Shhh, we are in austerity....
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UK General Election 2017 |OT2| No Government is better than a bad Government
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Shhh, we are in austerity....
Darkstorne
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Hehe. The way I see it, we've got two years of a shit economy and media/entertainment bias against Brexit to make the public support a referendum on the Brexit deal. Take the shitty deal the Tories have arranged, or stay in the EU? Public opinion can change drastically in two years. And a lot of Brexit supporters will have died anyway =P
That's the dream, but I'm too jaded/pessimistic cynical to see it happening. Not when we've had so many months of the government marching gleefully into the eye of the storm with their fingers in the ears, muttering 'Brexit means Brexit' and 'will of the people' to themselves, never to question their course. I just can't see the u-turn coming.
This is just depressing. This is the kind of thing the house of lords should be there to put a stop to.
Theonik
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I am well aware. EU citizens don't have to do that for the UK, which, depending on your perspective is a good thing! Until Theresa May took over and decided to instead make everyone's life really awkward.
GrizzleBoy
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Which is probably why the daily mail was working pretty hard get chomping morons talking about abolishing them during the referendum.
the money is going to go to invest in northern ireland though, right? that's still part of the UK. i mean maybe it's disproportionate or the places it is going to aren't right (with the DUP i assume they won't be), but it isn't like theresa may just took a billion out of the tax fund and put it in arlene foster's pocket.
Well, they did piss 500 million up the wall for some heating thing and I think they are corrupt as well so I wouldn't bet on it.
From the other side's point of view, you could make the argument that out of all the parties the Conservatives feel best poised to form at least some semblance of government. Let's suppose the DUP abstained; assuming a progressive-alliance, Labour would still be well short of seats required for a majority. Any minority government they formed would face opposition at every turn.
So the only choices are to ally with the DUP and give in to their demands, or call a general election. We've already delayed Brexit negotiations, and there's the risk that a new election could still result in political turmoil. All that is putting aside the fact that many Conservatives truly believe that their world view is better for the country than Labour's, even if their perspective on what constitutes 'better for the country' is morally questionable.
I don't blame the Tories at all for getting in bed with the DUP, they have no other choice. That doesn't mean I'll delight any less in the inevitable fallout.
Royal_Phalanx
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Osborne having the time of his life
The private healthcare advert is a sign of the times we live in.
anonymous_abc
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Anyone listen to the last dead ringers?
Master negotiator David Davis. Xd
Master negotiator David Davis. Xd
anonymous_abc
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I've been seeing more and more new hospital and private healthcare ads around London lately. The writing it literally on the wall.
HazySaiyan
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But there's no magic money tree, just remember that
GrizzleBoy
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Miles Quaritch
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I get the magic money tree complaint, but we really need to move past it and call the Tories on why they claim there's no money for public services, but they always seem to find money for things that further advance their goals.
Some tough conversations need to be had, but the current state of journalism in this country means no-one will ask the relevant questions or push for answers if they do.
GrizzleBoy
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I'm beginning to wonder if austerity was simply the Tories saving up to pay for a Brexit bill.
HazySaiyan
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I think that's why people are referencing the 'magic money tree' comment again, it's conveneient that they don't have money for health and social care, the welfare system etc. but can pull £1.5bn out of a hat when it suits them. That comment looks even worse now; not only was it callous it now looks hypocritical.
CyclopsRock
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You know that the money isn't actually going to the DUP, right? It's being spent as public spending, just like all the things you listed.
But the fact still remains that the Tories are dedicating 1.5 billion to public spending in NI after condescendingly telling everyone there is no magic money tree.
like all the money a charity gets?
You have staff to pay
You have buildings to maintain
You have cars to maintain
You need a big Headquarter
You need advertising on how to donate to you
You need advertising on how you will spend your money
You need to throw donation parties and galas
A tragedy how little of the money you can spend finally on the things you got the money for. A real tragedy *shakinghead*
CadetMahoney
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I was talking to someone about how May's offer, it's quite deceptive to what some people believe, it's only a guarantee after you succesfully pass the application requirements. The requirements haven't been loosened or made easier.
