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CrichtonKicks
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(10-13-2017, 02:18 AM)
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Originally Posted by kc44135

Wow, Bioware really is dead, huh?


You weren't worried after the awful experiences that were DA2 and Inquisition?


No, I really enjoyed Inquisition.
gogosox82
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(10-13-2017, 02:19 AM)
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Well that isn't good news for DA4. I'll miss him, he's been with Bioware for so long now. Wonder what he'll do next.
Sou Da
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(10-13-2017, 02:20 AM)
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Originally Posted by Sanctuary

It's been up for a while. Bioware is effectively just another AAA modern shooter developer thrall of EA now.

To be fair it's pretty disingenuous to pretend that people who said this kinda stuff liked Gaider or Laidlaw to begin with.
Son Of Sparda
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(10-13-2017, 02:21 AM)
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DA is literally the only reason why I even bother to click on a Bioware thread anymore. If they somehow mess that up then I'll be done with them for good.
Rellik
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(10-13-2017, 02:24 AM)

Originally Posted by kc44135

Wow, Bioware really is dead, huh?


You weren't worried after the awful experiences that were DA2 and Inquisition?

I love how GAF tends to take a highly praised and awarded game and act like everyone thinks it was shit.
Renekton
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(10-13-2017, 02:26 AM)
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Developing AAA SP WRPGs is a suicidal endeavor at this point, it's either Skyrim/Witcher or die. I don't think it makes sense for Bioware to make another Dragon Age.
Surfside
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(10-13-2017, 02:32 AM)

Originally Posted by Renekton

Developing AAA SP WRPGs is a suicidal endeavor at this point, it's either Skyrim/Witcher or die. I don't think it makes sense for Bioware to make another Dragon Age.

But it was a very successful series for EA. Why wouldn't they make another one?
Mezoly
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(10-13-2017, 02:32 AM)
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Originally Posted by Renekton

Developing AAA SP WRPGs is a suicidal endeavor at this point, it's either Skyrim/Witcher or die. I don't think it makes sense for Bioware to make another Dragon Age.

Other than ME:A, what recent AAA SP WRPG has failed?
Tertullian
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(10-13-2017, 02:33 AM)
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No more self-contained, rewarding experiences for you. You will grind our pseudo MMOs until the end of time and you will like it.
dreamfall
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(10-13-2017, 02:40 AM)
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This is saddening. Heís one of the few names I really associate with Dragon Age. For all the good and bad, that man is a legend.
Crawl
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(10-13-2017, 02:46 AM)
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Did inquistition sell well enough? I mean it seems like these single player games to EA seem hardly worth the investment. Suprised it got greenlit - but happy it did.
Floody
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(10-13-2017, 02:53 AM)
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Not filling me with conference after the way ME:A went. Didn't it also have a few high profile guys leave early-ish in development?
I do think it's way easier to fuck up something like Mass Effect though, so will hope for the best.

Good luck to Mike.
mcfrank
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(10-13-2017, 02:57 AM)
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IMO they should be having the dragon age team do KOTOR anyway. I liked DA inquisition a lot, but I really want a new kotor.
MisterShine
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(10-13-2017, 02:59 AM)
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The lead writer on the Dragon Age series is Patrick Weekes, who basically did everything that was great in Mass Effect 2 & 3.

I'm sad to see Laidlaw go but the series is in safe keeping as far as I'm concerned.
almostjuliuscaesar
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(10-13-2017, 03:21 AM)
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That was anticlimactic considering DA4 was re-confirmed by the time I got here lol
Vamphuntr
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(10-13-2017, 03:24 AM)
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Originally Posted by mcfrank

IMO they should be having the dragon age team do KOTOR anyway. I liked DA inquisition a lot, but I really want a new kotor.

Considering the uproar over the romances in the past few Bioware games It seems those are a huge part of the appeal to their fanbase and I doubt they could be allowed to do the very same with the SW IP.
lonerism
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(10-13-2017, 03:37 AM)
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Originally Posted by Mikey Jr.

People hated D2, People didn't like D3.

