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Naughty Dog changes their tune on Uncharted 3's Season Pass, upcoming DLC costs extra
- Thread starter jett
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I added it arne, only cuz you're a nice guy.
Because we tried to let everyone know at every step the extent of the content and leaving out relevant information is minimizing that we did so AT ALL. It makes it look like we never told anyone the FHC was over. Which was not the case. Tell the whole story, not the part that gets hits.
Okay - well the option then is no more content. As was originally planned until not that long ago. Things changed, the FHC posts always said the actual # of content that was the included and then we also posted it was over. What more would you like us to have done as we tried out best to clearly message it?
Thanks. I'm not trying to recon it, but there's been more than few posts that didn't read the follow up.
I'm with you that we could have done better - but we shouldn't be crucified from a poorly worded sentence that was the exception to the rule in how we were detailing how much content was coming out.
At least bring out the pitchforks and torches for the real reason - we could have communicated much, much better overall.
Maybe to people who saw the March post and then bought the pass, but how is it relevant to people who bought it based on your January post?
If you can, can you say when the decision for more DLC was decided upon?
Sir_Crocodile
Member
So what exactly did this Fortune Hunter's club entail? Maps & skins?
BruiserBear
Banned
It feels sensational because it is sensational. Complaints are unwarranted IMO.
That's why buying a season pass for any game is a risky proposition. You're just hoping that whatever they give you is worth your money.
A few panels at GDC gave us some food for thought and I think around April or so we discussed it for real and hit full steam around the time we were talking about a "big" upcoming patch.
Although at least wait until our DLC announcement - it's not new maps or something like that. We wouldn't have time to come out with stuff like that already.
Well all right. Maybe I'm being too hard on you guys, although understand some of us had already been disappointed with the FHC overall so this is a kick to the nuts.
We needed to plan the content roll out and the communication of content out better. Planning fail.
megamerican
Member
Seems really shady. Surprised ND would resort to something like this.
BruiserBear
Banned
Can you name us a season pass that people weren't disappointed with? People are always expecting them to deliver a lot more than they usually do.
So it'd be safe to say well after the January post, and even after the March post outlining the FHC details. So at the risk of sounding apologist (which really, is rationalism among the sensationalism) for those clamoring for ambiguity - it would seem that, at the time, it wasn't ambiguous since there were no plans for additional dlc. Only afterwards, thanks to poor wording which at the time made perfect sense, did it come back to be an issue.
Sadly thought people will feel however regardless if there is a rational explanation or not; and thus the explanation will never be good enough.
megamerican
Member
Current membership and any new membership purchased will include all currently available and any upcoming DLC packs for Uncharted 3
It's okay though because ND retroactively announced that the FHC had a definite end date.
Maybe you should of cut down on the skins,avatars and accessories seeing as these somehow made up 9/14 ''packs'' and offered better value content to the people who gave you money up front. A Killzone item pack which consists of THREE items as well as avatar picture packs is both lazy and shady.
Ken Masters
Banned
Your apologizing for their lie? Really?
This is why devs/publishers will keep doing this
XxSlasherMcGirkxX
Member
As someone who has been playing U3 since the beginning and still play it now, if I could go back to the beginning of U3 and had the choice of the FHC I would get it again. I don't feel cheated and I feel I got the content that I was told I was going to get. How can I be mad about that. Anything extra then what was originally promised (bumping up the content to 14 packs) is an added bonus.
However I do feel the DLC has split the fan base and the balancing of skilled players between the servers have hurt the cummunity more than helped it. Also having the DLC maps since day 1 and only being able to play some maps only a handful of times is extremely disheartening. These are the issues people should be complaining about. Not the FHC. Regardless I still think U3 has a lot offer (even before the DLC) and is one of the most unique multiplayer games out there.
However I do feel the DLC has split the fan base and the balancing of skilled players between the servers have hurt the cummunity more than helped it. Also having the DLC maps since day 1 and only being able to play some maps only a handful of times is extremely disheartening. These are the issues people should be complaining about. Not the FHC. Regardless I still think U3 has a lot offer (even before the DLC) and is one of the most unique multiplayer games out there.
MikeE21286
Member
Further proof for my never-buy-DLC policy
Giant Panda
Member
Poor wording, but it does say a specific number. Mountain out of a molehill.
That wasn't included in the season pass, nice try....
The other option is to do what you said you would do and give it to FHC people. Raise the price for the rest of us to cover the lost revenue if you need to. If it doesn't make financial sense to produce additional content while following through on the whole idea of the FHC, then don't produce it. Acting like you're doing us a big favor by offering to sell us more content, even though you're clearly violating both the letter and the spirit of the FHC is pretty lame.