You still need a full time job/be in education with no gaps longer than 6 months and so on etc. Same thing as before Brexit referendum.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...file/608088/Form-EEA-PR-guidance-notes-v3.pdf
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. . .ensuring there is no more than a 6 month gap between each document. Ideally these should include Marchs payslip for each year and 2 other payslips no more than six months apart, or a letter from employer(s) confirming period(s) of employment and annual earnings.
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Unless I've read wrong, the "streamline" thing they're talking about and making it easier, is for the new system after Brexit not what's gonna happen in the immediate/near future. And even then the things made easier just seems to be no need to prove you've paid NHS insurance.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-for-eu-nationals-after-brexit-the-key-points
Given the DUP literally burned £500 million of public money not so long ago, colour me skeptical.
It'll probably end up going to fund Ulster Scots that made up comedy language they've invented because the taigs were getting money for Irish.
Threatening calls from Diana? Are the Daily Mail turning their back on the Queen of Hearts?
Laevateinn
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People who still care about Princess Diana gossip shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Damn straight. I'd wager at least 99.6% if these """struggling""" teachers have a refrigerator!
Turns out Queen of Hearts was just a synonym for bleeding heart liberal snowflake.
How dare headteachers try to let parents know if they continue to vote Tories their child's education will continue to get worse.
Yes DM. Its the schools that are trying to influence how people vote in elections. ¬_¬
Good to see Hunt continues to excel in his role as well, fronting into the difficult topics as always.
Dirtyshubb
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Did people see this:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/parliament-summer-holiday-extension-theresa-may-mps-plotting-coup-three-months-house-commons-lords-a7807901.html
Parliament may close for three months to stop plotting against Theresa May
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/parliament-summer-holiday-extension-theresa-may-mps-plotting-coup-three-months-house-commons-lords-a7807901.html
Parliament may close for three months to stop plotting against Theresa May
CyclopsRock
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Given all the legislative things she could have given them, some money is probably the least worst.
Little Old Man
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Don't mention that hussy's name in this house Michael!
That's blatantly anti-democratic, but what else do we expect from May's shambling zombie corpse of a government?
Speaking of zombies, how is this thread still alive?
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I also heard on the BBC that they are still requiring people to have had comprehensive healthcare (private healthcare), so basically, if you've been using the NHS, the healthcare service you pay in to, your residence doesn't count. This is why the EU said it was a horrible proposal. They're still trying to filter EU migrants and keep only a handful. It is an utter shame and I hope the EU gives them hell for it.
Do we have a corrupt government?
This schizz is like a banana republic.
Kim Wrong-Un would be proud.
According to the Mirror, that £1b would pay for 26,000 nurses, 12,000 doctors, 600 sprinkler systems in high rises, 10 F-35b Fighter Jets, or more importantly, 50 Freddos for everyone in the UK.
The magic money tree in full bloom at the moment
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40412343
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40412343
Screaming Meat
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I wish they'd 'bribe' the NHS.
Lol of course
Dirtyshubb
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"one needs more than the £365m to do up my house, how about a £6m increase in one's benefits? "
Pyramid head
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Do Tories not ever tire of throwing in with such a vile party and consistently supporting objectively disgusting actions? Because I'm fucking sick of seeing it unfold over and over. Politics in this country at the moment seems to display a fucking cartoonish level of difference in basic morals and human decency that I find the idea that right wing voters can look in the mirror and not see a piece of shit staring back a little delusional.
TiredofWinning
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Lmao Britain is becoming another Turkey.
Have fun with your petty autocratic dictatorship Brits!
Dirtyshubb
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A huge part of tory support will be those people who claim to be accepting and understanding when really they only give a shit about themselves and making money. The other part are the idiots who read the the mail etc. And believe everything that's said.
My wife posted Corbyns speech on Facebook and someone she knows came back with "prat" so my wife asked why she thought that. Her reasons were all your typical gutter trash points of 'IRA, terrorist sympathiser ". My wife went back with a tonne of points about Thatcher dealing with them in secret, the DUPs terrorist ties, selling weapons to Saudi Arabia etc. A day later the woman came back with a joke about my wife and Corbyn sitting in a tree...
"Lalalalalala I'm not listening!"
Investments managed in the public interest and returning profits to the public seem to be doing well. Strange that.
Screaming Meat
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Was it a magic money tree?
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