Not a great track record here. Maybe its for the best?

Talk for yourself

Because the game is great, was highly acclaimed and sold well ;-)
Superkewl
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(10-13-2017, 03:49 AM)
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Originally Posted by Nirolak

and then he effectively became Creative Director for the entire series afterwards.

Considering the series went to shit after the first game, this is actually giving me a glimmer of hope...
BRocknRolla
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(10-13-2017, 04:05 AM)
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I dispute the notion the Dragon Age is still "alive."

Will they put another game? Probably. But it'll be a shambling zombie like the last.

Originally Posted by Tertullian

No more self-contained, rewarding experiences for you. You will grind our pseudo MMOs until the end of time and you will like it.

You're literally already describing DA:I.
Taelus
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(10-13-2017, 04:08 AM)
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Originally Posted by BRocknRolla

I dispute the notion the Dragon Age is still "alive."

Will they put another game? Probably. But it'll be a shambling zombie like the last.



You're literally already describing DA:I.

Trespasser was a step in the right direction.
BRocknRolla
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(10-13-2017, 04:10 AM)
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Originally Posted by Taelus

Trespasser was a step in the right direction.

Sure. I don't know that I would hold out hope though that the DLC was where things were headed given Bioware's general output.
Renekton
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(10-13-2017, 04:14 AM)
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Originally Posted by Surfside

But it was a very successful series for EA. Why wouldn't they make another one?

The market has changed drastically: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1439984

Making traditional AAA's is very risky and often-unrewarding nowadays, unless you're among the absolute creme de la creme (aka GTA and Witcher). This is why developers just go into GAAS, mobile, esports or other routes to stay solvent.
MartyStu
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(10-13-2017, 04:18 AM)
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Originally Posted by lonerism

Talk for yourself

Because the game is great, was highly acclaimed and sold well ;-)

The game has not held up very well. Being early in the generation let it get away with quite a bit.
Sanctuary
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(10-13-2017, 04:19 AM)
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Originally Posted by Sou Da

To be fair it's pretty disingenuous to pretend that people who said this kinda stuff liked Gaider or Laidlaw to begin with.

Not really following. I was never a big fan of DA anyway (I enjoyed the first game enough, but never felt like it was OMG THE BEST RPG IN FIFTY YEARS! like so many others), and only truly enjoyed the first two Mass Effect games. The last Bioware game that I really enjoyed came out over seven years ago. I think that's enough time.

Originally Posted by Rellik

I love how GAF tends to take a highly praised and awarded game and act like everyone thinks it was shit.

Shadow of Mordor got GOTY by a lot of critics. And your point is?
hateradio
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(10-13-2017, 04:26 AM)
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Didn't really care for him after DA2. He was really selling a turd there.


DAI was okay, but eh. RIP DA?
Renekton
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(10-13-2017, 04:29 AM)
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Originally Posted by MartyStu

The game has not held up very well. Being early in the generation let it get away with quite a bit.

How about DA:I brought enough to the table for a decent amount of people, I think we can agree with that.

Originally Posted by Keinning

Funny, i'm playing through the game right now for the first time (stalling before doing the empress assassination thingy) and i think it looks pretty good and nowhere near as catastrophic as the internet made me believe it was

GAF hyperboles a lot lol. Just look at this GAFer's description of Super Mario 2's poisonous mushroom
Keinning
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(10-13-2017, 04:29 AM)
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Originally Posted by MartyStu

The game has not held up very well. Being early in the generation let it get away with quite a bit.

Funny, i'm playing through the game right now for the first time (stalling before doing the empress assassination thingy) and i think it looks pretty good and nowhere near as catastrophic as the internet made me believe it was
inky
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(10-13-2017, 04:33 AM)
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Originally Posted by anexanhume

I wonder how much longer Bioware has a future in SP focused games. Doesnít feel like long.

