Yes.
A brand new story in that massive galaxy would be a better path, the Shepard business is done hopefully. I liked the series for what it was but, a new direction will probably help.
even though in the some of the endings it's hinted he survived
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Mass Effect 4 won't feature Shepard's companions, doesn't relate to ME1-3 plot events
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Yes.
A brand new story in that massive galaxy would be a better path, the Shepard business is done hopefully. I liked the series for what it was but, a new direction will probably help.
They should just abandon that feature completely for the next games. It would allow them to write much better and detailed stories and events not just in ME4 but any future games as well. The choose your adventure thing sounds cool and I'm all for choice in RPGs but the choices should impact that game's story only, like in Fallout New Vegas.
It's just not feasible to carry over 3000 different combinations of choices in the spoken dialogue age of RPGs.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Can they at least bring back Tali? Please? For me?
It could take place so far in the future past events don't matter except maybe a historical reference to rebuilding.
It struck me that the writers remained clueless about why the ending sucked.
If I have to play through 3 games and left with no closure about what happens to my companions then No thanks.
I may just wait until they finish the trilogy before jumping in
It struck me that the writers remained clueless about why the ending sucked.
If I have to play through 3 games and left with no closure about what happens to my companions then No thanks.
I may just wait until they finish the trilogy before jumping in
Wait, what? I literally don't understand what you're saying here.
Biotics and the relays (which were only damaged, not destroyed in the EC endings) are still around, and those use Mass Effect.
Regardless, the title is just a cool sci-fi title. Kind of like the title Star Trek. DS9 didn't go trekking through the stars, but it was still Star Trek.
The series is about the universe, and the technology and races in it.
That's my main concern. Would be so lazy. I want a "What's going to happen?" story, not a "How did we get here?" story.
csquared587
Member
I agree 100% with this. I can only imagine how difficult it is to write interesting and detailed stories when so many player choice variables from previous games need to be taken into account.
The Smoking Bun
Banned
Goodbye, my sweet Tali.
Yes I'm one of THEM!
Tali was lame. Jack 4 EVA! I am her waifu/bishie/whatever!
Focus on smaller scale stories, none of that save the galaxy stuff. Bio still seems to be able to craft good characters and interactions, just don't introduce a big baddie, where you have no idea how to resolve it. Focus more on the RPG elements and on exploration, maybe even introduce some more puzzles.
Ah and don't let the writers of ME3 touch the new game...........
Ah and don't let the writers of ME3 touch the new game...........
Dark Octave
Banned
Trying to think of the series that started off great but now all it is, is prequels...
The thing is that the reapers have been here for so long and for many sentinent cycles, they would have the most powerful and advanced technology implemented in them. In all the endings (if this were a sequel), it would be a matter of using the reapers to gain the technology. I would expect it to be a new age of tech, not just the same old Mass Effect universe so I'm just wondering why the name remains the same as the series. I guess you can say it's still the Mass Effect universe, but it feels like if they were to harvest the tech, they would advance past the mass effect engines and the like.
Also, I thought the relays were destroyed. They shot the energy from the crucible and fell apart. I would say that's being destroyed.
nfbackstory
Neo Member
I think we can expect fan pandering (fandering?) at some point - after all, this is Bioware we're talking about. I'm really interested to see where this franchise goes from here because I think they created a neat universe with some interesting races and political situations. I'd certainly like another action-RPG but I think something like an expanded FTL with ME flavor would be fucking awesome. Hell, I'd even like an old school RTS but it doesn't seem like anyone makes those anymore!
Alternatively, make a Mass Effect visual novel/dating sim. I need this for reasons (Garrus-chan...)
Alternatively, make a Mass Effect visual novel/dating sim. I need this for reasons (Garrus-chan...)
SeventhSon
Member
Unless it is a prequel, I don't understand how any game following the end of ME3 can even be a Mass Effect game. Not only is Shepard's story finished, so is that of the setting.
Gemüsepizza
Member
I think old technology would be a little more interesting than technology which is even more advanced than the one in ME3. So a prequel could be nice where they use old spaceships etc.
