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Dark Souls Mafia |OT| Git Gud or Die Trying
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flatearthpandas
Member
I'm not saying she's been pro-town, just that I don't think she's scum. The behavior has been way different. Also, pretty much she's been universally agreed on as a lynch target. Too easy. Interested in nins point below though.
Saw, any thoughts?
What was the well-meant criticism? I think i missed this
flatearthpandas
Member
Ah, i see. Interesting.
Muffin is still my vote for today. Going to try and wake up for eod but lets see if anything changes. I don't think kits is scum. She is tunneling like mad and it isn't good but it's also not really scummy.
Muffin is still my vote for today. Going to try and wake up for eod but lets see if anything changes. I don't think kits is scum. She is tunneling like mad and it isn't good but it's also not really scummy.
flatearthpandas
Member
Yup, thanks
I kinda agree but then again it could end up hurting us in the end.
The ship has sailed in my eyes though.
Less than 7 hours to go people. I where is everyone?
hey_monkey
Banned
More like three hours to go.
This is my mild concern. But I wonder how much meta applies to a third-game player when one of those games is this and one was LB with the pair and the silencing.
true but what would two scum do in this situation without a chat?
not a great defense to jump on either
just meta and too much tunneling to be scum
Muffin1611
Banned
The same could be said about my potential lynch. It went from zero to two votes and two leaning towards it in about 50 posts.
Well, I guess. My point was that it was not nearly to the same extent.
have you done this?
Muffin1611
Banned
I'd also like to hear from isaac and oreo who they think should be lynched today at least. Not even three hours to go, make your voices heard.
hey_monkey
Banned
That's kinda the opposite.
flatearthpandas
Member
I disagree. Nothing about her behavior d3 seems like someone who is looking for a good voting record lol. No there was nothing crafty about running in and voting nin in the middle of a red check discussion.
And here, saw, our other resident lb scum and i are actually in agreement. The play is different, and more important to me, her reaction under pressure is way different. I'm going to go hard town on kits.
Somebody did have a similar reaction though. That was muffin. When he got the vote, he got aggressive defensive. "Lmao." A whole string of responses, multiquoting himself. Kits defended kind of, but calmly. And monkey was putting on real pressure, going hard on how what kits was saying didn't make sense etc.
Yeah. Keeping muffin. It's not a hard read and ultimately i won't mind if someone else catches the lynch. But I don't think it should be kits.
flatearthpandas
Member
Whoops, posted the second half first. Forgot i was working in two windows.
And here's the thing. I was the first vote for kits. Here's the post.
The thing is... this is a very similar situation to LB. this is a game where the scum team cannot talk to each other and kits and i were lynched on a day when scum chat was silenced. I maybe remember better because i was her partner but this isn't the same behavior. I would say, meta wise, how much would we really expect to see a change in just a few weeks in a similar situation?
It is not in scum's best interest to lose another member right off the bat.
And here's the thing. I was the first vote for kits. Here's the post.
As explained earlier, this isn't really true. Her play is different. I wanted kits to feel pressure to she is she would respond like she did before. She didn't. It isn't the play I'm familiar with.
flatearthpandas
Member
Not really. You were my second push. You picked up one other vote that has since jumped off onto kits...
hey_monkey
Banned
I'd like to see similar reasons to vote FOR Muffin if you're staying there. Or give me a post range to look back to if you're leaning on past stuff. I'm on mobile for now but will go back to comp in a bit.
What about oreo?
What about oreo?
Muffin1611
Banned
How so?
At the time. Yes, Saw jumped off now, but at the time it was a sudden push that you initiated, Saw put herself behind (with more justification though, she followed that line of suspicion for a while already), Monkey seemed inclined to follow but still unsure and oreo similar. In one page. Before that there was no inclination whatsoever that day that the discussion would go that way. It was a quick development that seemed like a potential easy bandwagon to me.
flatearthpandas
Member
Around 1264. Like i said, it's not a hard stance. I'm also okay to see isaac, nin, or monkey go tonight. Rac is more mid-range. Same with oreo. I still feel alright about him but I've been thinking over there shade he's got but don't have any attacks it defense for him now. I'd like to keep saw and kits.
