RPGCrazied
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I feel like I'm in an alternate reality with Trump winning the Presidency.
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Amazon's 'The Man in the High Castle' S2 |OT| Alt-Right History
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I feel like I'm in an alternate reality with Trump winning the Presidency.
I read some reviews and recaps after watching the last episode, and I didn't see this mentioned.
It seems clear that John Smith is going to go from savior of the Reich to its biggest enemy within once he finds out that his son volunteered for extermination because of their monstrous "useless eater" ideology. I think that easily justifies all the time that was spent on that plot line this season.
The One and Done
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I'm on episode 8 and I'm confused
Has the one Secretary guy been on Earth 1 this entire season?
The One and Done™;227336127 said:
If you're referring to
Kotomichi, the trade minister's assistant, yes, he came from our Earth. The radiation burns from the Hiroshima/Nagasaki bombs were what tipped the minister off.
If you're alternatively referring to
the trade minister himself, yes, he traveled to our Earth. The shot where he meditated and gradually slipped out of the universe (and everything that followed) were pretty clear tells.
The One and Done
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Thanks in on rp 10 now. Cold open. Here we go
I don't know if its possible for me to ever root for Smith.
I know we knew he was American from earlier, but that open really drove it home for me. I really can't must up any sympathy there. It's still very interesting.
Great show. I just hate that I blew through it so fast.
The open when we see him in his US Army uniform seeing bomb go off really drove home that he's a traitor piece of shit.
I know we knew he was American from earlier, but that open really drove it home for me. I really can't must up any sympathy there. It's still very interesting.
Great show. I just hate that I blew through it so fast.
Yup. He clearly joined to save his family, and now they've taken that from him.
The One and Done
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Remember his speech at the funeral; he will do anything to protect his family.
wowbaggerBR
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I just hope that the
change from harcore nazi to rebel
Spikematic
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I agree. The reason he's everyone's favorite character is because he's so complex. Interesting antagonists are really hard to do and he's one of the better ones I've seen in a while. He's also an excellent actor, I really hope to see him in meatier roles in other series/movies.
Succinct Verbosity
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See, at this point I have to wonder if its intentional, because almost every scene involving the Smiths and and the Trade Minister are gold.
Succinct Verbosity
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One thing I am curious about is now that
both countries are close to leaderless, does that mean the war between japan and germany has gone on the backburner for a while?
Just finished Season 2. Really damn good and definitely better than S1 in my opinion. As you all have been saying, Smith/Tagomi/Kito are the undisputed highlights of the show. Some amazing acting between the three of them and generally intriguing character/story arcs. Juliana/Frank/Joe continue to be the worst parts of the show, but I thought Juliana was much improved this season and watching her
The atmosphere, aesthetic, and music also continue to be top notch. No idea where the show goes next, but I'm there day one regardless.
try to survive in the Nazi regime was really interesting.
The atmosphere, aesthetic, and music also continue to be top notch. No idea where the show goes next, but I'm there day one regardless.
That scene where the Nazi generals were describing their all-out nuclear assault was fucking chilling.
Who was
his friend?
RUDOLF WEGENER - he passed state secrets to Japan.
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Am I the only one that had more interest in the Nazi storyline rather than the resistance?
Frank was borderline unbearable for me.
Succinct Verbosity
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Someone uploaded my favourite track from the credits. I've got to say when these themes kick in they are great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmkTFmVXXi8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmkTFmVXXi8
That's not the ending theme for Season 2, Episode 2.
It's so annoying, I can't find it anywhere. You got my hopes up!
Succinct Verbosity
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Yeah. I am strugling to find the soundtrack too... It's a shame because it is fantastic.
Better season than the first one but still quite odd. I think separating the two protagonists did favors for both so gotta give them credit for going against what S1 seemed to shoot for between the two. Was also cool to see that they weren't rushing to get Juliana and Joe back at the same city even they had ample opportunities to, with Joe himself shooting down the option to return NY.
Now i can why viewers would be lukewarm towards Joe and his character but i'm not sure what's the issue with Juliana. This sort of oppressed, under-the-thumb and under-the-gun woman trying to keep her head down, trying to run between the raindrops. The actress is just nailing it down and i just like her mannerisms and expressions and the air about her (others may recall her as Gwen in 'Angel'). This weird mellow\ forced to be mellow demeanor.
They chose right expanding the scope of the show and establishing Berlin as another front. I would like to continue in S3. The world-building might be the show's biggest strength.
Smith continues to be a highlight; Frink continues to be the weakest link. Can't say exactly what i would have preferred on his front but i guess we did get a full closure of his arc. (
)
Pacing and progress on the 'big mystery' remain problematic. Maybe it's better to sideline it or de-emphesize its importance.
I'm now slightly confused as to what the writers think they are doing and what the characters think about it. What i used to think was clear cut is that they are accessing alternate universes but that there's no 'time traveling' per se - it's always the equivalent present of 1962. Obviously the characters treat it like the films depict their reality but they way they did that quick flash back to the film when
i couldn't tell how to read it. Is it also a signal to the viewers by the writers that the films prophesies the current timeline? That some films might be from the future of the current universe? Of course, if it is just parallel timelines you could say some stuff happen the same and that some stuff may have occurred earlier in one universe so that's why a film exists.
Dunno, i feel like the show needs one big dive on this subject. Hopefully we get one now
has re-surfaced. BTW, did they recast her?
Anyhow, it's a peculiar show that at times is difficult to know how to approach or address. I'm not jumping for joy watching it or confidently recommending it to others but nor am i having bad time watching it and it is fascinating at times. I think they have the ingredients to be better and garner more attention but i don't how they should mix them up.
