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Audioboxer
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(10-12-2017, 06:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by katsais

That’s it. I’m getting a gaming PC for the holidays. I’ll be damn curious to see what can be done in Destiny 2 PC.

With a game as MP focussed as that expect to be banned instantly. Cheating for SP games is more the area people are prepared to get hostile at devs if they ban people for it. There's a commonly agreed stance that bans on a PC need to happen in MP games because competitive cheating ruins communities.

I'm sure people will try and say they're only cheating for the dyes, and maybe some would do only that, but Bungie will still ban you in a heartbeat. They're not banning you for piracy though, just because you went against the TOS you agree to when you use their online servers. Then again that is how devs and pubs will treat SP games going forward. You connected to our online server to play your single player game as we made it "always online", so we're now going to ban your account.

To which PC gamers will continue to crack games and play them offline. Like Sim City.
StereoVsn
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(10-12-2017, 07:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by MatPiscatella

I guess? But these can be bought with in game currency which, by all accounts, the player is swimming in though normal gameplay. What's the point?

That's the peasant "silver" lootboxes. For endgame grind you need "gold" lootboxes which can only be purchased with real money.
fabricated backlash
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(10-12-2017, 07:07 PM)
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Now that is respecting peoples free time.
butman
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(10-12-2017, 07:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by texhnolyze

Is this a bad thing or a good thing? I'm not even sure anymore lol.

Audioboxer
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(10-12-2017, 07:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by fabricated backlash

Now that is respecting peoples free time.

What, you mean the hypothetical workload struggling father of six children shouldn't be dancing he can spend $99.99 in NBA 2K18 to have more fun quicker in his MyCareer save?

It's almost as if easy modes in games used to offer 2xEXP or 2xCredits (like Persona 5), or people just downloaded or entered cheat codes (/type god_mode 1 in console).

I know achievements came along and people frowned upon others getting them without the effort, but we're now moving on from that to wondering if cheating is piracy?
Aretak
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(10-12-2017, 07:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by JaseC

Gold, which is needed for gold loot boxes, is stored server-side, so we're halfway there already!

There are potentially ways around that too. As an example, Mass Effect 3's multiplayer had loot boxes (way back in 2012!) that could be bought both with in-game currency and real money. Your in-game currency was stored locally though, so editing it and buying a million boxes was trivial.

For Mass Effect: Andromeda's multiplayer, they moved your in-game currency server-side, so that it was no longer possible to change it. A good plan, but quickly foiled by much more sophisticated memory editing that changed things such as enemy wave budgets, timers and ready-up prompts to effectively auto-farm currency for you. Leave it on overnight and you have enough money for more loot boxes than you'll want to sit there opening.

Granted, in a game that isn't immediately dumped after launch, this would probably get you banned sooner rather than later (there were tons of ban waves for ME3MP, including for editing credits, but have been none for MEAMP, presumably due to there being nobody left to handle them). It's interesting just how far you can go with direct memory editing tools to bypass these things though, breaking completely different elements of the game to achieve the same end result.
2blackcats
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(10-12-2017, 07:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by StereoVsn

That's the peasant "silver" lootboxes. For endgame grind you need "gold" lootboxes which can only be purchased with real money.

There's legendary orcs in regular loot boxes too. There's enough info out now that we don't really need to bring up the "gold boxes are needed for end game" fallacy any more.

As long as people are playing offline they can have as many loot boxes as they want. Hope they're not invading other players fortresses though.
Diprosalic
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(10-12-2017, 07:23 PM)
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I do this with VC and 2k because some modes are unplayable without it.
L.O.R.D
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(10-12-2017, 07:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by olubode

Someone please change “Power” to “Loot Boxes”.

Ricerocket
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(10-12-2017, 07:30 PM)
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Originally Posted by katsais

That’s it. I’m getting a gaming PC for the holidays. I’ll be damn curious to see what can be done in Destiny 2 PC.

