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D.Lo
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It's definitely a remake of M2. Quite different in many ways to most other Metroid games since it has the set hunting goal. But it has a lot of Metroid staples added, and all the mod cons - pretty much the ultimate mapping system for example.
The action is very well done once you get over a learning curve though.
My Japanese special edition arrived too!
The action is very well done once you get over a learning curve though.
My Japanese special edition arrived too!
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
It feels like a really good imitation of Metroid. I do like it a lot, and it's getting better and better as I progress, but the lack of distinct environments (particularly because of the too-ambient soundtrack) has been disappointing.
And the 30fps was jarring, yes.
socksfelloff
Member
I've tried every model of 3ds and I fucking hate all of them. If the game requires use of the triggers I'm fucked. My hands and forearms get sore and it runs all the way up into my shoulders then my neck. I'm having issues with my hands these days and the 3ds is becoming borderline unplayable unless it's a turn based game.
The 2ds is the best 3ds for ergonomics but the worst for portability.
As for metroid, I'm enjoying it so far. Playing with the circle pad is tough to get used to, I'm not used to having a melee party and the graphics suck( I'm admittedly biased to sprites) but overall it's sucking me in like metroidvanias do and I'm having fun with it!
PumpkinSpice
Banned
I have to play handhelds sitting up or my arms get messed up. I usually prefer XL size for DSi and 3DS (Vita is by default) since I like to hold them out at arms length on my lap.
For hand cramps, it's always best to let DS/3DS systems have a pretty loose grip. Like let some air between your palms and the system. I find that helps a lot.
davidwhangchoi
Member
wow, i thought i was the only one. my hands get numb playing my n3ds xl. i had to move to a smaller n3ds that reduced it but still happens if i lie down and play at a certain angle.
keeps me from playing it long periods.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
I doubt it, honestly... how many 3DS games have gotten ports to the Switch at this point? I'm drunk, but all I can think of is Azure Striker Gunvolt.
D.Lo
Member
It's a 'very' 3DS game. The art is specifically designed for 3D and would not look incredible upscaled IMO, and the map on the second screen is fantastic, though I guess technically could be on pause just like the old games.
Maybe some 3DS games could be ported as downloads in a few years? Wii U had GBA and DS games.
Semi-related - 3DS not having Virtual Boy VC games is the biggest missed opportunity ever IMO. There will never again be a 3D console.
Laws00
Member
was this the precursor before they created the Nintendo power magazine?
RadarScope1
Member
I'm floored they never put VB games on 3DS. Then again, I guess Nintendo would rather just forget that thing ever happened.
D.Lo
Member
Either that is the explanation (if you look at their IR reports, they don't count it in their platform lists and never have) or they thought the ROI on a VB emulator would not be enough for the cost. I mean I guess a few people would buy Wario Land and maybe Mario Clash for $5 each and that would be it.
No, that would have been Nintendo Fun Club News.
Club Nintendo Magazine is something similar like this but for Europe.
Not sure how it evolved in the UK, but in the Benelux and Dance at least it ended up changing into Nintendo Player after 4 years and then again into Ultra Player later on.
In Germany it kept the Club Nintendo moniker and kept running for many more years.
It's in that magazine that you can find some of those weird mario comics with Mario worshipping the devil and such. lol
I don't think the UK got a direct follow-up to Club Nintendo actually.
socksfelloff
Member
Me after playing 3ds for 5 minutes
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
Me after playing 3ds for 5 minutes
Crampy!
sixteen-bit
Member
I have a 3rd-party grip for my N3DS that makes it way more comfortable to hold.
Me after playing 3ds for 5 minutes
Yeah, but look at that smile. Mustve been playing Outrun or another Sega 3d Classic.
The graphics truly are terrible. And it's not the hardware that is making me say that - I think plenty of 3DS games look good despite the low resolution - it's the really poor art style. It's fucking abominable:
The color of that enemy just doesn't look like it fits the rest of the scene. Seriously, what the fuck is that? If you're going to use so many vivid primary and secondary colors, make the game cartooney. If you're not, then make the game realistic.