It's true, there wasn't really a push against it but it also didn't develop. How strong so you feel about nin?
Muffin1611
Banned
Strong enough that I would vote him as first choice, but not so strong that I wouldn't switch my vote when I see that about everybody else disagrees with me there.
hey_monkey
Banned
Wait, let me get this straight: you're townreading kitsunelaine more than rac?
I can't shake off the feeling that oreo aswell as isaac are in a position where they just have to let town for our itself.
Going against the wind but i feel comfortable with it.
Vote: isaacnukem
Even with my general dislike of kits, I the longer I think about it the longer it just feels wrong.
Going against the wind but i feel comfortable with it.
Vote: isaacnukem
Even with my general dislike of kits, I the longer I think about it the longer it just feels wrong.
hey_monkey
Banned
So I went back and looked to make sure it was what I remembered, and it's not really making a case. It's pressure. Which is fine and good; people need pressure. But it's not a case. You've spent more time and energy defending kits today than you have making a case for just about anything else in this game. And while I could buy some of the arguments, I can't understand the motivation to do that. It seems like a hard turn for you, and it's just awfully odd. I can't understand what any of us gain from that.
I'm gonna go back and do some re-reading before day end. Am curious to see how arguments develop for lynch choices. We need some clear paths and options because we're getting close to the wire here - not just this day, but in general.
- Oreo? That would be my first guess but he's more stayed out of the limelight/discussion than anything. If it's not him or Kits then I'd guess one ( or two ) of my Town Reads are way off and Scum are playing exceptionally well. :x
- Easy vote? Nin being 'weird' isn't a new thing and he's been on the chopping block for multiple Day Phases now so it's not like he couldn't be pushed for.-
- Also possible and is one point I've considered.
So
basically entirely what Oreo is doing right now? If that's the case, why are you voting for Nin instead of Oreo?
I...actually do agree with FEP. It's why I wanted to really put pressure on Kits in the first place too just to see if she would react similarly to LB2..
However I also agree with Monkey here. It feels like you went a hard 180 on Kits from Scum Reading her for her play during most of the game to going 'nah, she townie' in the snap of your fingers. It's kinda weirding me out.
So some thoughts because I'm really not sure what to do
- I agree with FEP that Kits' isn't playing like she did in LB2 and that makes me feel she isn't Scum/Neutral under pressure. However, I also agree with Monkey that FEP did a really sudden turn around on her but I Town Read both so I don't know how to feel about that. Gives me weird vibes.
- Muffin makes Townie as fuck defense posts and makes sense when he does post but you've got to prod him up to the plate in order to get them. His early game stills bugs the hell out of me.
- Oreo has a nothing track record because numbers, 2 OMGUS votes, and then is now blindly following FEP. Feeling it more here but even then I'm jumping between all 3 here and keep talking myself out of each one.
- I'm really hungry i need to eat breakfast
- Part of me is wondering if I'm completely looking in the wrong direction and all the Scum/Neutral is somewhere in like, Monkey/FEP/Rac/Isaac.
- Not getting a flip for today fucking sucks and I don't know what this lynch will give us or what we can do about it tomorrow.
- I agree with FEP that Kits' isn't playing like she did in LB2 and that makes me feel she isn't Scum/Neutral under pressure. However, I also agree with Monkey that FEP did a really sudden turn around on her but I Town Read both so I don't know how to feel about that. Gives me weird vibes.
- Muffin makes Townie as fuck defense posts and makes sense when he does post but you've got to prod him up to the plate in order to get them. His early game stills bugs the hell out of me.
- Oreo has a nothing track record because numbers, 2 OMGUS votes, and then is now blindly following FEP. Feeling it more here but even then I'm jumping between all 3 here and keep talking myself out of each one.
- I'm really hungry i need to eat breakfast
- Part of me is wondering if I'm completely looking in the wrong direction and all the Scum/Neutral is somewhere in like, Monkey/FEP/Rac/Isaac.
