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At least thirteen dead as van hits crowds in Barcelona
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Audioboxer
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I think most people can get together on the male stats. They're hard to ignore. I know the details around why they get radicalised will be debated, as I've had people debate me before saying martyrdom isn't a thing in Islam. It's always about who is preaching what though, and we have generations of history as to how vocal voices or powerful voices can use religion and passages in books to radicalize and encourage ways of thinking. The Bible belt in America to this day still uses the Bible to try and fight against anything LGBT or women's rights. Whereas everyone probably knows of some Christian women who are fierce advocates for LGBT and women's rights. The point there being yes, there is always loads of examples of reasonable, kind and caring religious people.
The fundamentalists use religion and religious texts as their tools in spreading their hate and ideologies. It's the men, often younger ones, who the routinely seem to get caught up in believing it all. Or should I say acting on it. Maybe some women do believe it all too, but why aren't they acting out like the men do? Well, some could probably point out when it comes to the most dangerous ideologies most seem to be built by men for men. The women are routinely abused the worst under the worst ideologies. Again, male power tripping and reaching for control over everything in their paths.
As for what do we do? Well I think most Governments and intelligence services already know and think a lot of the above. They are trying to focus on ways to either help educate young men, or if need be target them to stop them acting out. All they would need to do is look at their own watch lists and how they will probably be majority male. The white supremacists and Neo-Nazis in America are a bit more open in their displays, and we all know if you look through pictures from their events it's still nearly exclusively males.
part of it comes from the ability to not put yourself in such situations where the worry may be warranted.
For example, people get killed crossing the road every day. Doesn't mean you should ignore accident prone areas, walk across busy intersections without care, or even walk across any road without care.
condolences to the victims and their families.
George Washington
Member
RIP
forknknife
Banned
Taking Al-Andalus (Muslim Spain) back is of of the main objectives for Islamism.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Andalus
The Hamburglar
Banned
so they fucked up the second attack by flipping the vehicle and getting blasted by police. They practice their attack on PUBG?
seriously though glad the second one was stopped, i'm travelling their next week.
seriously though glad the second one was stopped, i'm travelling their next week.
titiklabingapat
Member
Vehicles and pedestrians do not mix. Still do not understand how or why barricades or retractable bollards are not installed in popular tourist areas. Seems like a no brainer and the technology a;ready exist. They also do not have to look intrusive either.
Audioboxer
Member
It costs a fair bit of money to set them up across all cities. I think it's also a sad scene of the times that everyone needs reminded when they congregate in social and public areas that all these eyesore concrete blocks and things are there because their society is getting attacked.
That's not me saying I don't support them being in place. If they can save lives or prevent attacks it's a no brainer. It is just sad to see them have to go up in 2017, and yes, taxpayer money has to get diverted from other "more important" things to terrorism.
Shit, really? I've been too busy writing feelings above than following the news. Different terrorist cell or linked to earlier?
Edit: On BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40971004
hydrophilic attack
Member
You still need to be able to deliver goods to all those shops and restaurants
mario_O
Member
I don't know. But I imagine it's all linked. It looks like a big op was planned. There was also a huge gas explosion yesterday, also linked to the terrorists. Possibly something went wrong and the terrorists blew themselves up.
It could've been much much worse. Thank god.
TheVampire
Banned
So is this the new thing?
Replace bombs with ramming people down in cars?
Replace bombs with ramming people down in cars?
titiklabingapat
Member
Then stop where the bollards are, or lower them at night when most deliveries usually happen.
Audioboxer
Member
Vehicle ramming attacks have been used in Europe and the Middle East for a while. Sickeningly, it's what the asshole in America probably took "inspiration" from.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle-ramming_attack
forknknife
Banned
They're getting desperate, is my take.
demosthenes
Member
Back in my hotel. Whew, what a day.
Police were escorting people from checkpoint to checkpoint to hotels.
Police were escorting people from checkpoint to checkpoint to hotels.
Not everyone knows how to make an explosive. Almost anyone can get access to a car or truck.
Honey Bunny
Member
But pretending it didn't happen wasn't?
Masterspeed
Member
Sadly it won't help with trucks and vans because blue collar workers would never be up for AI cars. They go for cheap affordable vans and cars you can easily rent without ID.
That's why most of this happens, because they're always renting them for "business" sadly doing it this way is the easiest possible way ever and the cheapest for them. It's fucked up at how easy they can achieve what they want without little to no planning needed.
Hashmal_Bringer_of_Order
Member
It's like you didn't read any of them though...
When I say "can't come soon enough", I'm referring to the inevitable future where it is actually no longer legal for a human to drive a dangerous vehicle. It won't happen soon, but it will happen. And we'll be much safer.
It became popular once ISIS made it part of it's new manifesto when they were no longer being satisfied with the mass shootings their inspired following were committed to.
