TCM is great with adding stuff on demand too. I can't wait to watch these (again).
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The Criterion Collection in 2017: All Fancy Movie GAF Releases Welcome!
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TCM is great with adding stuff on demand too. I can't wait to watch these (again).
Net_Wrecker
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Few things are more annoying than trying to parse which label owns the rights to which movies, which region they're releasing in, and whether or not those rights will change in a year and a new 4K scan will be made.
afternoon delight
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Now now, I think we can all agree radical color changes, poorly edited needless additional footage insertion, and pan and scan are much more worrisome.
But yes film distribution sure is funny in a global economy.
Fancy Clown
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My DVR is gonna be filled to the brim after all my scheduled TCM recordings. I'm most excited to finally see Peeping Tom, which I've been meaning to see for years.
Unless they are improvements from the prior disc, like Scream's The Thing transfer
Unless they are improvements from the prior disc, like Scream's The Thing transfer
afternoon delight
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Even the disgrace that is pink flares does not compare to say, Friedkin's treatment of French Connection and The Exorcist or Coppolla's constant fuckery with both Apocalypse Now and The Godfather.Unless they are improvements from the prior disc, like Scream's The Thing transfer
Certain elements? Hey, that's okay. But fucking entire color code shifts for a film's entirety, usually to the detriment of black levels? Fugging BLECH
Fancy Clown
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Wait...what's wrong with Apocalypse Now?? Don't tell me the theatrical cut has been tampered with...I haven't watched my set yet
Yeah I was at work when Badlands was on so I couldn't nab that one either
Revisionist colour timing is such a weird thing, sometimes it's doubly weird because what is considered "revisionist" is actually going back to it's original appearance (see Ran (I was so tempted to continue shitposting about Suspiria here)).
Is there any revisionist colour timing which is universally seen as an improvement? I think Platoon got redone for its blu-ray but I can't really find any great sources on if/how it got changed and how those changes were perceived.
Is there any revisionist colour timing which is universally seen as an improvement? I think Platoon got redone for its blu-ray but I can't really find any great sources on if/how it got changed and how those changes were perceived.
I don't think there is anything wrong per se but from an interview with the cinematographer Vittorio Storaro:
afternoon delight
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Allow me to nerd out for a second because it's one of my favorite films ever, one of the reasons I'm a filmmaker, etc. I can only account for North American releases, but so far I've found-
For Redux, Coppola and Vittorio introduced their first coordinated color changes. Not shown originally but bolder, beautiful, and in line with a technique that Vittorio was straight up experimenting with in terms of primary color usage. (He had / has this idea to use only two or three colors at the most in each shot of AP, and assigned each segment of the journey an overall hue set.) It's beautiful- but different! Aimed at stark contrasts and bold color depths.
For the recent Coppola Restoration BLU, FFC has since believed with time's passage that these color changes were a bit much in some areas and too much experimentation on others. He admits on one of several commentary tracks that he respected Vittorio so much he wanted to retain his expression, cooperation, and artistry with their work on Redux, but of course as any director has his own suggestions. Various, not drastic, but totally noticeable changes were then applied to his version of the Restored Theatrical cut, creating now a third set of color timing previously unseen.... Like some of his Godfather yellow cuts, I don't like them, but others' clarity is too much to be ignored.
Anyways. Keep your DVDs, film people are shifty.
We'll also never see that original theatrical ending edited back in either, which is a total fucking shame but whatever.Fancy Clown
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Ok wait...so first the DP did a new color process for Redux, then for the bluray they kept that color timing as is for Redux, and Coppola regarded the theatrical cut to something entirely different AND changed the ending??
What's the ending change?
And in the full disclosure edition I have, the theatrical and Redux are on the same disc and use branching I'm assuming, do they really both have different color?
What's the ending change?
And in the full disclosure edition I have, the theatrical and Redux are on the same disc and use branching I'm assuming, do they really both have different color?
I'm also a bit confused. Aren't all DVD and blus with the OAR just straight up ports of the colour timing from Redux?
I think afternoon delight is talking about the credits?
I think afternoon delight is talking about the credits?
Fancy Clown
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Haven't seen it in a while, but I remember it being quite a lot worse. But if you love the movie it's definitely worth checking out because there are some substantial additions.
afternoon delight
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To the best of my limited knowledge the 1999 release of the Theatrical cut- while mastered from previous elements- is the same as it ever was on home video until Redux's 2001 release which started this whole divergent business.
Theatrical
Redux
Post Redux Theatrical
Yes, I am. Never attached to home video prints but seen in its original run, I think seeing the compound get orbital'd really sends home the 'kill the messenger' aspects of his mission, Kurtz's point, etc. You wouldn't have seen this ending if you didn't watch the extras on DVDs and BLU releases.
No. Only a few of the added scenes are worth watching and certainly only 110% disrupt the original's incredible pace.
Apocalypse Now: revisit a classic today!
