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Pro CS:GO Player Banned for VAC at 15 Years old
- Thread starter CraigerGamer
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artsi
Member
Yeah he didnt even cheat, what he did was equivalent of a NCAA player entering an amateur division game.
A slap on the wrist should be enough.
As far as the investigation was shady wtf is that supposed to mean? VAC bans dont go to trial, and theyre specifically designed to make the cheater unware of what triggered it.
There was reports of VAC bans finding their way from alt accounts to main accounts but those are specifically when hacks were use. So no I dont really buy that he was VAC banned for smurfing. You only get a game ban in those cases.
There was reports of VAC bans finding their way from alt accounts to main accounts but those are specifically when hacks were use. So no I dont really buy that he was VAC banned for smurfing. You only get a game ban in those cases.
I got VAC banned for logging into my account in a high school class where we built CS maps and such. Still no idea why.
I guess this means I'm disqualified from competing in CS:GO forever. Good to know!
How do you know that? VAC bans aren't delivered at the moment they decide you've done something ban worthy, they're delivered on a delay ranging from several hours to months. One thing is for sure with a VAC ban, and that it's that you weren't banned for whatever you were doing at the moment you got banned.
atomic moth
Member
Thanks.
It seems as though theres a lot of righteous jerkoffs in this thread who dont understand that documenting the answer to a common question is better than telling someone to google it over and over.
I also dont understand how creating an alt account is against the rules.
I'd have no problem with that.
I got VAC banned for logging into my account in a high school class where we built CS maps and such. Still no idea why.
I guess this means I'm disqualified from competing in CS:GO forever. Good to know!
Vac is a delay ban. It doesn't ban you automatically. Also in order for it to register you as someone cheating, something had to be run to open up cs.
Pro sports have traditionally dropped lifetime bans on people who have cheated, gambled, etc.
You could argue that a pro ball player might not lose his MLB job over somethng he did in little league - but esports don't really have "little league", so the line is blurry.
I think its a shame, but if esports want to be taken seriously and continue to grow, gotta no tolerance cheating, drugs, etc. (gambling is fine, gotta sell those loot boxes).
mullet2000
Member
This is stupid honestly. You can't hold someone to something someone did as a kid.
When I was 13 or 14 me and my friends use to go explore abandoned buildings in rural areas. One day a cop came and brought us to the police station because it's technically a b&e because someone owned the building/land. Basically gave us a warning by scaring it in to us not to do it anymore + called our parents.
Now, as an adult, should I have a break & entering charge on my criminal record?
When I was 13 or 14 me and my friends use to go explore abandoned buildings in rural areas. One day a cop came and brought us to the police station because it's technically a b&e because someone owned the building/land. Basically gave us a warning by scaring it in to us not to do it anymore + called our parents.
Now, as an adult, should I have a break & entering charge on my criminal record?
CraigerGamer
Member
He created an alt account and used cheats on it...allegedly.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
Scorned L takers started snitchin.
Hard stuff for someone who knows how to use the internet.
How do you receive an Valve Anti-Cheat System? The way op uses the word doesn't make sense and is obviously confusing.
I believe it's shorthand for VAC-ban. Although that doesn't make straight grammatical sense either. Eh, just roll with it I guess
In a sense sure. But sometimes they are just doing it to play with their friends in comp due their game ranks being dramatically different.
adversarial
Member
Some bullshit - when esports rules are more stringent than actual sports? Fuck out of here. Not to mention, it was when he was 15 years old, not even current.
I have never played CS or any other Valve game except in that class. I don't even own the game.
15 years old is easily old enough to realize your actions have long term consequences, it's only 3 years later lol. If he was actually cheating with aimbot or wall hacks, good for the lifetime ban. But I don't see the big deal of Smurf account, isn't that just someone using a second steam account to play a fresh game so you are playing with newbs?
Bill R Boggess
Member
Given that college scouts attend those games and make offers to the players based on their performances, I wouldn't necessarily say such a ban is unfair when considering those athletes who work for it just as hard and don't cheat.
What if that hypothetical kid took the spot and opportunity from some other kid he wouldn't have otherwise outperformed had he not been juicing?
Just a thought.
CraigerGamer
Member
I changed the OP to read he was banned ON a smurf account, not for having a smurf account. Hope this makes things more clear.
Well you shouldn't have gotten banned then. Unless you joined a game that has vac as their anticheat. It can only catch you, if you joined a server with vac.. So must of been a different game.
Checkmate. I told him to google it while providing the answer.
No need to derail a thread for a question easily answered by one's own abilities.
Appreciate the name calling. Good form.
ScaryShark
Banned
I don't think citing Shoeless Joe Jackson helps make your point. He was acquitted in a criminal trial and banned on the basis of one, shitty commissioner.Pro sports have traditionally dropped lifetime bans on people who have cheated, gambled, etc.
You could argue that a pro ball player might not lose his MLB job over somethng he did in little league - but esports don't really have "little league", so the line is blurry.
I think its a shame, but if esports want to be taken seriously and continue to grow, gotta no tolerance cheating, drugs, etc. (gambling is fine, gotta sell those loot boxes).
Anyways, you think gambling on the sport they are involved in, and potentially manipulating the results because of that gambling is similar to anything in this situation?