Not much. You won't be editing any stats or currency like you can here considering that game is heavily online. Same reason they can't get gold currency here, that data is not on your PC.
prudislav
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(10-12-2017, 07:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by Kyoufu

Time to force online connections on players to prevent loot box cheats.

isnt it already online-only to even access the ingame currency lootbox menu?
ViciousDS
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(10-12-2017, 07:34 PM)

Originally Posted by Diprosalic

I do this with VC and 2k because some modes are unplayable without it.

VC is stored server side and even checked at every earning.....it doesn't work


It only works as XP with offline careers
FLAguy954
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(10-12-2017, 07:38 PM)
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Originally Posted by roytheone

I have 0 problems with players cheating in a single player game. I do it myself occasionally, can make replays way more fun.

Same.

Multi-player games however...
Chris_Rivera
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(10-12-2017, 07:38 PM)
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MUnited83
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(10-12-2017, 07:38 PM)
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It's a bit hilarious anyone sees using the cheats as a "screw WB, i outsmarted theeeeeeem"... like, you guys realize they knew that people would cheat, right? There's a reason there's a offline currency like Mirian and a online one with gold. Obviously gold is the one that WB gives a shit about and don't want you to aqquire.

Originally Posted by StereoVsn

That's the peasant "silver" lootboxes. For endgame grind you need "gold" lootboxes which can only be purchased with real money.

This incorrect on both accounts. You don't need gold lootboxes for endgame grind, and gold lootboxes are aqquirable with in-game currency that you earn while playing.
Slayven
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(10-12-2017, 07:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by Audioboxer

It's funny seeing trainer and cheat websites now asking people to pay for cheats... But then again, that's essentially what developers and publishers do at much higher price points xD (prices below are hilarious, but if you ever wanted enough currency in some of these games to unlock everything quick you'd be paying $100's to some of these pubs/devs, per game).



I'm going to assume there are now pirated cheat programs out there lmao.

People rage about companies selling cheats, but will buy them from a third party? The industry knew they were leaving money on the table, who could blame them
The Citizen Kane of Games
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(10-12-2017, 07:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by Slayven

People rage about companies selling cheats, but will buy them from a third party? The industry knew they were leaving money on the table, who could blame them

Aren't those cheats for online multiplayer? Whole other ball game (apart from battlefront 2)
OriginalPoe
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(10-12-2017, 07:48 PM)

Originally Posted by BernardoOne

It's a bit hilarious anyone sees using the cheats as a "screw WB, i outsmarted theeeeeeem"... like, you guys realize they knew that people would cheat, right? There's a reason there's a offline currency like Mirian and a online one with gold. Obviously gold is the one that WB gives a shit about and don't want you to aqquire.

This incorrect on both accounts. You don't need gold lootboxes for endgame grind, and gold lootboxes are aqquirable with in-game currency that you earn while playing.

I'll be the first one using a gold cheat if one drops. Can't wait.
Audioboxer
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(10-12-2017, 08:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by Slayven

People rage about companies selling cheats, but will buy them from a third party? The industry knew they were leaving money on the table, who could blame them

Someone did correct me on Shadow of War

Originally Posted by thehillissilent

You can do it for free with cheat engine. Here are some free ones:

http://fearlessrevolution.com/viewto...ba80e28eea22ce

http://fearlessrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5118

MUnited83
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(10-12-2017, 08:30 PM)
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Originally Posted by Slayven

People rage about companies selling cheats, but will buy them from a third party? The industry knew they were leaving money on the table, who could blame them

eh, different cases. Cheathappens does have a edge over free cheats and they provide a pretty decent service. And there's a number of their trainers that have cheats that are more than simple editing and required quite a bit of reverse engineering.
I definitely see a whole more value on a website that goes over and beyond on keeping every trainer updated as much as possible and frequently reverse engineers complicated stuff, all for a decent enough price for that service, than only very simple cheats offered by publishers that have do even less work to change any of the values.

Originally Posted by The Citizen Kane of Games

Aren't those cheats for online multiplayer? Whole other ball game (apart from battlefront 2)

No, cheathappens doesn't have online cheats.
jabuseika
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(10-12-2017, 08:34 PM)
It's a single player game.

