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Touch Arcade vs. NeoGAF
- Thread starter Ignis Fatuus
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Jive Turkey
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah I found that odd too.
"You kids today with your Kickstarters and your Facebooks... Back in my day if you wanted to talk to someone you had to ask Siri to call them!"
charlequin
Banned
I find it really charming how everyone is suddenly an ROI hardliner (and a backseat investment genius) when Kickstarter comes up. It's cute, like when everyone's dad was suddenly a day trader with an eTrade account and a $500 portfolio in 1998.
Haha, that was definitely my dad in 1998.
It depends on the project. There are multiple examples on the site for each KS project and each project should have a clearly written out explanation of what your donation goes to, where they are at, and their goals with the money.
I remember one project pushed by Penny Arcade where the gentlemen was good at making the brilliant set pieces for table top gaming. He has made pieces before and was planning on going into his own business. However, he needed the funds to purchase the professional lazer cutter and software to get the business off the ground. So your donation was actually buying a future product at a discount and he was going to use the cash to get the lazer. Everybody wins.
Just look around the site. It's a fantastic was to generate cash for something that's a bit too niche for a bank or publisher to give you the funds for.
EDIT: NeoGAF is a cesspool of people who hate games, are unemployed, generally uneducated, and worst of all ENTITLED. We really are disgusting, I'm glad we finally know.
Excuse me, I need to listen to Crawling on loop when I play emulated sonic and drink Game Fuel Mountain Dew and eat Cheetos.
dream
Member
I don't think there's much I can say about TouchArcade that other people haven't already mentioned. I'm just completely at a loss, though, when trying to figure out what Hodapp's agenda is. I can understand someone taking a stance against Kickstarter and its ilk on principle but this seems like several steps over the wacky line.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
I'm skeptical of this particular project.. the Wasteland 2 one.. no.
I understand why the Wasteland 2 would be hard to fun the standard way, it's not a guaranteed money maker. It's risky.
This project though.. not so sure of that.
piratepwnsninja
Member
My dad didn't know how to operate a computer.
Anyway, stuff like this really yanks my chain.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
I know what it's for, clearly. I'm saying that some seem to be using it for the wrong reasons.
Jasper Avenue
Member
Eli Hodapp is an idiot. Just take a look at his Twitter stream and you'll see what I mean. Rape jokes, entitlement, whining - the list goes on.
piratepwnsninja
Member
The question is, what is there to be skeptical about? Payton is a known developer and has known developers working for him. I guess the price tag on it could be throwing some people off, but NEWSFLASH, big production games aren't cheap to make and this has the look of a big production, regardless of platform.
Yeah, I don't think anyone is saying the site should reverse their stance on Kickstarter games. Its just the way this fellow has gone about it that is in very poor form.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
I have no idea what this game is nor who any of these people are but based off those few tweets if somebody links me I'll get around to putting a few dollars into the kickstarter
So what you're 'donating' for is a few things
1) Better chance for them to receive additional funding from outside investors
2) Ensuring that they retain a more freedom to make the game they want to make. While this may not sound like much, if you know who the developers are then you can get a better sense of what this means and how important this would be to you.
3) You still get the game at the end of it.
Now I don't think that they're using kickstart inappropriately or misleadingly, but hey, that's just like my opinion man.
Well, it's a pretty poor stance to begin with.
It's one thing to say "Kickstarter may be a good idea to pool your money towards a few projects, but beware as there's a chance it may be a fruitless endeavor. Do your research first, as you would with any financial decision."
Versus, "Kickstarter is what's wrong with this current generation. Instead of these developers working to get the money themselves, they're begging for it. It's akin to the homeless on the street begging for change. Like the homeless, they should be left to crawl for their next meal or die, not have it handed to them from random peoples generosity. It's disguising, and a prime example of how entitled this sad excuse for a generation feels."
I'm just boggled. Kickstater, quite literally, cannot hurt him personally or professionally so I don't see the rage behind his opinion.
Honestly, he made a fairly decent point about Kickstarter. But I don't see what he gets so... venomous in subsequent posts. He seems like he REALLY does not want the project to get off the ground, which is too bad because the concept seemed cool. I don't understand why he wants this one project to fail.
Well, it's my understanding that a vast majority of kickstarters promise to give you a copy of whatever it is they're making as a thank you for a reasonable donation. Often times there are more "exclusive" stuff tied to larger donations. It's not simply giving money for nothing, in many cases it works more like a pre-purchase.
... power? power of what.
^ I think he meant "influence".
This is what I was sorta trying to say in my previous post in not so many words.
PedroLumpy
Member
If you make a reasonable effort to try and understand something, people won't make fun of you.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
They're now $15 closer to their goal.
