Anonymous Indie Dev #1
Anonymous Indie Dev #2
Great feature, and much, much more here:
Nintendo Life: The Growing Pains of Curation on the Nintendo Switch eShop
(summary courtesy GoNintendo.com)
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Anonymous Indie Devs speak out on the growing pains of Switch eShop Curation
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Anonymous Indie Dev #1
Anonymous Indie Dev #2
Great feature, and much, much more here:
Nintendo Life: The Growing Pains of Curation on the Nintendo Switch eShop
(summary courtesy GoNintendo.com)
Living the Dream
Member
Never change Nintendo. Keep sticking that knife in your leg.
It can hardly be called growing pains when their storefront on the Wii U is better.
Why as a developer would want one to work with Nintendo when at the end of the day, they really don't give a shit about anything except their own?
It can hardly be called growing pains when their storefront on the Wii U is better.
Why as a developer would want one to work with Nintendo when at the end of the day, they really don't give a shit about anything except their own?
cyberheater
PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 Xbone PS4 PS4
Mediocre hardware, fantastic games, shit company.
PurpleMoustache
Member
I have a feeling I know who that second anonymous dev is. He's been complaining about the same points on twitter. Not gonna say his name to keep anonymity though.
Maintenance
Member
Couldn't describe it better myself.
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
So the Wii U and 3DS eShops are wall-to-wall garbage and the Switch eShop is so tightly curated that Nintendo is cutting off some long-time collaborators?
That's kinda hilarious. Find a mid-point, Nintendo.
That's kinda hilarious. Find a mid-point, Nintendo.
BigEmil
Junior Member
Painful really.
It looks like in the past 12 months, Nintendo of America simply destroyed all the hard work that took years to Dan Adelman to build.
Remember that pre-launch Switch threads were pretty positive and full of hope for Switch eShop after the improvements seen on 3DS and Wii U.
I'm really starting to think there are some huge problems at several key positions at NoA.
It looks like in the past 12 months, Nintendo of America simply destroyed all the hard work that took years to Dan Adelman to build.
Remember that pre-launch Switch threads were pretty positive and full of hope for Switch eShop after the improvements seen on 3DS and Wii U.
I'm really starting to think there are some huge problems at several key positions at NoA.
More likely they want some sort of exclusive content or timed releases. Shovel Knight was one of the headliners for launch, and it was a port, but they got Specter Knight as a timed exclusive.
Platforms should know by now that such terms don't really help anybody, but here we are.
frankie_baby
Member
He's not the creator of it he's their "marketing" guy
it seems like they opened the doors wide open for wii u, heard the complaints about shovelware flooding the system, then massively overcorrected for the switch launch.
surely this doesn't seem like something that is even difficult to fix. at the very least, all developers with a proven track record on Nintendo systems should receive preferred status. put the formal canned emails and extra hoops to jump through for those with unestablished or shitty track records.
surely this doesn't seem like something that is even difficult to fix. at the very least, all developers with a proven track record on Nintendo systems should receive preferred status. put the formal canned emails and extra hoops to jump through for those with unestablished or shitty track records.
TangoAlphaLima
Member
Anonymous Indie Dev #2 said:
I honestly don't get Nintendo's rationale for (mostly) not allowing straight ports. I mean, I guess it's better that ports are enhanced or added to in some way for the Switch, but isn't the fact that Switch is portable enough of a differentiating factor to justify straight ports? Is anyone going to look at the system poorly because games that debuted on the PS4 or X1 a year or two ago are now on a portable system?
Disappointing that nintendo still is this shitty company policy wise. Why don't they learn from their mistakes
Sony and MS can do it without being full of shovelware. This is just nintendo being nintendo
Sony and MS can do it without being full of shovelware. This is just nintendo being nintendo
James Scott
Banned
The Switch eShop has been pretty good so far though it's a bit weird to turn down past collaborators.
Wonder if Nintendo Life tried contacting Damon Baker about it.
Wonder if Nintendo Life tried contacting Damon Baker about it.
Papacheeks
Banned
Sure you do. Doesn't it sound like a familiar Indie Clause Microsoft had when this generation started?
Because they had a clause stating you had to have some new content with the game if it was coming to their platform later or after it was released prior on another platform.
UnemployedVillain
Member
Reading the article there are actually only 4 devs with complaints. OP is attributing the same devs complaints as 2 different ones.
One dev's complaints were about the difficulty in getting a dev kit without a publisher, which we already knew about and were told was only a temporary thing during this early period in the Switch's life, not a new policy going forward indefinitely.
The other complaints about lack of communication and marketing guys being in charge definitely seem annoying and detrimental to garnering good relationships, but again they seem to stem back to the main issue/policy of Nintendo currently only really wanting curated content. However it seems like how they go about choosing it can be improved.
One dev's complaints were about the difficulty in getting a dev kit without a publisher, which we already knew about and were told was only a temporary thing during this early period in the Switch's life, not a new policy going forward indefinitely.
