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New nano tech to improve datatransfers inside game consoles by 1000x was invented
- Thread starter maniac-kun
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Correct me if I'm wrong but as I understand it, bus speeds are not the main issue in consoles but the slow CPUs and GPUs. Improving data transfer between them is not going to solve that issue if even right now for example PCI-E bus speeds (e.g. x8 vs x16) don't really matter even on PCs.
sandkiller
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Awesome... and now we wait how long until it's implemented?
GenericUser
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Dead
Vindicator
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unlimited detail
Red Liquorice
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ftfy.
Nah, it's only the same as moving you're internet from a copper line to fiber, just on a board instead.
Sounds like this is for anything which is similar to a PC, not just consoles. I can imagine for big networking kit (infrastructure routers), this could be big.
Yeah, if it's not out for another a decade or so it will be.
Wait, what? The speed of electrons in metal is relatively low, but the speed at which information travels through the wire (electromagnetic waves) is about a third of the light speed in a vacuum. Just using optical connections won't make the information travel 1000 times faster. Optical has just better attenuation properties making the signal travel longer without loss and offers a higher bandwidth for lower power. That's why it is the preffered choice in the global internet system. Maybe I should try to look up the research paper because this news post isn't telling anything useful.
Charles Brandon
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yeah right because all the good inventions came from Australia. I'll believe it when I see it Bruce!
Geoff out
please note: this is intended as good natured piss-taking. I respect Australia and her citizens, who are now mostly law-abiding.
Geoff out
please note: this is intended as good natured piss-taking. I respect Australia and her citizens, who are now mostly law-abiding.
Yeah, that and with the focus on gaming consoles, makes the entire statement seem slightly off kilter.
Then there is also the part about routing telecom signals, which don't usually carry bit level signals without some form of modulation.
The ceiling to improving stability cannot be reached with one leap
It's an ongoing process
OfTheOverflow
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Hold your horses; who let these engineers out of the coal industry? We don't value your fancy-pants electrical devices in this country boyo. Coal is the future.
LelouchZero
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This is cool if real.
First reply on point
Well played.
Nitpicker_Red
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The "1000x" in the thread title is either bait or satire.
NoMoreTrolls
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??? I see Australia and Germany in the article. What is this post? This is neither relevant nor clever.
Winner haha
What? Why?
stan423321
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Uh, what copper wires again?
I guess the idea here is that if you have separate processors you have a better connection bus between them. But consoles ended up with singular main SoCs since that was cheaper and not due to performance reasons, as seen with PCs using those copper interfaces and getting better results all the time. So I'm not sure where is this supposed to go. RAM and memory drives are slow anyway.
I guess the idea here is that if you have separate processors you have a better connection bus between them. But consoles ended up with singular main SoCs since that was cheaper and not due to performance reasons, as seen with PCs using those copper interfaces and getting better results all the time. So I'm not sure where is this supposed to go. RAM and memory drives are slow anyway.
Theonik
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Using optic fiber instead of copper in board/computer designs is not a new idea IBM had developed it a couple of years ago. It's not very cost effective for consoles to use though.
MilkyJoe
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You watch this find it's way into Patcher PS5 thread...
There is a paradigm that is being looked at at the moment which is to split highly parallel processors into chiplets, each with independent memory pools. You can look at it as a more robust version of what AMD is doing with their CPUs right now. A very fast bus between these chiplets would certainly be a boon to inter chiplet communication, both from the perspective of throughput and power consumption of the SiP (system in a package).
Graphics Horse
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Eh?
Well I think this is the one,
http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/3/7/e1700007
Maybe someone can make sense of the actual paper
Well I think this is the one,
http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/3/7/e1700007
Maybe someone can make sense of the actual paper
Crazymoogle
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From what little the article says, the invention is a photonic antenna, so routing signals between busses extremely fast at very small distances. So maybe an ultra wide bus to L2 cache or something? You still need copper on both ends because this is only a relay...
The console part is wishful thinking because this is only useful to a Foundry. If Intel can find a way to reproduce in large amounts, or something. To Nintendo or Sony it's worth about as much as it is to us.
Just a few because even though you're joking, you probably don't appreciate the extent of Aussie inventions.