. Would be nice to be able to actually fly the space ship then, with so much RAM it should be possible to create a seamless world where you can fly to foreign planets and land there all by yourself.
twist: and at the end of the game we learn that it's actually a sequel far in the future because they find ruins of those mass effect relays like in planet of the apes lol
EC endings show them being repaired.
And technological progress was never a bad thing. Hell, Mass Effect 2 makes a ton of references to improved tech due to the encounter with Sovereign.
As I said, the same but different. I certainly wouldn't want things running in place.
Oh did they ( never played EC, couldn't bring myself to do it after the ending)?
Well, that would, in my opinion, still usher in a new age of tech. After all, the reapers had the races before + the Protheans to harvest off of. They had time to refine it just like how they were using humans to build a reaper in the 2 years Shepard was "dead".
Aussie Legend
Banned
I gotta say I'm a little disappointed it has NO connection, I mean they have all that save data they could've at least mattered for something (as they didn't in ME3's ending...)
But I'm excited its being made by the ME3 multiplayer guys, I preferred the multiplayer to the singleplayer in that game
But I'm excited its being made by the ME3 multiplayer guys, I preferred the multiplayer to the singleplayer in that game
CharmingCharlie
Member
Pretty much sums it up for me. I only looked forward to a new Mass Effect because I wanted to see the characters I knew and liked. Since they are ditching all the characters I know then there is little incentive for me to bother with a new Mass Effect.
I remember being interested in the lore of the universe too but with ME 3 they chopped and changed the lore that much to "fit" their space casper shit it made the lore irrelevant.
Not to mention the fact Bioware chose to end my Shepards story on a bloody cliff hanger that they have no intention of resolving.
Right now the next Mass Effect sounds like a Mass Effect in name only. Ah well their funeral I guess.
Yeah, that's basically what I was going for and am angry about.
New age of tech isn't a bad thing. Besides, most of the tech they were using was already Reaper tech. Remember that the Reapers purposely left stuff behind to ensure that races developed the way that they wanted them to.
That doesn't make sense. There are already a dozen plus known races in the galaxy during the ME trilogy that are a part of citadel space and only 4 have council standing. Finding new races wouldn't change the humans standing.
And after the ending to ME3 BioWare kind of has an obligation to show how they are going to fix the massive galaxy they all but destroyed completely. ME3's ending opens up possibilities for a lot of new conflicts and stories. Were all the relays salvageable, how long did it take to repair them all, what happened to races and colonies that were potentially cut off during this time. How did races separated for decades change from one another during this time. Did some areas prosper or collapse after the Reapers were gone.
What if many of the Mass Relays were beyond repair or that many areas of the galaxy didn't have the ability to repair them and those that could were millions of light years away with no means to reach them. Could they develop new better FTL system to connect with these lost sectors? What would that mean for exploring the rest of the galaxy that was never before accessible through the limited Mass Relay System? Who would we find there, what races or civilizations might we find?
All this can be done, directly addressing the fallout of ME3 and still be its own game and not a direct sequel. A single shot story, focusing on exploration and adventure, a bridge between the old ME universe and the new one. That's what I hope for.
The Dutch Slayer
Member
As long as it is more like me2 I'm fine with it
I'm not saying the new age of tech is a bad thing ( I see it as a good thing and it would be a fresh experience). I'm just basically angry that they are doing this:
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Every character that people like was one they once never knew. You had to be introduced to them, learn them, and either like/love/loathe them over time. I liked the ME1 cast. I liked new characters in ME2. And I liked new characters in ME3.
The idea of starting with a clean slate is that BioWare can create new characters, with a new premise, that will hopefully deliver. It if doesn't, it doesn't, but that's not the fault of ditching the Shepard trilogy. It shouldn't be any different meeting new characters in Mass Effect 4 than it was in the past games. You just don't have the rock that is Shepard anymore, and once upon a time he/she was new as well.
If, three games in, I can grow to love Javik, I can grow to love someone new in Mass Effect 4.
The idea of starting with a clean slate is that BioWare can create new characters, with a new premise, that will hopefully deliver. It if doesn't, it doesn't, but that's not the fault of ditching the Shepard trilogy. It shouldn't be any different meeting new characters in Mass Effect 4 than it was in the past games. You just don't have the rock that is Shepard anymore, and once upon a time he/she was new as well.