But don't go for both "gritty" proportions and tons of bold and contrasting primary + secondary for every object in each scene. It's too jarring.
Seriously, these colors don't work:
It has nothing to do with the resolution or 3D effect or 30fps in the game. The contrasting colors simply hurt your eyes because they're really fucking ugly together.
It has nothing to do with the polygonal nature of the game either. Look at Retro's take on a polygonal Metroid art style:
These games were colorful, but they did not have so many bright/bold contrasting colors in each damn scene of the game. And that's how it should be.
The 2D games also didn't commit this error. I'm not going to blow out this thread with a ton of images, but trust me, even in the brightest scenes, all the colors worked together in harmony and had proper shading:
Enemies actually looked like they could live in the environments via camouflage (even though they were not actually camouflaged in-game). There were no bright blue glowing bats in otherwise non-blue environments like that first picture from Samus Returns above.
/end rant
Laevateinn
Member
3D was a mistake
PumpkinSpice
Banned
I've brought this up before but high contrast color is extremely important in handheld games due to the likelihood of someone trying to play in sunlight. You can see this in Fusion in Zero Mission as well, where all enemies and characters stand out against the background. I mean this was extra important here due to GBA but you can see the same thing in almost all Nintendo games on DS and 3DS as well; use of near-neon colors is pretty common.
I had the displeasure of trying to play MGS1 on a Vita on a bus last year. There were parts of the game that were so dark and gray that I just couldn't see anything.
You can even compare Luigi's Mansion on GC, already a pretty colorful game, to Dark Moon on 3DS and see way higher contrast between characters and background in the 3DS game.
D.Lo
Member
Have to disagree, I think the graphics are quite good. Not knockout good, and 30fps is the biggest issue, but certainly not garbage. Really the only time they look bad are the close ups of poor textures on recharge stations, while they look fine from the regular side camera view. There's lots of nice detail in the backgrounds which I appreciate. As with all 3DS games, it looks a lot better in 3D due to having double the horizontal resolution that way.
It has a very similar art style to Metroid Prime 3 IMO. A bloomy high contrast sort of thing.
Metroid has had a wide variety of art styles, Super is much grittier than the anime-inspired Zero Mission. Prime 1 was relatively colourful, but Prime 2 was quite muted and more realistic, colour wise. Fusion is outright garish at points, I think it's the Metroid game with the biggest colour issues (and also has the hideous hunchback slithering colour blobs Samus sprite).
It has a very similar art style to Metroid Prime 3 IMO. A bloomy high contrast sort of thing.
Metroid has had a wide variety of art styles, Super is much grittier than the anime-inspired Zero Mission. Prime 1 was relatively colourful, but Prime 2 was quite muted and more realistic, colour wise. Fusion is outright garish at points, I think it's the Metroid game with the biggest colour issues (and also has the hideous hunchback slithering colour blobs Samus sprite).
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
It's too hazy.
cyborgnumberblue
Member
Game looks like hot piss
davidwhangchoi
Member
the amiibo looks good
Shin Johnpv
Member
I am going to agree with this fully. You just said everything I was going to.
IrishNinja
Member
yeah, as someone who never finished metriod 2, i'm super happy with this. working too much but between this game & river city ransom: tokyo brawl, my 3DS is keeping me alive.
A Black Falcon
Member
Bah, 3-D Tetris, Galactic Pinball, Red Alarm, Vertical Force, Teleroboxer, and Jack Bros. are pretty good games too! And then you have interesting Japan-only stuff like Insmouse no Yakata and Space Squash they could release. And they could even officially release finished-but-cancelled VB games Bound High, Dragon Hopper, and Zero Racers, too. That would be pretty awesome, particularly for one that still don't have publicly roms leaked like those latter two...