Agriculture and food
Fire-stick farming
Boomerang
Australian merino
Ridley wheat stripper
Harrison's mechanical refrigeration
Granny Smith apple
Peppin merino
Ammonia refrigeration to freeze meat for export
Stump-jump plough
McKay stripper-harvester
Wolseley shearing machine
Federation wheat
McKay Sunshine header-harvester
Howard Rotavator rotary hoe
Vegemite
Nematodes for pest control, by CSIRO
Nogall pest control for fruit trees and roses
Pink Lady apple
Communication and IT
Pre-paid postage
Secret ballot, introduced in Victoria in 1856
Automatic totalisator
School of the Air
Cochlear implant
Mountbatten Brailler
Eddie special effects software
Ericsson's phone queuing system
Passport security
WiFi, a spin-off from CSIRO's radio-astronomy research
GiFi, NICTA's gigabit wireless chip
Jira, collaborative workplace software by Atlassian
Energy and environment
Goldfields Water Supply Scheme
Cactoblastis moth for biological control of prickly pear
Snowy Mountains Scheme
Flat plate solar hot water system
Rib Loc pipes
Clean Up Australia (and the World)
Buried contact solar cell
Orbital Combustion Process engine
Evacuated tube solar hot water system
Cap-XX capacitors to power mobile devices
H2Zero, Caroma's waterless urinal
Earth Hour
CSIRO ultrabattery
Ausra large-scale solar thermal system
Health
Tea-tree oil disinfectant
Flying Doctor Service
Penicillin
Begg orthodontic braces
Microsurgery
Grey-scale ultrasound
Resmed breathing aids to treat sleep apnoea
IVF embryo freezing
Relenza influenza medication
Spray-on skin for burns victims
Gardasil cervical cancer vaccine
Peptic ulcer treatment with antibiotics
Compumedics devices for sleep diagnosis
Signostics hand-held ultrasound
Starpharma dendrimers
Household and clothing
Brick veneer construction
Speedo swimwear
Shepherd castors
Hills hoist
Victa lawnmower
CSIRO wool technology
Caroma dual flush toilet
Balarinji designs
Leisure
Didgeridoo
Feature length movie, the world's first being The Story of the Kelly Gang
Surf lifesaving movement
Fairlight music synthesiser
Super Sopper for drying sports fields
Racecam
Water Cube
Mining and manufacturing
Froth flotation to separate ores
Humespun pipe
Continuous refining of lead
Warman slurry pump
Isasmelt process to win metals from ores
Coalscan rapid analysis of coal
Jameson Cell for mineral separation
Polymer banknote
Whittle mine planning software
Kelsey centrifugal jig for mineral separation
RAFT process for precise production of polymer molecules
Research
X-ray crystallography
Flame ionisation detector for gas chromatography
Atomic absorption spectrophotometer
Australia Telescope
Gradiflow for separating proteins
Transport
Michell thrust bearing
Black box flight recorder
Baby safety capsule
Bishop variable ratio steering
Audio-tactile pedestrian detector
Sydney Coordinated Adaptive Traffic System
Wave-piercing catamaran
Solar Sailor
Thompson coupling
metareferential
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Faster bus while streaming installed data from an ancient hdd. xd
You should learn more about Australian politics and its own quaint obsession with burning coal.
OT - I'd always pegged photonics as being an area of computing that was likely to remain in the rarefied realm of government, military & corporate supercomputing, so tech that could make it more available is welcome, but I'm not buying that multiple at all.
Caramello - you forgot waterproof money...
Apparantly it covers a seperation technique through the use of selecting polarized light, and implements this as a demultiplexer. It never states this 1000 times faster traveling of information. The article on the website is total bullshit compared to the paper, did a normal journalist write the article?
Their research is related to on-chip optical networks. Not chip-to-chip / board-level networks. This is not clear from the excerpt, but here is the actual paper:
http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/3/7/e1700007
I imagine that the reason game consoles are being used as an example is because they are high-performance SoCs with high bandwidth between processors on the same chip.
Graphics Horse
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God knows, the article is written on behalf of the university, maybe they thought they could get more coverage like this.
The paper the article is based on has been published in a 178 year old academic journal with a peer review, so it's not complete bollocks, even of the article is.