Once you buy it, you can do whatever you want to it. If you break it, that's on you too.
WaterAstro
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(10-12-2017, 08:34 PM)
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So if you want to protest the loot crates, but still support the game itself, you buy the game and pirate it to cheat? I guess. lol
Sini
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(10-12-2017, 08:38 PM)
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Originally Posted by Audioboxer

It's funny seeing trainer and cheat websites now asking people to pay for cheats... But then again, that's essentially what developers and publishers do at much higher price points xD (prices below are hilarious, but if you ever wanted enough currency in some of these games to unlock everything quick you'd be paying $100's to some of these pubs/devs, per game).



I'm going to assume there are now pirated cheat programs out there lmao.

Paid trainers from that site have been a thing at least since 2009, wtf is this post

I remember being upset when they made all their new trainers premium only back then when I still used them often.
RoyalFool
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(10-12-2017, 08:42 PM)
Pretty sure this is stealing, seems weird they added transactions to the game but no sort of server side validation of consuming them.

I remember hearing that one of the major problems with this title was that some items only drop from loot boxes, and therefore would be unobtainable once the servers are shutdown. Sounds like that isn't the case now which is great news.

Half tempted to actually pick this up, if someone can confirm this is 100% legal.
Orthogonal
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(10-12-2017, 08:44 PM)
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Wonder if they will ban people for "cheating" on a single player game. Would be an interesting precedant.
2blackcats
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(10-12-2017, 08:44 PM)
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Originally Posted by RoyalFool

Pretty sure this is stealing, seems weird they added transactions to the game but no sort of server side validation of consuming them.

I remember hearing that one of the major problems with this title was that some items only drop from loot boxes, and therefore would be unobtainable once the servers are shutdown. Sounds like that isn't the case now which is great news.

Half tempted to actually pick this up, if someone can confirm this is 100% legal.

You can't steal the paid ones. This thread is just about the free ones.
Mechanized
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(10-12-2017, 08:46 PM)
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Well, you can't steal something that has no value according to the ESRB, so have at it I say.
MUnited83
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(10-12-2017, 08:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by RoyalFool

Pretty sure this is stealing, seems weird they added transactions to the game but no sort of server side validation of consuming them.

I remember hearing that one of the major problems with this title was that some items only drop from loot boxes, and therefore would be unobtainable once the servers are shutdown. Sounds like that isn't the case now which is great news.

Half tempted to actually pick this up, if someone can confirm this is 100% legal.

Considering Mirian is not even available for purchase with real money, you have literally zero to worry about. I mean you'd have zero to worry about either way, but this currency literally can't be bought.
Audioboxer
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(10-12-2017, 09:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by Sini

Paid trainers from that site have been a thing at least since 2009, wtf is this post

I remember being upset when they made all their new trainers premium only back then when I still used them often.

My PC gaming days were mostly entering console commands and downloading trainers from random forums. So are you saying you were "wtf" surprised I wasn't down with the recent times and charging for cheats for PC gaming? I know MP cheats have been charging for a while, but I've never been on that website before.

I mostly play Football Manager on my PC, and a few simulation/strategy games. I primarily game on PS4.
thehillissilent
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(10-12-2017, 09:05 PM)
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Originally Posted by BernardoOne

eh, different cases. Cheathappens does have a edge over free cheats and they provide a pretty decent service. And there's a number of their trainers that have cheats that are more than simple editing and required quite a bit of reverse engineering.
I definitely see a whole more value on a website that goes over and beyond on keeping every trainer updated as much as possible and frequently reverse engineers complicated stuff, all for a decent enough price for that service, than only very simple cheats offered by publishers that have do even less work to change any of the values.


No, cheathappens doesn't have online cheats.

I agree. Cheathappens is legit and I'm a Lifetime member. They do a great job keeping up with the latest version of games.
Col.Asher
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(10-12-2017, 09:10 PM)
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Can fake servers be made home side for the gold loot boxes?
shimon
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(10-12-2017, 09:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by Col.Asher

Can fake servers be made home side for the gold loot boxes?