This will be their last game, I'm sure. From then on they'll be the Anthem 1, 2, 3, 4... etc. people.
BRocknRolla
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(10-13-2017, 04:34 AM)
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Originally Posted by Keinning

Funny, i'm playing through the game right now for the first time (stalling before doing the empress assassination thingy) and i think it looks pretty good and nowhere near as catastrophic as the internet made me believe it was

It's not catastrophic. People saying it's a disaster aren't being honest.

It's mediocre. It's unfortunately also something like 40+ hours of mediocrity. And that's this biggest problem.
MartyStu
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(10-13-2017, 04:36 AM)
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Originally Posted by Keinning

Funny, i'm playing through the game right now for the first time (stalling before doing the empress assassination thingy) and i think it looks pretty good and nowhere near as catastrophic as the internet made me believe it was

Design-wise, not visually.

I actually really liked the game until about halfway through.

Originally Posted by BRocknRolla

It's not catastrophic. People saying it's a disaster aren't being honest.

It's mediocre. It's unfortunately also something like 40+ hours of mediocrity. And that's this biggest problem.

Very well put.

Mediocre game with decent character writing and stellar character performances.
KyanMehwulfe
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(10-13-2017, 04:37 AM)
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On one hand, I loved DA INQ so that's too bad that he's left the team. On the other hand, I've seen enough criticism from others for both of the last two games -- the last 2/3rds of the entire series -- that maybe some new creative input is a good thing. I mean, if you liked DAO when he was 1 of 3 leads, but didn't like the next 2 DAs where his role increased, then if anything this could mean at least a 'change' in the creative input going into the next game.
gogosox82
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(10-13-2017, 05:34 AM)
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Originally Posted by Keinning

Funny, i'm playing through the game right now for the first time (stalling before doing the empress assassination thingy) and i think it looks pretty good and nowhere near as catastrophic as the internet made me believe it was

I don't think anyone said the game was ugly looking and people had issues with the design. The mmo fetch quests, power mechanic, game is pretty easy even on nightmare, Corypheus is pretty one note and boring as a result, the story kind of falls flat at the end. I wouldn't say its bad because its not but I wouldn't call it great either. Its medicore. For DA4, if they want to make it an 100 hour game, let's not have us picking up resources for 20 hours of it.
Chhem
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(10-13-2017, 05:38 AM)
Mike Laidlaw is a pretty cool guy. Iíve met him at Pax and have seen him multiple times there. Heís always made it a point to reach out to his fans, sign autographs etc. Looking forward to what he does next.
carlsojo
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(10-13-2017, 05:40 AM)
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Yeah DA4 is still coming for sure, Inquisition was a success by any metric. Here's hoping they don't mismanage it into fucking oblivion like they did with Mass Effect.
OnionPowder
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(10-13-2017, 05:40 AM)
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Originally Posted by inky

This will be their last game, I'm sure. From then on they'll be the Anthem 1, 2, 3, 4... etc. people.

Unless that tanks, then BioWare is probably dead.

Hopefully it does well, even if it's not at all what I was looking for from Bioware.
Some Nobody
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(10-13-2017, 05:49 AM)

Originally Posted by jdstorm

Yep. Just make it a Hero action game where your co op buddies are the characters in your party and then regularly release expansions/DLC episodes that continue to tell the story you were telling.

Leave the heavy RPG elements, trim the co-op so I've got a full party with characters, and you can release expansions and DLC episodes all you want so long as each "episode" is a complete tale of 20-25 hours.
Alpha Phoenix
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(10-13-2017, 08:45 AM)
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This seems suspiciously out of the blue to me. Still looking forward to DA4. Good luck, Mike.
Lucreto
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(10-13-2017, 08:57 AM)
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Got a scare there for a second.

If they did drop Dragon Age and with Mass Effect on break there is absolutely nothing from EA worth buying.
Abilidebob
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(10-13-2017, 09:06 AM)
I keep reading that as Marc Laidlaw and wondering since when he went from Valve to EA.
texhnolyze
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(10-13-2017, 09:09 AM)
Crisis averted.

Originally Posted by kc44135

You weren't worried after the awful experiences that were DA2 and Inquisition?