The people who bought that are some of your biggest fans, and they prepaid you for content you hadn't even made yet. How much is losing their trust worth?
Thats what I meant...ND alot of the time said that the map pack FHC wouldn't last forever...it is a gray area but around launch they said it wouldn't last for good.
They are pretty wishy washy with PR...which scares me alot.
Never said apologizing already stated they were wishy washy but around launch said that it wouldn't be forever. It does fall on them for how they handled it but OP is really making it sound bigger then it is.
Don't see the problem with DLC as long as it's content that adds to the overall game play experience by offering additional hours worth of play. Shite like skins and avatars should be unlocks.
HamPster PamPster
Member
Man crucifixions, pitchforks and torches used to mean something on GAF. This is the weakest one I've ever seen!
TimeEffect
Member
I'm more frustrated by the recycling of DLC they did, even the vanilla version was too much recycling, not enough new.
UC3 mp really blew it all over the place. The game, from the beginning, was a serious departure from UC2's MP which was much better. It perplexes me that ND went the MW2 route with the game when simplicity was truly better for balanced gameplay. Instead, they went with the constant-reward, carrot on a stick, ruin long term balance path that always aims to keep the A.D.D casual crowd around. I really think that mentality has been a slap in the face to hardcore fans for a bunch of IPs this gen
I'll always love UC2 MP, but u guys lost it after the health/damage patch.
I just hope that, for an Uncharted 4, they go back to their roots, and give back to the hardcore fans. I dislike the season pass for a game like UC because the MP community is already so small and fracturing it right out of the bat really hurts the game. Like others have said, this is always the risk of Season passes, but to me, offering constant recycled maps over new maps would hurt the reputation more than what I'm hearing about here.
UC3 mp really blew it all over the place. The game, from the beginning, was a serious departure from UC2's MP which was much better. It perplexes me that ND went the MW2 route with the game when simplicity was truly better for balanced gameplay. Instead, they went with the constant-reward, carrot on a stick, ruin long term balance path that always aims to keep the A.D.D casual crowd around. I really think that mentality has been a slap in the face to hardcore fans for a bunch of IPs this gen
I'll always love UC2 MP, but u guys lost it after the health/damage patch.
I just hope that, for an Uncharted 4, they go back to their roots, and give back to the hardcore fans. I dislike the season pass for a game like UC because the MP community is already so small and fracturing it right out of the bat really hurts the game. Like others have said, this is always the risk of Season passes, but to me, offering constant recycled maps over new maps would hurt the reputation more than what I'm hearing about here.
The post you linked to in order to clear things up on what people get with FHC says this: "You'll get every Fortune Hunters' Club DLC pack already released - as well as all future club packs!"
To someone that hadn't followed along to know that the FHC was ended, that still sounds like you get all future DLC. Nowhere there does it say the FHC has been ended at all, hell it tells me there's "no better time to join" in fact.
2 packs of U2 maps (8 maps total), 1 pack of new maps (4 maps), 1 Co-op map, 1 Co-op mode, 2 packs of PSN avatars (10 total), a bunch of U2 skins and some U3 skins.
http://uncharted.wikia.com/wiki/Fortune_Hunters'_Club
Boss Man
Member
What is a "club pack"? "All future club packs!" sounds very specifically and purposefully different than "All future DLC!"
Well, since this thread started on a technicality, then let's be technical across the board - this DLC we're talking about isn't a "club pack."
I was about to link the same thing. Sounds like offering future DLC past the 14 mentioned is not isolated to that Jan post. Seems like more than a simple mistake of wording in one post.
Congratulations! So your're technically not in legal trouble. You just technically look shady as hell.
Negotiator
Member
Arne you had told us that exclusive weapons will remain exclusive... why did you lie to us?
ps: Of course I expect this question to be ignored...
ps: Of course I expect this question to be ignored...
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
Fixed. Why do people pay upfront for unknown goods?
Fair enough. And I do appreciate you coming here and responding, even though I haven't been happy with the content of the response.
TimeEffect
Member
Established Trust.
Mega Man's Electric Sheep
Member
Oh good, when developers lie it's "poorly worded" and if we complain it's "nit picking" and "technicalities". Great way to treat your customers. So the way I follow this, when the line Current membership and any new membership purchased will include all currently available and any upcoming DLC packs for Uncharted 3 was written, there were no further plans to make any more DLC. Then you decided to make more DLC. Unfortunately you did say ANY. UPCOMING. This qualifies as any upcoming, guys. It's your words, time will tell if you will honour what your own PR says. You can't just sweep it away based on what you later said, because of the people who bought the pack based on your own words. You say "poorly worded" but if you do not honour it it is a lie, plain and simple.