism at all.
I have a problem with this. I voted for Hillary, but in a practically bipartisan system, you vote with compromise. You hope the shit you want gets passed and hope the shit you don't doesn't. It's not at all ideal, but it is what it is. The argument should be about the privilege and willful ignorance of feeling free to gamble with fascism. And my suggestion would be to consider that some people just don't see that as a realistic reality, or don't see the fascism at all.
You still have to own it. At least they could admit that they voted for the racists, misogynists and whatever else. Instead we have posts like the OP excusing that as "ignorance", or the voters themselves shucking the cape of those descriptions.
This campaign's only consistent policy was hatred. Everything else changed daily, Ignorance of this facet is not an excuse.
shawnbuddy
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It might have cost her the election, but Hillary was right. Some Trump voters are in the "basket of deplorables," some are not. Some are just poorly informed, people who wanted an extreme shakeup for various reasons, people who bought into Hillary Hate, single issue above all voters, people fooled by Trump's promises, or general supporters of Republican policies who were over-optimistic that Trump would be a competent mainstream Republican.
Hillary is usually right. It's one of the main reasons people hate her some much. She'd have gotten so much farther by just telling pretty lies like Trump or spinning wild unworkable dreams like Bernie. No one wants reality.
Hillary is usually right. It's one of the main reasons people hate her some much. She'd have gotten so much farther by just telling pretty lies like Trump or spinning wild unworkable dreams like Bernie. No one wants reality.
When a candidate bases large parts of their campaign on the policies Trump promoted I don't think you get that luxury. Supporting Trump isn't the same as someone supporting Bush, McCain or Romney.
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