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Stilton Disco
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(07-10-2017, 12:09 AM)
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Originally Posted by Playsage

The first real time demo of the game was from the PS4 Pro showcase, right? That was not an amazing looking game.

The first glimpse we got was the leaked alpha footage which featured an unfinished cutscene that arguably looks better than the original game

I'm sure there was a sneak peak of it at an E3 before that wasn't there? Showed the nomad driving around a desert world and daddy Ryder's N7 armour?

And as was posted above, the PS4PRO event footage still looked noticeably better than what we actually got.
Bits N Pieces
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(07-10-2017, 12:10 AM)
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Looking at what Battlefront 2 is looking like then I actually think Anthem is going to achieve what we've seen from it so far.
Alexander DeLarge
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(07-10-2017, 12:10 AM)
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Originally Posted by Squire

How many times are y'all going to do this with Frostbite games only to be proven wrong?

Seriously. Everyone says this every time a new Frostbite game is revealed. Graphically it will meet up to expectations. The "open world Destiny" part? Nah.
LiquidSolid
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(07-10-2017, 12:10 AM)
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Dragon Age: Inquisition and Mass Effect Andromeda were both downgraded, so I'd say it's highly likely.
Kenzodielocke
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(07-10-2017, 12:13 AM)

Originally Posted by Bits N Pieces

Looking at what Battlefront 2 is looking like then I actually think Anthem is going to achieve what we've seen from it so far.

Didn't know DICE were developing this. :P
Snefer
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(07-10-2017, 12:13 AM)

Originally Posted by bluexy

Not typically the demos they use for press conferences or showfloor demos , no. But for Judge's week stuff and BCD demos...

cant say I have heard of that being target renders either tbh :) Target renders are mostly kept inhouse or between the dev and publisher.
LeleSocho
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(07-10-2017, 12:13 AM)
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Who's the fool that thinks it will NOT get a downgrade?
Shredderi
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(07-10-2017, 12:14 AM)
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Yes.
paragonpro
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(07-10-2017, 12:14 AM)
Almost assuredly, id like to be proven wrong though. The reason i love bioware games though is the characters, hell even adromeda had a great cast of team mates, so hopefully that isnt lost in the loot game and the single player still has its roots in bioware rpg character goodness. Andromeda wasnt a great looking game neither was inquisition (though it had great art direction) i dont think frostbite was meant to handle open world rpg's of that nature.
Isak_Borg
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(07-10-2017, 12:14 AM)
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I seriously doubt it because Bioware/EA need a big win after the Mass Effect debacle.

I could see them delaying it a bit for extra polish but think it's an important title for them going forward, hopefully they learned from ME:Andromeda.

Graphics don't worry me at this point but I am worried about them nailing the gameplay on a title like this. Destiny and The Division had a lot of growing pains, and don't think they've made a game in this style before so worried they might screw the pooch.
ktroopa
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(07-10-2017, 12:14 AM)
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As positively proved already this generation im fauK sure a downgrade is certain.
Playsage
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(07-10-2017, 12:15 AM)
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Originally Posted by Stilton Disco

I'm sure there was a sneak peak of it at an E3 before that wasn't there? Showed the nomad driving around a desert world and daddy Ryder's N7 armour?

And as was posted above, the PS4PRO event footage still looked noticeably better than what we actually got.

It was not a real time demo, though
spazchicken
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(07-10-2017, 12:16 AM)
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On consoles, of course. Don't be stupid.

If you own a GTX 1080, there is a chance that maybe the end game will end up looking like the initial trailers.
angelic
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(07-10-2017, 12:16 AM)
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Originally Posted by Leafhopper

I still doubt that was even gameplay tbh.

I agree, the trailer looks fake as hell. This flight to water transition for example, this isnt running in real time and being played by anyone. I think its all prerendered with watertight NDAs in place.

visiblemode
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(07-10-2017, 12:21 AM)
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100% likely to be downgraded, imo.
Lovely Salsa
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(07-10-2017, 12:21 AM)
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Originally Posted by angelic

I agree, the trailer looks fake as hell. This flight to water transition for example, this isnt running in real time and being played by anyone. I think its all prerendered with watertight NDAs in place.

Wasnt there someone on neogaf that has seen it played live for the trailer?
HeWhoWalks
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(07-10-2017, 12:22 AM)
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Originally Posted by Lovely Salsa

Wasnt there someone on neogaf that has seen it played live for the trailer?

Would be pure gold if that's true!
ronaldthump
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(07-10-2017, 12:24 AM)
frostbite though. I'd say marginally so.
Ehker
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(07-10-2017, 12:24 AM)

Originally Posted by Lovely Salsa

Wasnt there someone on neogaf that has seen it played live for the trailer?