It's crazy that Nintendo has not made VB VC on the 3DS, and I at least definitely think that it is a mistake. The VB's library may be small but some of the games are pretty good. Sure it failed to sell, but what good does ignoring good or interesting games, some of which probably would sell enough to justify the cost of making an emulator, just because it failed decades ago make sense? I don't think it does... oh well.
While not essential, 3d is pretty cool. I always use my 3DS with the 3d slider set to max, it makes the graphics better for sure! It'd be a shame if 3d goes away, outside of VR that is...
Laevateinn
Member
Metroid finally arrived today but I won't play it until tomorrow unfortunately. Busy busy.
By 3D, I mean polygonal-based games instead of sprites. I'm living in 1999.
By 3D, I mean polygonal-based games instead of sprites. I'm living in 1999.
sixteen-bit
Member
We still doing this?
Sonic has higher highs than Kirby. But Kirby is more consistent from title to title.
P.S. I think the iPhone X is a giant turd.
Sent from my iPhone.
PumpkinSpice
Banned
I could buy 6 of my phone for the price of an iPhone X. Man it would suck to drop and smash that thing.
On topic, I'm of the opinion that a lot of the Kirby spinoffs are not very good. Like Kirby's Block Ball, Star Stacker, Air Ride...
On topic, I'm of the opinion that a lot of the Kirby spinoffs are not very good. Like Kirby's Block Ball, Star Stacker, Air Ride...
D.Lo
Member
Block ball was fucking awesome! Air Ride has some staunch defenders but I haven't played it.
PumpkinSpice
Banned
Yeah I guess, you're right that there aren't any obvious stinkers like Sonic's career.
So true, definitely like the best Sonic games over the best Kirby games.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
I bought an iphone 8, but not an X, cuz it seems stupid as fuck. I don't even particularly like the iphone, but I use it because that's kinda all there is. Not getting involved with that broke-ass Android shit. I wish there was another decent option.
Anyway, I've been at Austin Game Conference getting drunk all week. It's been alright. I've generally been too drunk to play Metroid, so I haven't made much progress there, but I am enjoying it. My Omega still hasn't shipped. That's not really news. There's a girl who wants to go on a group date, but she's apparently kinda crazy, so I dunno what I should do there, but she's cute, so I'm sure I'll make a terrible decision. Anything else?
Anyway, I've been at Austin Game Conference getting drunk all week. It's been alright. I've generally been too drunk to play Metroid, so I haven't made much progress there, but I am enjoying it. My Omega still hasn't shipped. That's not really news. There's a girl who wants to go on a group date, but she's apparently kinda crazy, so I dunno what I should do there, but she's cute, so I'm sure I'll make a terrible decision. Anything else?
Laevateinn
Member
I have a business trip to Dallas next week so I'm saving Metroid mostly for then. I've been deep into Ys but I might play a little tonight before I go to bed.
Go for it.
Go for it.
D.Lo
Member
Spat out my drink lol.
Reminds me of when Instagram came to Android, and people were complaining about potentially being flooded with 'the Android poors' posting 'pictures of ghettos' lol.
That said I agree, I fucking hate giant phones, Samsungs Pixels and post 6 iPhones now all look and feel like huge rounded ugly shit to me. Rocking the SE which is the only small and/or classy looking good spec phone available.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Yeah, Downwell is cool. Though, I played it on PC, because I ain't some kind of savage.
sixteen-bit
Member
Downwell is so fun
socksfelloff
Member
Oh you mean the Android phones that Apple is so desperately trying to play catchup with ?
You're out of town and she's crazy. Sounds like a perfect match to me!
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
No, she's where I actually live. So, just potentially just unmitigated crazy. Probably runs Android. Bitches, I tell ya.
Laevateinn
Member
Ask her if she understands how to play Sonic.
socksfelloff
Member
What if she does, but it's 3d sonic.
Yes. I like the PS4 version myself so I can play on the big screen. Fantastic game!