What's your point? This is what happens with death in general. People move on, except for the closest to the person who died. It's not about pretending it didn't happen. I find it fascinating that you read a post that was well intended (read it again while taking a step back) and you thought "I must act superior and snarky about it". Well congrats on your internet points I guess.
IdreamofHIME
Member
Crazy there was another attack and this thread stayed cold for hours.
GAF has its priorities and Spain being attacked twice ain't one of them.
GAF has its priorities and Spain being attacked twice ain't one of them.
There's another thread for that. What are GAF's priorities?
So, to summarize:
- Explosion in Alcanar, Tarragona (100 km away from BCN approximately) on wednesday, the first reports said it was a drug lab and some gas container exploded by accident. One dead, one injured. I remember hearing it in the news and not give it much thought. They were in fact fabricating bombs.
- A rented van rammed pedestrians in what's the biggest, more crowded street in BCN, at its core. The terrorist that did it escaped and he's still at large. 13 dead, 100 injured, mostly tourists.
- A second van confiscated in Vic (50 kms away from BCN), no explosives.
- Some guy ran over the cops on a police control in the outskirts of BCN. I think they killed the guy but I'm not sure he was related to this.
- A car with five terrorists tried to emulate the attack in BCN in Cambrils, hugely tourist place in Tarragona (100 km away from BCN). They injured 5 people but the police killed all five of them. Luckily this attack was stopped as these guys had the bombs.
- Now a train has been stopped in Garraf (20 km away from BCN) by order of the police, so there might be something going on now.
- Explosion in Alcanar, Tarragona (100 km away from BCN approximately) on wednesday, the first reports said it was a drug lab and some gas container exploded by accident. One dead, one injured. I remember hearing it in the news and not give it much thought. They were in fact fabricating bombs.
- A rented van rammed pedestrians in what's the biggest, more crowded street in BCN, at its core. The terrorist that did it escaped and he's still at large. 13 dead, 100 injured, mostly tourists.
- A second van confiscated in Vic (50 kms away from BCN), no explosives.
- Some guy ran over the cops on a police control in the outskirts of BCN. I think they killed the guy but I'm not sure he was related to this.
- A car with five terrorists tried to emulate the attack in BCN in Cambrils, hugely tourist place in Tarragona (100 km away from BCN). They injured 5 people but the police killed all five of them. Luckily this attack was stopped as these guys had the bombs.
- Now a train has been stopped in Garraf (20 km away from BCN) by order of the police, so there might be something going on now.
Bam Bam Baklava
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On the contrary, an entirely new thread was created for it.
AcademicSaucer
Member
Anything that happens in the US, which is understandable given the amount of posters that are from there
Greedings
Member
It's still pretty early in Europe, I suspect most people are asleep.
supervillain
Member
RIP to all the victims.
I will still visit Barcelona next week with my wife.
I will still visit Barcelona next week with my wife.
Endorphineforeverybody
Member
Thank you, the coverage from local media is so shit...almost as they don't care. Maybe to not worry us because our government is not able to make some damn barricades on our biggest shopping streets, where I have to go to work btw. Think it's gross negligence to not have them now.
Barcelona also has its center heavily restricted with barriers in certain places.
Also many parts of Spain do have these automatic bollards that only people who are residents can make go down and/or if you ring and are a delivery person someone let's you in.
Protection in heavy pedestrian areas,at least in spain, is there but it's impossible to stop these things unless you completely restrict traffic which is near impossible even though certain cities like Valencia have made the center heavily traffic restricted(to the iré of many residents)
Yep when I fell asleep last night I saw none of this on Spanish news.
Besides the fact that there are much more Americans on this forum and that what happens in US especially these days is more important to them, the second attack was reported during the night in Europe, so a lot of Europeans read about it in the morning. Still, there is a new thread about it even so.
Opus Angelorum
Member
My sister was in Cambrils this time last week on holiday.
This morning she posted an image of her 10 year old daughter, with some buildings in the background. Behind those buildings is where the second event took place.
Frightening.
This morning she posted an image of her 10 year old daughter, with some buildings in the background. Behind those buildings is where the second event took place.
Frightening.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Daesh craves attention. It's a hugely touristic country and Barcelona even more so. This serves as a propaganda amplifier and sends their message to countless countries and their citizens.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
To cause civil unrest in western democracies.
Patrick S.
Banned
They also haven't forgotten that Spain, through Aznar's representation, was a firm supporter of the Iraq war. That has marked Spain as target ever since.
Why should we accept it as the new norm?
chromatic9
Member
Probably was said because it's very hard to tackle.
IRA or ETA who are trying to either reunite their land or become separate. The climate has changed for these organisations generally and more so since 911. IS is about taking over the world.