iceatcs
Junior Member
I think it is less likely from them because they have nothing to show other people.
It's very likely that insiders can give faulty info to media if they want to, just for make media fool themselves, or watch the world burn.
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[Eurogamer\DF] Orbis Unmasked: what to expect from the next-gen PlayStation.
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I think it is less likely from them because they have nothing to show other people.
It's very likely that insiders can give faulty info to media if they want to, just for make media fool themselves, or watch the world burn.
ShadowRunner
Member
So how is Ken Kutaragi doing these days anyway?
EDIT: And what other RAM did it have besides the XDR and GDDR3?
RDRAM for Emotion engine and graphics synthesizer :
Ok. You have me there. But considering this was a while ago, and they were talking about a future chip, maybe the graphic card maker, Radeon in this case, has more information then we do. Who knows really?
Except that vg leaks sheet has been corroborated by quite a few publications now, insiders, devs, sources etc etc. Even this very thread seems like a revised - more up to date - version to that 'leak.'
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
I agree. Drop BC completely if it means better head room for the system.
I don't think any of us are taking it seriously. When you do a drive by post and are MIA soon after its not a vote of confidence either.
ON a scale of 1 to 10? 25
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
$599. YLOD. I rather spend $599 on getting a better hardware.
Clay Davis
Member
third console curse continues!
After the last three E3 shows I think it's obvious where MS are going with nextbox and kinect, I really think that apps, kinect and multi-media will play a huge part in the design of nextbox.
I also think with the PS4 Sony are looking at a gaming console first and that there is no way the controller will have a screen as a part of that controller but we are looking at something that splits into two separate parts.
I also think with the PS4 Sony are looking at a gaming console first and that there is no way the controller will have a screen as a part of that controller but we are looking at something that splits into two separate parts.
ShadowRunner
Member
I dont think anyone has taken it seriously...
It's a shortcut to say that the GPU will support a version of DX11 with a larger feature set than the actual PC. Rather obvious but still worth mentioning. Much like the 360 has a custom DX implementation.
Thanks for the welcome everyone. I've waited quite a long timeAnd thanks for the the ban tip. Like I said I'm not saying this is fact, just going by what I've been told by someone who has told me things in the past about Sony that have come true. But I won't relay many things anymore, especially if it's completely opposite of what everyone else is saying. I can see how that can be total BS.
He said a Super Companion Chip is: Cell's peripheral LSI, which houses audo and image interfaces supporting high-speed data transfer capability. The chip also supports a group of interfaces for various systems (video, audio input/output, digital AV interface, IEEE1394, digital tuner interface) and a group of interfaces that make it easier to connect standard input/output devices (standard bus interface, high speed network interface and storage device interface.) It's made by Toshiba.
Also the leaks I showed him weren't the DF one, it was the VG247 leak from the other day.
thanks. Sorry for scaring you with the ban. It seems I was wrong about it. Keep on sharing if you find out anything
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
I knew Sony won't ditch the CELL myth so easily: http://translate.google.com/transla...cell-chip-per-la-console-next-gen-di-sony.php
Nobody needs to take me seriously. I'm not screaming that my info is correct, or even close to accurate. Just repeating what I've been told by someone who can be right or wrong.
No need to get your knickers in a twist. Stand by what you believe and time will prove if you're right or not. No need to condemn anyone for not believing what might be real or fake.
JonathanPower
Member
A single Jaguar core is much more powerful than the PPE. The PPE is an in order core, while jaguar is a traditional x86 out of order core.
Yes but the SPE is a very simple processor compared to an entire jaguard core, it would be a waste of silicon. I think the OS may run on a separate ARM chip.
Hey. Don't bullshit a bullshitter.
Jnr is basically saying steamroller/apu + PS3 [bc] + some third branch [secret sauce]
Thanks for the welcome everyone. I've waited quite a long time
He said a Super Companion Chip is: Cell's peripheral LSI, which houses audo and image interfaces supporting high-speed data transfer capability. The chip also supports a group of interfaces for various systems (video, audio input/output, digital AV interface, IEEE1394, digital tuner interface) and a group of interfaces that make it easier to connect standard input/output devices (standard bus interface, high speed network interface and storage device interface.) It's made by Toshiba.
Also the leaks I showed him weren't the DF one, it was the VG247 leak from the other day.
The fuck?
How did you retain all that information down from a single conversation?
This is all so very reasonable. I don't know what to do? lol.
Don't worry, the thing about these threads is that the truth comes out eventually. Until that point all we really do is throw around our thoughts and hope something sticks.
Until someone breaks NDA which isn't going to happen then just enjoy the ride.
Clay Davis
Member
Hey. Don't bullshit a bullshitter.
Jnr is basically saying steamroller/apu + PS3 [bc] + some third branch [secret sauce]
does this mean a hardware solution to bc? I hope it's hardware and not software.
Cell is much, much stronger with vectorized code than a jaguar. The jaguar will best the PPE at general purpose code. The jaguar is the amd equivalent to intel's atom or arm cores in your smartphones and tablets. Check out some bobcat reviews for a rough idea of what to expect.
There is not much else to spill. The information that is out there, is what we know. I gave out RAM speeds, but if you want more, than I will preface this by saying: I don't know which system is more powerful. I don't know how much RAM is dedicated to OS. I don't know what controllers look like.
I personally don't know about the special sauce, in fact, I was the first person who coined the term "Special Sauce". All I know is its knowledge is within a very small realm of people. It is highly sensitive information, and I can speculate it is some sort of FPGA or function that will enhance GPGPU functions. There is no such thing as a blitter. One thing I do know, is the DSP on Durango is beastly.
You will have to wait, like the rest of us.