- Not getting a flip for today fucking sucks and I don't know what this lynch will give us or what we can do about it tomorrow.
oreomunsta
Banned
Hey all, I'm still not really convinced off voting for kits today, so I'll put my vote in in a few minutes.
oreomunsta
Banned
Geez, my mistake for putting it out there that I find someone trustworthy in this game :X if you take a look at the game, you'll see that I don't actually blindly follow everything fep does.
hey_monkey
Banned
Yeah, I basically agree with this. All of this. Except breakfast. I need lunch. I'm looking back over my own reads and vote data and some posts and I'm on the struggle bus. I can see the points y'all are making about kits behavior, but I just don't think the meta data is there for her. I cannot see her as pro-town in this game in any way. But moving in another direction can cast light on that situation regardless. I could swing to isaac or oreo. I do still have some concerns about nin. I just don't weigh meta quite as hard, I guess.
I'm gonna make a sandwich and consider.
If I'm scum tho I want the damn MVP award for putting in work on this business.
Muffin1611
Banned
So, I'm a bit lost. Nin isn't an option, and kits is losing traction right now.
The only other person I read as a bit anit-town is oreo, and as I said already, I think he may be the neutral, and as such not my prime target. Leaving the neutral alive for today would benefit town.
But I could be totally off and isaac/rac/kits is neutral. The only people I would consider for it otherwise.
The only other person I read as a bit anit-town is oreo, and as I said already, I think he may be the neutral, and as such not my prime target. Leaving the neutral alive for today would benefit town.
But I could be totally off and isaac/rac/kits is neutral. The only people I would consider for it otherwise.
Sorry, I should have put you trust him enough to follow his lynch target. Which is pretty significant considering lynching is all we have and you're willing to put blind faith in someone else for it.
This really isn't even the first time you've done that, you did it when you followed my read on Day 2.
Monkey I'll give you dozens of awards if you're Scum in all of this.
?
How so? It's all tied up with a few different people having 1 vote on them each, that's hardly no option or losing traction. If you feel strongly about Kits ( or Nin ), push for them to be lynched. Don't just see whoever is getting the most traction and jump there.
Muffin1611
Banned
You're right, just looked at the vote count. Thought I myself and kits still had more votes on us.
But I still think that there is no push for Nin besides from me, so I still don't see him as option. Kits would be it, I guess.
VOTE: kitsunelaine
oreomunsta
Banned
You're right about one thing, wrong on another. I did follow your vote on D2, because I do sometimes find your pointed questioning convincing enough to lend a vote to. It's not a best town practice to follow a highly vocal member (as evidenced by Cabot in animafia), I admit.
You're wrong though on me blindly following fep, still. Fep made a good case on kits, which lined up on my suspicions of kits, but now he's coming off it, which I don't agree with.
oreomunsta
Banned
Vote: kitsulaine
hey_monkey
Banned
Whoever the scum is, they have played the shit out of us to create such fracturing at this point in the game.
oreomunsta
Banned
Fuck, missed a letter :/
Vote: kitsunlaine
Vote: kitsunlaine
Muffin1611
Banned
You missed two letters.
oreomunsta
Banned
Not unless you can show me a convincing case for Isaac as Scum/Neutral with less than 30 minutes to go. :x
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Vote: Muffin1611
That doesn't look like voting to Scum Hunt, that looks like voting whoever has the most traction.
hey_monkey
Banned
Has kits not voted today?
I keep thinking about changing my vote but honestly this is where I still have my strongest feeling. I can't weigh meta over in game actions.
I keep thinking about changing my vote but honestly this is where I still have my strongest feeling. I can't weigh meta over in game actions.
Muffin1611
Banned
Both are in my scum list. One is not happening today, one could be.
Sitting on somebody who will not be voted by anybody else is the most unproductive you can be.
Nice try justifying a quick change towards my lynch though.
ok let me lay it out
cm is about to come back to explain
there's votes for stan waiting
15 minutes after i vote you vote while there's still a relevant vote count on the same page
it just seems like the easiest buss ever
and then just to put it over the top it's also a mistake