The other complaints about lack of communication and marketing guys being in charge definitely seem annoying and detrimental to garnering good relationships, but again they seem to stem back to the main issue/policy of Nintendo currently only really wanting curated content. However it seems like how they go about choosing it can be improved.
JetSetRadio
Banned
Jap company ruled by fossils.
James Scott
Banned
I imagine port means "late port" without enhancements.
Blaster Master is a 3DS port but they launched simultaneously. Shovel Knight had timed exclusive content. Tomorrow Corp games have some joy con functionality. Etc.
Papacheeks
Banned
Dude really?
AcademicSaucer
Member
So when they say Nintendo they are basically talking about NOA?
Besides what I said in my earlier post, I think it's more of an issue with late ports. Like, Has-Been Heroes and Snake Pass both launched on multiple systems alongside the Switch, so that's probably okay. Meanwhile, something like Axiom Verge is already out elsewhere, so they don't want that without something like extra content, probably.
Will be interesting to see how that goes down the line. Off the top of my head, Yooka-Laylee will be a "late port" for Switch. Will that be allowed?
This is about indies and the eShop.
The following games are either brand new or some form of exclusive and I can recommend them all:
Wonder Boy: The Dragon's Trap
Graceful Explosion Machine
Shovel Knight: Spectre of Torment
Fast RMX
Blaster Master Zero
VOEZ
Snipperclips
Kamiko is coming out tomorrow.
Has Been Heroes had mixed reviews but some people swear by it.
Mr. Shifty is a fun game with some performance issues, a patch is supposedly forthcoming.
There is a new indie eShop release every single week. Next up is TumbleSeed.
I know because making these OTs is kind of my hobby at this point.
TheBaldEmperor
Member
Adelman keeping it classy with that last tweet. That should help.
I really hope Nintendo are paying attention if this is as bad as some are saying.
I really hope Nintendo are paying attention if this is as bad as some are saying.
Yeah, like this entire thread full of ppl sharing misinformation and unverified stuff.
frankie_baby
Member
You might have a point if they were short of content but theres games being released every week on the eshop and there's a huge number coming, i just think a bit of perspective is needed, at this point in the life of the Wii U the floodgates still hadnt opened either
Living the Dream
Member
In what rationale is not allowing a port a bad thing? Axiom Verge is amazing, but let's not allow it on the Switch. This is assinine.
Team Filler
Member
Sure sounds like something NoA would do, if not NCL.
Nintendo will Nintendo. None of this is surprising to me. All of it was expected, to be honest. They can't stop getting out of their own way. Not that it hurts them at all, which is the worst part. None of this hurts them and they will not learn because of it.
LordRaptor
Member
This is the takeaway, and something the members of GAF who are constantly moaning about "shovelware" and how stores need to be curated should bear in mind.
I'd be very interested to know what Devs these are and what games they're talking about. One mentions ports but then goes on to complain about Nintendo thinking they can predict what the next big thing is, which didn't sound like a port to me.
I'm slightly concerned one of these may be wayforward :/
I'm slightly concerned one of these may be wayforward :/
I doubt that these devs couldn't just add HD rumble support and call it a day. NoA is probably just using that excuse of "we don't want ports" to refuse early access to some game devs.
I mean, so far the indies content on Switch is well-managed and every week there are cool games to look forward. I'd say that there will probably be more good indie games on Switch at the end of the year than there was during Wii U's whole life. Barring one exception, there hasn't been much shovelware too. So the effects are working, but there's a huge problem if it stops competent devs from releasing their games. How couldn't the launch line-up use Axiom Verge ? Why do they have to wait while Hamster is bringing Neo Geo games every week ? It makes no sense.
NoA's weird. They're nice to people who usually never make indie games for Nintendo consoles but suddenly turn back on the people who were already making games for them. Like, what's the reward for working on Wii U ?
But I did I Am Setsuna entirely and it's the very definition of a late port, there's nothing added to it compared to the PS4 version that came out a good while before it.
I don't think it even have HD Rumble, nothing. :lol
Maybe this works with regions? I see people mentioning NOA....I can't read the article at my job but yeah, it wouldn't surprise me, I hate NOA ever since the Xenoblade Chronicles shit.
"Jap" 🤔
James Scott
Banned
Not an indie, physical Square Enix release. I'm also pretty sure it has exclusive content as well.
AcademicSaucer
Member
We will never have a Meme Run sequel on Switch
Well if you're Nintendo you aren't going to tell Square Enix no if they want to release a late port.
This issue seems to be for indie devs.
Agreed! But platform holders have kept doing this sort of thing for a while, so I guess they don't quite like it.
Really, it's especially dumb on the Switch since the system basically gives a built-in advantage to most ports due to the portability of the system. If an indie isn't on Vita, it's probably the first "portable" version of the game. That should be more than enough to justify it.
But isn't this issue just considering indie games? I don't think Setsuna falls under that category.
Edit:Oh it has exclusive content as well didn't realize that...