Too late you have been condemned. Either way, welcome to the club. And when in doubt hold your tongue and you'll make it through the gauntlet.
ShadowRunner
Member
Lol SCC is real too was originally thought to be in PS3, esentially a South Bridge type chip http://news.cnet.com/Cell-companion-chip-gets-hot-demo/2100-1006_3-5833453.html
AstroNut325
Member
That split architecture sounds horrendous. I really hope that isn't true.
Software is impossible for now. It's hardware, cloud-based or nothing.
I'm telling you guys Giggzy is making er sense. Lol.
This is fun!
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
For a guy who doesn't know anything about hardware, he sure can consume a lot of info. I can barely consume the first sentence.
Regardless, this is fun.
Clockwork
Member
I didn't really didn't need that breakdown image. I left that out as that was strictly for BC, and was removed in later iterations.
Clay Davis
Member
hardware or death!
even though I have a very good internet connection, I wouldn't really want a cloud based solution to bc at launch. maybe some years into the consoles life, but not at launch.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
I will just wait for official specs. This is becoming difficult to follow. Lol.
GHG
Gold Member
Don't be fooled: https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:qX1JvjmSqCQJ:www.hotchips.org/wp-content/uploads/hc_archives/hc17/2_Mon/HC17.S1/HC17.S1T3.pdf+&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESizWTLQk5ofcp-W-WpNIKq4V5SbmOQ0oyFqCnUI5MF6bQDLWx-cNzwL_bgi-jBZw65KzQQrFUJhKI2nFWj2mIDQBpWUPZVsHHH49apAIUfPqj77HEAPsbSnBMO9F13C2XKwqwTf&sig=AHIEtbTYMRQLRi1R4PgCwG8sXffCOqjb2g
This guy is just trying to bamboozle everyone into thinking he is credible.
ShadowRunner
Member
The point was PS3 had 3 types of RAM simple as that, regardless what it was for.
Because it's someone synthesising a picture from a things on the internet...?
At least, that's what it looks like. If he's right it'll be legendary, but put me in the highly skeptical category right now.
What's better, Intel i5 or intel atom? Same question
I mean yeah. I could had done something similar if I wanted to. Anybody could. So do, if you're not already, take everything with a pinch of salt. But I love the speculation though. Much better than dull this game is better, no that dev is better, no my opinion is better than yours.
hey, I know. But just trying to make it a little less tedius.
Clockwork
Member
Alright, I can understand your viewpoint. I guess it's subjective in that I was looking at it with difference being that removing the GS/EE and 32mb of RDRAM from the PS3 had no bearing on the functionality of the PS3.
If I was to talk about the original PS3 I wouldn't say "Man that thing was a beast, it had 2 CPU's (CELL and Emotion Engine) and 2 GPU's (RSX and Graphics synthesizer) and 3 types of RAM (XDR/GDDR3/RDRAM)" because they are not coherent and don't work together. I don't consider the BC hardware as being "part of the PS3"
In any case doesn't take away the fact that what Giggzy describes is a clusterfuck of a design and Sony would be completely insane to go that direction.
Not only that, but the info being spread is in direct conflict with what is being described by more credible sources.
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Btw Gaf can anyone discuss the pros and cons of going with steamroller vs Jaguar? Sorry to be a pain but it's one thing that I have not seen being discussed and would like to understand it better if possible
phosphor112
Banned
The whole "special sauce" thing is one of the stupidest god damn things I've heard regarding technology. If you want to call it a speculated blitter, then call it that, not some fucking wizard's jizz.
Steamroller is what you'd put in a computer, jaguar is what you'd put in a tablet or smart phone.
The Hermit
Member
There is no blitter. It was a joke some guys were talking about, but somehow it took a life of its own.
So are there any major benefits going with steamroller vs Jaguar? I'm guessing it will be more expensive so will it be worth it?
Phonomezer
Banned
It's the new "super computer banned in China".
The tree-way architecture doesn't make sense, because it makes the silicon expensive and it also makes the software production expensive.
Both of these are no-no's in the next gen.
They have to lower the production cost of games by making the games and their ports easier to develop, or the industry will implode. Sony, MS and Ninty know that.
Meanwhile the PS4's "secret sauce" could be an all purpose SoC like SpursEngine by Toshiba. That could be very likely, would not break the flow of the AMD architecture and could provide the "exotic" part, that is in place with the Sony console legacy.
But 3 different RAM arch's in 3 different pools? no no no no
Both of these are no-no's in the next gen.
They have to lower the production cost of games by making the games and their ports easier to develop, or the industry will implode. Sony, MS and Ninty know that.
Meanwhile the PS4's "secret sauce" could be an all purpose SoC like SpursEngine by Toshiba. That could be very likely, would not break the flow of the AMD architecture and could provide the "exotic" part, that is in place with the Sony console legacy.
But 3 different RAM arch's in 3 different pools? no no no no
But then how would I make my favorite console sound more powerful?
googleplex
Member
Trust me, no one is taking that post seriously.
It would have better single threaded performance.
CPU code on these jaguar setups will need to be well parallelised to achieve maximum performance. Any tasks restricted to a single thread will do less well on jaguar than they would have on Steamroller.
It's also not just about expense, I believe, but also timetables. I think the suggestion was that Steamroller was the original plan (for Orbis anyway) but was switched when it became clear it wouldn't meet Sony's deadlines. Jaguar is more ready to roll.
What if they buy Windows 8 apps on it? Microsoft get's 30 percent of that revenue right?
I see. Thanks again to you and stevie for the explanations. All these tech discussions are exciting
From my complete tech noob point of view it seems we will end up with systems with strengths in different areas but are comparable overall. Sounds great! Now track pad + Biometric OR touch screen + biometric ...so many possibilities