Surely some guy going on an illogical rant about Kickstarter (I agree it can be and probably already is being abused in some cases, but holy hell is his lemonade stand analogy ridiculous) bringing this project more attention be a good thing in the long run, right?
dream
Member
Right. Has he exhibited this much anger and vitriol towards other Kickstarter projects?
ElRenoRaven
Member
I was reading that thread. I'm not a fan of Kickstarter myself and couldn't care less about the game but the Touch Arcade guy is just a piece of shit. That simple. I don't go into kickstarter threads and shit all over them because I know others support them and I'm cool with that. It's their choice and right to.
However to actively root against them and act like a complete and utter child is just bullshit. Almost makes me want to donate to this kickstarter just to piss the shithead off.
However to actively root against them and act like a complete and utter child is just bullshit. Almost makes me want to donate to this kickstarter just to piss the shithead off.
Neuromancer
Member
:lol @ 'shitfarter'
This guys hilarious
This guys hilarious
DICKS AHOY
Banned
That's what I did! I seriously can't believe how angry this guy is getting over Kickstarter.
outunderthestars
Banned
Especially when you run a site that deals with products that are being funded using Kickstarter.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Kickstarter is cool for projects that would not exist without it, but i guess i'm just generally skeptical about people and money and wonder how much people are just using KS as a means of getting free money instead of loaning from investors so that they can cut the costs and make more profit.
I mean how hard could it be to get a million bucks from publisher to do a Wasteland game which has a big cult following and give it a try. A million is not a lot to lose if you have a chance of reviving an IP, considering that publishers are putting tens of millions to stuff like X-Com and Syndicate.
I mean how hard could it be to get a million bucks from publisher to do a Wasteland game which has a big cult following and give it a try. A million is not a lot to lose if you have a chance of reviving an IP, considering that publishers are putting tens of millions to stuff like X-Com and Syndicate.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
Uhmmmm. I'll just say this: the TouchArcade dude who's hating on NeoGAF now, not even last week was begging one of our iOS |OT| regulars to ask a mod/admin to get approved since he had been waiting to become a junior for a long time and really wanted to get approved.
So you can even add that to the OP, if you want.
There's proof this is true btw, it's all laid out in the Touch Gaming Thread 4.
Edit: here:
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=37205770
POSTED on April 24th
(DISCLAIMER: wiiflare is a good sport and a nice member, he just wanted to help out, it's not like he knew this whole deal)
So you can even add that to the OP, if you want.
There's proof this is true btw, it's all laid out in the Touch Gaming Thread 4.
Edit: here:
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=37205770
POSTED on April 24th
(DISCLAIMER: wiiflare is a good sport and a nice member, he just wanted to help out, it's not like he knew this whole deal)
wiiflare said:
wilflare said:
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Publishers don't hand out a few million to every worthy idea, plus at least one project there, X-Com, seems to have been mired in publisher and developer politics for years. Dev hell. Or big publishers refuse to give people want they want to see with IPs... see the trials and tribulations of Shadowrun.
There's definitely a big attraction to the notion that authentically talented game devs can go directly "to the people" and crowdsource the development of the niche and mid-range games that the audience wants to see.
Another point I've seen raised is that if Kickstarter turns into a significant force for this, it could grab the attention of publishers and remind them that there is, in fact, a market for the mid-range product.
chickdigger802
Banned
Must be confusing neogaf with gafgold.
billy beane
Banned
It's sad to see that the game probably will not be funded. It seemed promising. The only problem is I don't like playing games on my iPhone very often, so I wasn't too interested in it until they announced the PC and Mac versions.
This guy seems pretty lame though. Doesn't surprise me since he works at Touch Arcade though.
Also, as someone said earlier, it's stupid to think we don't buy games. We buy too many games, and never play them. That's the problem I see most Gaffers, including myself, having.
This guy seems pretty lame though. Doesn't surprise me since he works at Touch Arcade though.
Also, as someone said earlier, it's stupid to think we don't buy games. We buy too many games, and never play them. That's the problem I see most Gaffers, including myself, having.
And the story takes another turn for the hilarious.
Jeez, what is that guy's problem.
billy beane
Banned
I was just about to make a joke on how he probably hates GAF because his account hasn't been approved, but wow. What a joke.
So he's bitter that he isn't important enough to get special treatment / fast tracked through approval...
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
So he is just pissed that his account is not approved? lol!
billy beane
Banned
But he's the editor in chief of the biggest website covering the future of video games. Who else is more important than him?
/sarcasm
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
I blame myself for keeping the tradition of naming it iPhone iPad iPod Touch Gaming Thread.
I guess that is too difficult to catch for him. Knowing TA, he'd probably rate our thread only 4.5 out of 5 stars.