Also, two lifetime bans in a sport that existed professionally in the 1870s isn't really making your case either.
Nothing in this CS:GO situation evokes professional sports where the money and public attention are magnitudes greater.
The rule seems arbitrary, not well thought out and is exposed when dealing with cases like this.
AlephAlpha
Member
Don't they have limitation periods? Seems stupid.
pretty done
Member
Once a cheater always a cheater.
If people who threw a meaningless match get permabanned then cheating should always be a permaban.
If people who threw a meaningless match get permabanned then cheating should always be a permaban.
Atomic Playboy
Member
I think a lifetime ban is silly even if someone cheats during an actual professional event. Ban them for a year or two. If they do it again, ban them for five (which is pretty much a lifetime ban given the shelf life of pro gamers). Permanently banning someone retroactively for something they did outside of competitive play years ago is absurd. Who exactly was harmed by his actions? Did they impact ANYTHING in regards to an actual sanctioned professional competition? It's mandatory minimum sentencing run amok and it is the death of rational thought. I mean, I hate cheaters, and I don't understand why someone would do it (and 15 is old enough to know better regardless of professional aspirations). But I don't understand the mindset of brandishing someone with a scarlet letter permanently for a relatively innocuous thing. It's not like he killed someone, you know?
Jawmuncher
Member
That seems really odd. Different account, was years ago. Like this seems like a big stretch to me. To me this is like banning a player from a sport for smoking weed in high school.
Now if he was cheating when he is part of a team now on his actual account or cheating during some sort of tournament. Then yeah no mercy. But that isn't the case here.
Now if he was cheating when he is part of a team now on his actual account or cheating during some sort of tournament. Then yeah no mercy. But that isn't the case here.
atomic moth
Member
Haha. You sure did. Arent you just the sweetest.
Although if he looked it up then the answer would not have been documented, eh? So how about documenting the answer and being a little more cordial about it next time?
What do you say?
Hard stuff for someone who knows how to use the internet.
Absolutely!
I always try to include something that will force people to do google searches when I write. Because you know what? Clarity in writing is a crutch. Endless, impenetrable abbreviations are the future, yo.
Expecting others to convey their messages intelligibly is for the weak!
Conversely, it's not like a VAC ban is a prison sentence.
I assume this is one of those "turn up in person" tournaments, etc. So unless he gets plastic surgery or puts on a comedy fake mustache and glasses I don't think it'll help.
My only thought is whatever version of Steam was running on those PC's was messed with somehow. I remember we had more than just CS installed, there was Red Orchestra and some other ones... I thought it was weird that all 20ish PC's had a bunch of games already installed and that it worked. We would LAN every day in class. This was over 10 years ago so I don't remember many details.
But like I said, I don't actually own or play CS or any Valve games. I've used that account for 10 years and never been inconvenienced by the ban.
AlephAlpha
Member
This sentence holds no truth whatsoever.
LordRaptor
Member
Its just another account; the way most matchmaking works is it takes hundreds of not thousands of matches to calculate a numerical value for where your skill level 'should' be, and 'perfect' matchmaking is such that you are about 50-50 win/lose (because playing opponents at your skill level, you'd expect to win as many as you lose).
What some people do is create a new account, so - basically - they can curbstomp newbies and rise through the ranks rapidly, before the system can calculate accurately where they 'should' be.
I mean, there are plenty of legit reasons why you might have a second account, but its doing that that gives "smurfing" a bad name, because getting curbstomped by someone vastly better than you at a game isn't much fun for anyone except that one player, even their teammates who become basically superfluous.
ScaryShark
Banned
Conversely, you've taken away someone's source of income based on something they did 3 years ago and is irrelevant to the actual current competition.
Nah, fuck that line of logic, this isn't an action that did significant harm to others, nor damaged the competitive integrity of the sport. This is petty revenge being perpetrated by people power tripping, who are now trying to ruin a kids future in a field that is already extremely risky. While kids are responsible for their actions, not all actions can be treated the same way. Doing so is like trying to treat a kid caught with weed the same way as a kid who murdered a classmate.
Atomic Playboy
Member
Exactly. So why can't we forgive his transgression instead of getting this "once a cheater, always a cheater" mentality?
Conversely, they're taking up a slot for someone else to make a source of income who didn't cheat. So hey ho.
Because it doesn't just affect the cheater. Why should they be free to act with impunity when people who stuck it out honestly get left out in the cold? Much like major sports, it sets an abysmal example for people to follow. Don't worry about taking shortcuts, it'll blow over and you can get right back to it.
This checks out then. VAC bans are meant to be a ban on that person, not that account. He cheated on one account thereby all his accounts are at risk.
I like how people are like well "people cheat in so and so event and get away with it so why shouldn't this kid". How about instead of just accepting the fact that people cheat and get away with it, you hold people accountable like what is being done here? Sucks for him that he's banned but maybe he shouldn't have cheated in the first place.
You do you and I'll do me. If you still have an issue then feel free to use the ignore button.
Sounds like your complaints would be better addressed to the OP.
ScaryShark
Banned
Can you tell me how a smurf account effects this competition?
Probably not to be honest since VAC has a lot of other meanings. I was kind of shocked the article didn't mention what it stood for anywhere.