If, three games in, I can grow to love Javik, I can grow to love someone new in Mass Effect 4.
The universe is full of interesting stories to tell if a good team of writers were to handle it. Most of ME2 and 3 were all reaper reaper reaper cerberus reaper cerberus cerberus and then focusing on individual squadmates' daddy issues so they never gave the universe that much of a chance to shine. Now they have a chance to move on from the mess they created and start fresh again.
My only fear is since they'll be introducing a bunch of new characters they're going to feel the need to go back to ME2 method and we'll be doing errands to help people get over their family squabbles again.
Because the ending was pretty bad, but not the worst (with the extended cut anyway).
I mean the state of the galaxy is dependent on which ending is canon.
Just avoid green and it's still very much Mass Effect imo. I also think they will do everything they can to avoid another scenario like the original ME3 ending so I'm not really worried about a repeat situation in the future.
Though I will be honest, I love the setting too much to not be excited for another game.
TheLegendOfMart
Banned
Fuck you Bioware, I absolutely adore Mass Effect 1-3 and I'd go as far as to say they are my top 3 favourite games......ever.
I can forgive the terrible ending to the story with the patchwork job they did with Leviathan and Extended Cut but what's the point in giving hope that Shepard is still alive in the Destruct ending if they are never going to address it again.
I won't be buying Mass Effect 4 or any further Bioware games.
I can forgive the terrible ending to the story with the patchwork job they did with Leviathan and Extended Cut but what's the point in giving hope that Shepard is still alive in the Destruct ending if they are never going to address it again.
I won't be buying Mass Effect 4 or any further Bioware games.
This is true, since the characters and story make or break a game. I'm not so sure about the lore since it wouldn't be half as interesting if you don't care to begin with. There are several games with deep and interesting lore, unfortunately it doesn't help at all when the protagonists act and look like bafoons. Who would care about the lore when it's actual universe is as unappealing as Turian porn?
What actually bothers me the most is the lack of closure in ME3. That's why I can't believe they abandon the last trilogy and start something new, when the old story didn't felt complete. It wasn't even an open ending, it just stopped where it shouldn't. I would shut up and never complain about BioWare (EVER) as soon as they tell me what happened with my Shep and his crew.
I hope this post isn't a complete thread-derail, just my thoughts... as if anyone would care. o.o
The Smoking Bun
Banned
Actually calling Mass Effect is like calling it Fusion. It's just a physics concept. How I achieve Fusion is irrelevant if all my tech runs on Fusion energy. Why would they stop using Mass Effect fields? There's nothing better because that's what the Reaper's were using. They could make it more efficient by studying the Reaper ships but that's it.
The Reapers were still using the relays. I expect that everyone will still be using relays.
What powers the relays? Mass Effect fields.
Title still works.
I'd be down for this.
PsychoSoldier
Banned
What's really messed up is that despite ME2 being one of my favorite games of all time, ME3 soured things for me so badly that I'm now more interested in Dragon Age: Inquisition than a potential next ME game
Audible Phonetics
Member
I am hoping there is no prequel. I don't want it to take place during ANY time frame or close to or after the events in ME 1-3. Make it in the way distant future, with a whole new story line. Whole new Characters.
It would be extremely stupid if they by any means have this be a prequel or related to the events in ME 1-3. The universe is so big, that I am hoping they'll take us to a whole new area. But again, we also know that somehow Humans will play a big role, so it will somehow still revolve around earth.
It would be extremely stupid if they by any means have this be a prequel or related to the events in ME 1-3. The universe is so big, that I am hoping they'll take us to a whole new area. But again, we also know that somehow Humans will play a big role, so it will somehow still revolve around earth.
Unfortunately, I'm not too much of a techy to care about the game name is related to the technology. I actually thought mass effect was a metaphor of Shepard and how he influences the universe. I guess the name would still work, it's just that it wouldn't feel the same without Shepard as they're the person you've been with for the first three games.
Acheteedo
Member
Sure you won't.
aygomyownroad
Member
I hope you can pick the sex of your character again... nd this time Species... Damn it I don't want to be tied down tl humanity!