The camera work isn't natural. And though it's possible they prepared and moved the camera down that way, in the end, it's an E3 trailer. We need to see it for real.
Iscariot
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(07-10-2017, 12:24 AM)
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Isn't this question sort of directly tied to "Do you think Anthem will be delayed significantly?"

If it gets pushed back to 2019, do we start to consider PS5/XBO X2 as launch possibilities?
Allnamestakenlol
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(07-10-2017, 12:24 AM)
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Blah blah... Vertical slice... Something something.

Annoying, but 99% guaranteed.

Do any developers actually achieve their vertical slice aspirations?
leeh
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(07-10-2017, 12:25 AM)
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NeoGAF, the depression of gaming.

Seriously, what's up with everyone? The game was clarified to be running on a 1X with CBR; pop-in is seen in the trailer and you all still claim it's rendered on a stupid PC.
Atheerios
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(07-10-2017, 12:26 AM)
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Yeah, it will be remembered as another Watch Dogs-level downgrade.
angelic
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(07-10-2017, 12:26 AM)
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Originally Posted by Lovely Salsa

Wasnt there someone on neogaf that has seen it played live for the trailer?

If im wrong fair enough, it just looks far too slick for a real game, theres no way they have something running to that level of fidelity.

Neither would any player be controlling the camera in that perfectly smooth swoop. It aint real gameplay, no chance.
Pops Maellard
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(07-10-2017, 12:26 AM)
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Originally Posted by angelic

I agree, the trailer looks fake as hell. This flight to water transition for example, this isnt running in real time and being played by anyone. I think its all prerendered with watertight NDAs in place.

Did anyone in this thread watch the Digital Foundry analysis? If this was faked, they put a ton of effort into making it look like it was running on actual hardware.

Disclaimer: Anthem gameplay was a huuuuuge turnoff for me and I have zero I interest in the game. That said, p sure the footage is legit.
LukasTaves
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(07-10-2017, 12:27 AM)
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If it's really running on an xbonex, I think there would be no downgrades. Unless this is a *very* disingenuous vertical slice, for instance forcing the demo on a linear path, instead of fully open to crank up the fidelity.

Originally Posted by napata

Vertical slices are rendered real time but that doesn't mean the game will look on par with the vertical slice. The Witcher 3 & Watch Dogs were also real time but didn't look like their vertical slices at all.

But they were vertical slices aimed for PCs, more powerful than both consoles ended up being.

Supposedly this is a vertical slice running on a xbonex already.
Ehker
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(07-10-2017, 12:27 AM)

Originally Posted by leeh

NeoGAF, the depression of gaming.

Seriously, what's up with everyone? The game was clarified to be running on a 1X with CBR, pop-in is seen in the trailer and you all still claim it's rendered on a stupid PC.

You have a clear bias to want to believe in this E3 trailer, but we've seen too many reasons not to by now.
Vincent Alexander
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(07-10-2017, 12:28 AM)
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If this game looks this great when it gets released, I'll chop off my left dick.
Bedameister
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(07-10-2017, 12:28 AM)
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Of course
Marvel
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(07-10-2017, 12:29 AM)
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Pro version maybe, PC and X will look killer.
Dreams-Visions
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(07-10-2017, 12:29 AM)
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Definitely getting downgraded.

Hopefully the PC version will retain some of these extra niceties.
Khaos Kontrol
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(07-10-2017, 12:30 AM)
I think it'll look like that on PC/XBX/(maybe) PS4P.

The OG PS4/XB1 won't produce those visuals.
HeWhoWalks
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(07-10-2017, 12:31 AM)
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Originally Posted by Marvel

Pro version maybe, PC and X will look killer.

The One X version may have some slight advantages, but they won't be so substantial to the degree of a blowout.
meppi
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(07-10-2017, 12:32 AM)
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Originally Posted by Vincent Alexander

If this game looks this great when it gets released, I'll chop off my left dick.

Now that's a vertical slice I'd like to see for myself.
Spartancarver
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(07-10-2017, 12:33 AM)
Frostbite gives me hope, but then Bioware subtracts some of that hope.

At the very least I don't think it'll be an Ubisoft or Gearbox level downgrade.

Maybe the PC version will be able to get close to what was shown at E3 at least.
velociraptor
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(07-10-2017, 12:33 AM)
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Originally Posted by Vincent Alexander

If this game looks this great when it gets released, I'll chop off my left dick.

you have two dicks?
Mr. Nice_Guy
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(07-10-2017, 12:34 AM)
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Originally Posted by Sjefen



Yepp team downgrade.

One of the examples that should always come to everyone's mind during E3 presentations.
Vincent Alexander
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(07-10-2017, 12:35 AM)
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Originally Posted by velociraptor

you have two dicks?

Am I not supposed to?
HeWhoWalks
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(07-10-2017, 12:35 AM)
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Originally Posted by Mr. Nice_Guy

One of the examples that should always come to everyone's mind during E3 presentations.