Who knows,they made fake servers for other stuff before so...
Lashley
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(10-12-2017, 10:20 PM)
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God bless mrantifun
Gamegeneral
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(10-12-2017, 10:28 PM)
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This is why always online happens.

Ah well. Cheat away, friend.
Hyun Sai
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(10-12-2017, 10:32 PM)
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How can you steal what is free ?
liezryou
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(10-12-2017, 10:32 PM)
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There was a 44mb patch just released... god dammit if this post caused a patch for this...
zerokoolpsx
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(10-12-2017, 10:36 PM)
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Thank you Cheat Engine.
nynt9
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(10-12-2017, 10:38 PM)
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Originally Posted by thehillissilent

I agree. Cheathappens is legit and I'm a Lifetime member. They do a great job keeping up with the latest version of games.

So you're paying a company to be able to not pay a different company?
MUnited83
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(10-12-2017, 10:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by liezryou

There was a 44mb patch just released... god dammit if this post caused a patch for this...

Why would it? WB has literally always known this would happen. It's the very reason this currency is offline and gold is online.
NegativeCero
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(10-12-2017, 10:47 PM)

Originally Posted by Valtýr

My immediately animal brain reaction is "Hah! Gonna buy it now and do this just to spite them!" then I realize the end I would be giving them a sale they wouldn't have got before.

Weirdly I had the same thought. That's exactly what they want too. I'll gladly skip it though because I'm not dying to play this.
liezryou
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(10-12-2017, 10:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by BernardoOne

Why would it? WB has literally always known this would happen. It's the very reason this currency is offline and gold is online.

Because corporations are greedy?
OriginalPoe
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(10-12-2017, 10:50 PM)
People asking/concerned if adding Mirian is "stealing" or "piracy"...

Are you serious?! Like, how can you possibly even care either way?
Spiritwalker
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(10-12-2017, 10:51 PM)
Good.
MUnited83
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(10-12-2017, 10:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by nynt9

So you're paying a company to be able to not pay a different company?

that's a pretty faulty comparison I feel.

There's a huge world of difference between paying a relatively cheap fee to people who constantly reverse engineer and modify games, and keep those applications constantly updated, with a crapload of cheats that are not in any way available officially in 99% of games, and which cheats often include some more complex stuff.
That's a whole lot different from paying a company to turn a 0 into a 999999 for 99.99$ for that one single game.

Originally Posted by liezryou

Because corporations are greedy?

Greedy...for what? You can't buy miriam with money. You can't buy the silver boxes with money.. Your statement makes no sense whatsoever. If they wanted it to be uncheatable, they would make the currency online only like the gold currency. They haven't been caught by surprise, they already knew the offline currency would be susceptible to cheats.
synce
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(10-12-2017, 10:54 PM)
Next game confirmed online only
Lettuce
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(10-12-2017, 11:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by hellishimp

Already have the trainer for it. I support this as a way to fight the corporate overlords and their insatiable greed.

Or it could just stop them from making PC ports!
shimon
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(10-12-2017, 11:01 PM)
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Someone figured out how to access Market and all online features in the game lol
Inviusx
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(10-12-2017, 11:02 PM)
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You can do this in Forza 7 as well.
thehillissilent
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(10-12-2017, 11:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by shimon

Someone figured out how to access Market and all online features in the game lol

No. These trainers are not for online use. If you try to modify the Gold amount, which can be bought with real money, it will reset to the actual amount upon connecting to their server infrastructure. This trainer can be used for Mirian silver currency only which is only earned by playing the game.
MUnited83
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(10-12-2017, 11:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by thehillissilent

No. These trainers are not for online use. If you try to modify the Gold amount, which can be bought with real money, it will reset to the actual amount upon connecting to their server infrastructure. This trainer can be used for Mirian silver currency only which is only earned by playing the game.

I think he might be talking about Steam006 (dude known for cracking Denuvo in Life is Strange Before the Storm). He's currently trying to break the protection on the gold. He's still testing it though, and even then he says he might not release it publicly.

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