Dragon Age Inquisition was my 2014 GOTY.
HellofaMouse
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(10-13-2017, 09:14 AM)
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If hes the guy that turned dao into da2 then dai, im kind of ok with that
JeffZero
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(10-13-2017, 01:06 PM)
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Folks, DA4 is still coming, and it's relatively safe to presume some of Mike's input will exist within its DNA. This is still kind of shitty, though, but honestly I've felt like he's wanted to delve into indie for a long time. He has such passion for it. I think it probable that's where we'll see him next.

Originally Posted by texhnolyze

Dragon Age Inquisition was my 2014 GOTY.

Same.
AkelisRain
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(10-13-2017, 04:29 PM)
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Dragon Age origins is one of my favorite games, but DA2 and Inquisition were incredibly bad games in my opinion. If DA4 is close to Inquisition I will skip it.
BrassDragon
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(10-13-2017, 04:38 PM)
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This is a loss. I really enjoyed Inquisition, flaws and all, and reading Blood, Sweat, and Pixels by Jason Schreier gave me a renewed appreciation for the obstacles overcome by Laidlaw and the other Dragon Age leads. He was also engaging, open and honest when presenting his team's work and doing press for them.

Don't really have a handle what he was doing prior this announcement so it's hard to say how this will impact the next Dragon Age.

With all these BioWare veterans leaving, Casey Hudson really needs to recruit, shape and empower the next generation of leads.
Ralemont
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(10-13-2017, 04:39 PM)
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As a big Dragon Age fan who even went so far as to write a lore thread about it, Dragon Age 4 being the last one isn't exactly a bad thing. There's something to be said for series finishing and not just running out the clock on their relevance until it gets cancelled with an unfinished storyline. Trespasser gave it the momentum it needed, now DA4 can see that through.

But if DA4 hadn't happened, that would have been awful.

Also, people, please get over yourselves with the "nobody liked DA3!!!" thing. It won numerous critic and reader game of the year awards (it doesn't matter if it was a weak year. People don't actively vote for things they don't like) including NeoGAF voting it Best RPG over Shadowrun and Divinity. It was popular, even if Witcher 3 later overshined it.
Yopis
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(10-13-2017, 04:48 PM)
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Guess they are turning this into phone game also.
BouncyFrag
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(10-13-2017, 05:07 PM)
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At the end of Dragon Age 2 we were teased with both the Warden and Hawke mysteriously disappearing. It then turned out to be absolutely nothing, much like the handling of the Dark Ritual decision in the first game. The prospect of also meeting the Warden was dashed when all you got from him or her is a post card.

I finished the game and that was it which felt odd as I almost always replay Bioware games to try out different classes and decisions, but not anymore. I'm not even mad, just painfully indifferent.
Lnds500
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(10-13-2017, 05:12 PM)
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At this point I hope someone will make a game that scratches that DA itch, because my hopes for a good DA game have completely evaporated.
Marcel
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(10-13-2017, 05:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by OnionPowder

Unless that tanks, then BioWare is probably dead.

Hopefully it does well, even if it's not at all what I was looking for from Bioware.

Bioware is the living dead already. Anything else bad that follows would just be putting a directionless zombie out of its misery.
Rellik
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(10-13-2017, 05:21 PM)

Originally Posted by BouncyFrag

At the end of Dragon Age 2 we were teased with both the Warden and Hawke mysteriously disappearing. It then turned out to be absolutely nothing, much like the handling of the Dark Ritual decision in the first game. The prospect of also meeting the Warden was dashed when all you got from him or her is a post card.

I finished the game and that was it which felt odd as I almost always replay Bioware games to try out different classes and decisions, but not anymore. I'm not even mad, just painfully indifferent.

They really did back themselves into a corner by making the warden a mute in Origins. How do they fix that problem? Just slap a random voice on them that everyone will bitch about? Have them nod in conversation?

And the whole Hawke character creator thing was terrible. Mine looked nothing like my Hawke from DA2 and there was no way to make her look like that either.

Still a great game that I've 100% completed multiple times, but that character creator gets me mad.

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