Regarding an Ubisoft game, sure.
chrisPjelly
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(07-10-2017, 12:35 AM)
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Without an ounce of doubt, YES.

Honestly, what do we even gain from not expecting everything to be downgraded? Almost everything that was showcased from this generation has been downgraded in some substantial way (including Uncharted 4, bite me). If it does reach that level of polish on launch day, THEN I'll give it the hype it deserves, but I'm too cynical to be blatantly marketed to like this so many times. I'm just hoping the gameplay is as seamless as it's presenting itself to be it won't
v1oz
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(07-10-2017, 12:36 AM)
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Originally Posted by Ovek

The lighting engine will be nerfed in to oblivion.

This
Vigilant Walrus
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(07-10-2017, 12:36 AM)
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Originally Posted by Snefer

I have worked on 20+ AAA games, I am fully aware of the work involved in E3 demos :) Its not at all by definition target renders. A target render is when you make a non-realtime render, and then you try to achieve that visual quality, its quite different. Sometimes that is being presented at E3 and is indeed a fake demo, but thats rarer than people on gaming forums think.

I think we're talking past each other here. I am not talking about a target renderer as in a Killzone 2 demo showing, I'm talking about polishing parts of a game prematurely for marketing and promotional purposes on a trade show.


Also, 20+ AAA games is a lot of games under your belt. Holy cow! I don't work in the games industry, but have worked a lot with software, and usually what we'd do is that we'd go out of our way to polish up a part of the app to show the client how it would feel across the spectrum.
it helps give the client a good idea of how the entire finished product could look like.

But of course it's only a tiny bit we've built, and we don't always are able to hit that level of quality across every aspect of the software, but we do try, and my experience has been that it's a motivator.
I just assumed it would be the same on many development teams.
Mubrik
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(07-10-2017, 12:37 AM)
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On console (ps4/xbone)
Fuck yes.
Not a downgrade tho (Should be possible on PC?), technically what we've seen wasn't running on both consoles, no way.
leeh
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(07-10-2017, 12:38 AM)
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Originally Posted by Ehker

You have a clear bias to want to believe in this E3 trailer, but we've seen too many reasons not to by now.

Such as? Cause that DF article came to a very solid conclusion.

Bias with who? Ubisoft? Bioware?
Aztechnology
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(07-10-2017, 12:38 AM)
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It's a certainty.
Gunslinger
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(07-10-2017, 12:39 AM)
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Is it running on frostbite engine? If yes good chance it can look as good. If no then very good chance for a downgrade. was the demo running on PC? If so I expect medium-low setting on vanilla Xbox one and PS4. And medium with couple of high settings on Xbox one x and ps4pro.
DevilDog
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(07-10-2017, 12:39 AM)
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I really don't see what is so graphically impressive about this, it's just good resource management.

Plus, the frostbite engine is made to look good and to fuck everything else. I don't expect a downgrade, only a change in graphics, maybe.

That storm looked annoying as hell for gameplay.
Snefer
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(07-10-2017, 12:41 AM)

Originally Posted by Vigilant Walrus

I think we're talking past each other here. I am not talking about a target renderer as in a Killzone 2 demo showing, I'm talking about polishing parts of a game prematurely for marketing and promotional purposes on a trade show.


Also, 20+ AAA games is a lot of games under your belt. Holy cow! I don't work in the games industry, but have worked a lot with software, and usually what we'd do is that we'd go out of our way to polish up a part of the app to show the client how it would feel across the spectrum.
it helps give the client a good idea of how the entire finished product could look like.

But of course it's only a tiny bit we've built, and we don't always are able to hit that level of quality across every aspect of the software, but we do try, and my experience has been that it's a motivator.
I just assumed it would be the same on many development teams.

Yeah, alright then :) Its just that target render tend to mean something else in a game production, is all. But yes, E3 demos are prematurely polished. If done well its a benefit to the game, if done in a bad way its a timesink. Hehe, yeah I managed to put my fingers into a lot of games over the years.
Ehker
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(07-10-2017, 12:41 AM)

Originally Posted by leeh

Such as? Cause that DF article came to a very solid conclusion.

Bias with who? Ubisoft? Bioware?

Xbox, obviously! You know that.

And DF isn't always the best source, since they also said Watch_Dogs delivered on the promise of its initial E3 2012 trailer. That's a hard claim to take.

It's time to get wiser to these E3 trailers, don't you think? Wait for real gameplay.
leeh
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(07-10-2017, 12:45 AM)
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Originally Posted by Ehker

Xbox, obviously! You know that.

And DF isn't always the best source, since they also said Watch_Dogs delivered on the promise of its initial E3 2012 trailer. That's a hard claim to take.

So because I said DF came to a solid conclusion that its running realtime on a 1X I'm bias towards Xbox? K. Great conclusion jump.

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