The home releases were in either 1.33:1 with heavy pan&scan, or 2:1 with pan&scan pre-Redux. So they're not ideal either.To the best of my limited knowledge the 1999 release of the Theatrical cut- while mastered from previous elements- is the same as it ever was on home video until Redux's 2001 release which started this whole divergent business.
Theatrical
Redux
Post Redux Theatrical
Post Redux are all in the full 2.35:1.
Well technically its original run was the 70 mm print one and that one had no credits whatsoever.
The credits got added for the wider release of the 35mm print.
Since I don't particularly care for it I can't say that I'm sad that it isn't in there, and tbh I buy this reasoning by Francis Ford Coppola.
afternoon delight
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Great point about the aspect ratios and the BLU correction. I think way too many people miss the fact that it's going to be bombed (despite the radio fade out) and such a conclusion shouldn't be so vague.
Fancy Clown
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Been trying to order that Terminator remaster from Amazon that Afternoon Delight was raving about, but they sent me the old shitty bluray from 2012. Ordered a replacement and it was the same shitty disc. Like what do I gotta do to get this movie dudes lol.
Are Criterion actively trying to make their UK operation fail?
Apparently one of the titles for this month is Diabolique (Les Diaboliques). Which is already available via Arrow, with the same master and comparatively same amount of extras. They are also releasing Solaris which is also available in the UK with the same master (but from Artificial Eye). And Black Orpheus is available from Screenbound. And 12 Angry Men available from Fox. And Cul-de-sac, also from Screenbound.
Yes, in one or two instances it's a clear upgrade. But e.g. Les Diaboliques is available from 8.99£, and Criterion is asking for 17.99£, why would I pay twice the amount for no real upgrade?
It's just baffling.
Apparently one of the titles for this month is Diabolique (Les Diaboliques). Which is already available via Arrow, with the same master and comparatively same amount of extras. They are also releasing Solaris which is also available in the UK with the same master (but from Artificial Eye). And Black Orpheus is available from Screenbound. And 12 Angry Men available from Fox. And Cul-de-sac, also from Screenbound.
Yes, in one or two instances it's a clear upgrade. But e.g. Les Diaboliques is available from 8.99£, and Criterion is asking for 17.99£, why would I pay twice the amount for no real upgrade?
It's just baffling.
mariachi507
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Damn, it's only available from third parties on Amazon it looks like. You might have luck checking out some stores nearby. The Remastered version has been repackaged a few times now, but I usually find them at various Walmarts and Best Buy's. Pretty much, anything from 2013 and on should be good.
Also, it looks fantastic. I do wish that the original audio was included though. I miss the way the guns used to sound. Everytime I watch it I anticipate certain sounds that never happen. Like in the police station massacre when Arnie cuts the power to the building, the sounds of bullets ricocheting off him are completely different.
Discotheque
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that cover is great too, seems to suggest this is THE Mann LA movie. which it is.
Net_Wrecker
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Where'd you get this image from? Every other region has gotten the same white background De Niro/Pacino/Kilmer cover. This one is way better.
It appears Film School Rejects / One Perfect Shot aren't sourcing the image, so I don't know its origins. I don't think they would tweet out some fake box art but there's no source so I don't know.
Net_Wrecker
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Alright that HEAT cover seems to be circulating now. Waiting for Amazon to update the listing and confirm.
#COVERHYPE
#COVERHYPE
Fox Home Video is handling the new release.
Thanks for the clarification.
To be a little more specific, the Regency catalog is controlled by Fox now, so they'll be handling those films from now on.
BaronLundi
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Dekalog and Human Condition are in it tho.
Anyone know anything about this?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00O8OB0GW/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Worried it's just a straight import with no English subs, but kinda weird it's got a shipped and sold by Amazon.com listing.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00O8OB0GW/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Worried it's just a straight import with no English subs, but kinda weird it's got a shipped and sold by Amazon.com listing.
Puck Beaverton
Banned
Japanese Blu-Ray that I believe has no English subtitles.
Goddamnit. Why is Amazon selling it? Got me excited.
Sure, but I bought Dekalog months ago for the same price from zavvi, and they have free shipping. It's not a bad sale by any means it's just a bit meh.
cj_iwakura
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So uh....?
Net_Wrecker
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Fancy Clown
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It's clearly the Point Break remake
MidnightCowboy
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So do any of you actually watch your movies or do they just sit on a shelf, silently mocking you for spending all that money ;_;
The discs are not meant to be watched dammit.
All they are good for is shitposting about the transfer based on caps from a third party. And whine about the covers.
I was ready to rip the last two unopened Blu-rays I have and start watching again since it's been a while. I go to my shelf and see seven Blus and two boxsets (Dekalog and Before) waiting to be ripped :/
cj_iwakura
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Of course I do. If I buy it, I watch it. There's no point otherwise.
Puck Beaverton
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It takes me a millenia to get around to films I want to watch. Doesn't help that lately I've been depressed so my already-low motivation to do anything is almost in the negative.
I watch everything, but I don't rewatch stuff as much as I'd like. I have some great ones that have been sitting on the shelf for years after one or two viewings.