Now i can why viewers would be lukewarm towards Joe and his character but i'm not sure what's the issue with Juliana. This sort of oppressed, under-the-thumb and under-the-gun woman trying to keep her head down, trying to run between the raindrops. The actress is just nailing it down and i just like her mannerisms and expressions and the air about her (others may recall her as Gwen in 'Angel'). This weird mellow\ forced to be mellow demeanor.
They chose right expanding the scope of the show and establishing Berlin as another front. I would like to continue in S3. The world-building might be the show's biggest strength.
Smith continues to be a highlight; Frink continues to be the weakest link. Can't say exactly what i would have preferred on his front but i guess we did get a full closure of his arc. (
I'm confident to say he's dead. He got flashback scenes that pretty much ensure that.
Pacing and progress on the 'big mystery' remain problematic. Maybe it's better to sideline it or de-emphesize its importance.
I'm now slightly confused as to what the writers think they are doing and what the characters think about it. What i used to think was clear cut is that they are accessing alternate universes but that there's no 'time traveling' per se - it's always the equivalent present of 1962. Obviously the characters treat it like the films depict their reality but they way they did that quick flash back to the film when
Dixon was shot
Dunno, i feel like the show needs one big dive on this subject. Hopefully we get one now
Trudy
Anyhow, it's a peculiar show that at times is difficult to know how to approach or address. I'm not jumping for joy watching it or confidently recommending it to others but nor am i having bad time watching it and it is fascinating at times. I think they have the ingredients to be better and garner more attention but i don't how they should mix them up.
I think they'd do a disservice to
He definitely carries whatever scenes he's in (just like Inspector Kido and the Trade Minister). Has that quiet charisma and menace that one associates with a Nazi leader.
Frank's character to bring him back from the dead in S3. He's a firebrand and more than a bit of an asshole. Him dying with the bomb and a firefight is the only real ending that makes sense for him.
He definitely carries whatever scenes he's in (just like Inspector Kido and the Trade Minister). Has that quiet charisma and menace that one associates with a Nazi leader.
That's apparently a term used by Kissinger.
The soundtrack to season 2 is actually available for free to anyone who has an Amazon Prime account:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N5FM1S3/?tag=neogaf0e-20
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N5FM1S3/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Succinct Verbosity
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Not in the uk apparently, which is a massive oversight.
Succinct Verbosity
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i would think this is coming. Why else show us that scene?
Yeah, they're obviously building to something.
Meus Renaissance
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It's still never explained how it is that 'John Smith' came to be a senior officer within the SS after serving in the US military, much less how he came to passionately adopt the Nazi worldview.
Smith turning into a protagonist? I hope not. I hope he remains conflicted, but still a cold hearted SS officer. Joe's development in Nazi Berlin, however, could be interesting. I want to see him turn and eventually kill Juliana.
Smith turning into a protagonist? I hope not. I hope he remains conflicted, but still a cold hearted SS officer. Joe's development in Nazi Berlin, however, could be interesting. I want to see him turn and eventually kill Juliana.
Straight Edge
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I imagine he thought he would be more help to the US by being involved and slowly aligned his beliefs with the Reich.
Isn't it obvious? He fell in line, kissed ass, and became the model Nazi for the same reason he does most everything: to protect his family.
Yup. That flashback scene with him and his wife says it all.
Indeed. Pregnant wife and Washington just got nuked? His war ended right there for him, money on it. He broke with systemic murder of the ill as soon as it touched his own family.
Renewed for a 3rd season!
http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/3/14152620/man-in-the-high-castle-season-3-amazon
http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/3/14152620/man-in-the-high-castle-season-3-amazon
Succinct Verbosity
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My favourite show right now. It may not be the best show, but I love it warts and all.
Great news, the second season was brilliant.
RPGCrazied
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I would hope so after that ending. Great news. Season 2 was better than 1 by a country mile.
Yaaay!
Season 2 was a huge step up from the first. If Season 3 follows a similar trajectory, we're going to be cooking with dynamite.
has it been concluded that it is universe or timeline?
GuitarAtomik
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Just finished the season over the weekend. Thought the first couple of episodes were slow, but once Berlin started factoring in more and Julianna got to Nazi America, the show got really interesting again. Thought the lead up to shit going down towards the end of the season was really well done and tense. That scene/image of Smith and his wife
was chilling. I found Tagomi's
very touching. Just great stuff. My only problems with the season was Frank being insufferable as hell most of the time (even if they acknowledge it) which imo made most of his scenes uninteresting (though I got a kick out of Ed and Robert's scenes together and their burgeoning friendship), and the Man in the High Castle's
Can't wait for Season 3.
witnessing the nuke on DC
whole trip to Earth 1
Joker/Zemo level of manipulation. I can kind of forgive it since he's not even sure it was going to work and he does have a lot of info on everyone involved due I guess to the tapes, but still.
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The second season was so much better than the first
the heroes were a lot more likeable but of course the obergruppenführer and the chief inspector were still the best characters. I also liked many of the new ones, like the resistance guys and the Berlin characters.
the heroes were a lot more likeable but of course the obergruppenführer and the chief inspector were still the best characters. I also liked many of the new ones, like the resistance guys and the Berlin characters.
I do hope we get to see more of Berlin in season 3, loved everything there. who would have thought Heinrich Himmler saves the world?????
Just smashed both seasons in a week. Second season is miles ahead of the first and as mentioned Smith/Kido/Tagomi carry the show. I don't actually mind Juliana's scenes, but agree that Joe is just a dull character or actor, dunno which but either way he's uninteresting to watch. Looking forward to seeing where this goes!
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