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Killzone: Shadow Fall Multiplayer Runs at 960x1080 vertically interlaced
- Thread starter RoboPlato
- Start date
I see what you did there.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
The day we actually ditch DF for comparisons and actually get someone, with proper knowledge about these things, and instead of writing long ass articles with a bunch of crap just give us bulletpoints and graphics with framerates and other relevant data, is going to be great.
But unfortunately, we're stuck with them.
Joke post? You can´t put an NDA that last after release.
rokkerkory
Member
i see what you did there
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
You said:
The purpose of resolution is to increase sharpness and clarity of an image. Folk playing Shadow Fall's multiplayer noted that the image quality appeared blurrier than normal for a native 1920x1080 resolution. They were unable to discern why, and due to statements from Sony were under the impression the blurriness was a product of bad anti-aliasing solutions (FXAA is a known culprit for image quality blur) instead of actual pixel resolution. Now they know it's the latter, not the former.
And since they had already noted that the image quality was blurry, and the reason for that image quality is resolution, then resolution is not "meaningless".
gundamkyoukai
Member
Thought it run mostly at 60 with a smaller player count but higher numbers have problems ?
No. That is what you are seeing. I am saying the gaming community as a whole.
Titanfall's multiplayer resolution has been counted various times through the alpha and the beta. We have known it's resolution every step of the way. On the other hand, Sony has an exclusive first-person shooter of its own, one of its few first-party launch titles, yet it takes us 3.5 months to figure this out.
I just feel that so much focus has been centered on Microsoft where clearly some things are slipping by on the Sony side.
Ricerocket
Member
We need a direct feed non-promo shot of the MP. Seems like no one even bother with MP for this game cause it's really hard to find any.
ArkkAngel007
Member
Is there a console game out there that doesn't experience major drops? Never seen any mp game run at a constant framerate either.
Isn't an excuse, but seems par for the course.
Iced_Eagle
Member
Heh. Not bad.
Maybe they did but didn't want to post about it for whatever reason? Generally insiders get more info than they post about.
iceatcs
Junior Member
ArchedThunder
Banned
The reason no one noticed is because the hight is still 1080 and it is sorta alternating parts of frames to give the effect of full 1080p. when you look at a game that is sub 1080p it has to be upscaled on both hight and width. Killzone isn't really doing any upscaling so the final outcome is something that looks 1080p but with something off about it. It makes perfect sense that no one noticed.
The weirdest part is that Leadbetter clearly talked to GG about this when he visited the studio and wrote the tech article on the game but didn't include it until today's article.
Dictator93
Member
Someone wanna pixel count these?
Not sure if they are capture card or PS4 share button
1280X720
xb1 wins again
I have said this before, and I will say this again. Amateurs on this board, would do a better job noticing graphical techniques, resolution, etc... than DF does.
LookAtMeGo
Member
The multiplayer is really good. If you liked KZ2 you will like this (maybe not as much) and I agree I would like to have the native 1080 with 30fps. I dont think 60fps is needed for this game with how unstable it is at 60 anyway.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=95150260&postcount=4844
taken with an avermedia extremecap u3
Doesn't MP normally look worse than SP in these games? I thought it was just normal. Had no idea it was upscaled. I see people calling it a blurry mess, but that's hardly true. It's blurrier than SP, but not jarring or anything. Pretty impressive for half resolution frames. But yeah, maybe people can stop talking about resolution now. It's really not the end of the world. PEACE.
SniperHunter
Banned
Battlefield 4 has a lot more going on and it runs way better than KZ SF. Like someone said earlier, they probably made a last minute call to make it a 60 FPS game. they should have stuck with 30 FPS
The reason that pixel counters could have a hard time catching this is that the game uses temporal reprojection. The previous "960x1080" field is reprojected based on motion buffers and used in the next frame (alongside the current 960x1080 field), so in static imagery, you actually DO get a full 1920x1080 image. It's not "upscaled."
It just gets a bit flaky when the game is in motion. It's not going to look quite as clean as raw 1920x1080 renders, and of course things that don't get tracked nicely by the motion buffer (like small particles) and going to look like they've been shoved through an interlaced CRT.
Sort of a clever solution, and it arguably looks significantly cleaner most of the time than 720p-ballpark content, but I wouldn't personally call it "native 1080p."
It just gets a bit flaky when the game is in motion. It's not going to look quite as clean as raw 1920x1080 renders, and of course things that don't get tracked nicely by the motion buffer (like small particles) and going to look like they've been shoved through an interlaced CRT.
Sort of a clever solution, and it arguably looks significantly cleaner most of the time than 720p-ballpark content, but I wouldn't personally call it "native 1080p."
EightBitNate
Member
Good thing I can't tell the difference.
makingmusic476
Member
Explains so much. I thought AA just turned to shit in multiplayer, much like how MLAA on ps3 varied wildly in results depending on implementation and the resources dedicated to it.
Shady shit, Guerrilla.
Shady shit, Guerrilla.
Just stings that after all of the hub-bub about resolution Sony/GG decided to stay silent during the whole thing.eh? This is was most likely a rushed launch game. They could fix the resolution and the frame rate with a patch. I think they will fix one of two, let's wait
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
Or maybe they could have lowered the bells and whistles a bit and actually pulled 60 fps off. Nintendo games were 60 fps, it's not like its some unreachable achievement. What they did is try to make shit look next gen fancy, safrificed performance, and lied about it.
iceatcs
Junior Member
Someone wanna pixel count these?
Not sure if they are capture card or PS4 share button
I don't think it is native, it resized to 720p upload.
There is a trick url make it larger.
You can see the upscaling artifacts pretty clearly in those.
LookAtMeGo
Member
I do.
No the point is you shouldn't accommodate the 1080p and/or 60fps crowd if you're only going to do it half-assed. Now Shadowfall MP is stuck between 1080p60fps reaching neither, GG only have themselves to blame.
Chobel
Member
Someone wanna pixel count these?
Not sure if they are capture card or PS4 share button
Not good for pixel counting because they're 720p (PS4 share button).
Someone wanna pixel count these?
Not sure if they are capture card or PS4 share button
No, those are both 1280x720 res shots.
You need shots that are the native output res (in this case, 1920x1080).
Resolution was counted because the developers and EA wouldn't say what the resolution was.
Someone wanna pixel count these?
Not sure if they are capture card or PS4 share button
Can't; those are 720p screenshots.
Dictator93
Member
The res upscaling and interlacing is super obvious here. Like damn.
Since the interlacing occurs temporally, the artifacts appear some times as ghost dithered stuff from the previous frame. That must look really confusing in motion.
I'm sorry. I honestly didn't know that.
HORRORSHØW
Member
i'm in agreement here. GG, and sony by extension, have lost some goodwill from me.
maneil99
Member
The res upscaling and interlacing is super obvious here. Like damn.
Since the interlacing occurs temporally, the artifacts appear some times as ghost dithered stuff from the previous frame. That must look really confusing in motion.
That looks awful. Ew.
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vpance
Member
Yea, those don't look too hot.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Most people can't tell the exact difference in pixels but they knew something is wrong .
They will see a image and say this look blurry it can't be 1080p but they believe GG and went with AA instead .
Point being people were able to tell you something is wrong just like normal people do but they don't know the reason why until you tell them .
The lesson here would be people should trust there self instead of the devs when they though it was upscale .
SniperHunter
Banned
who cares honestly? The game bombed hard. barely 3000 people playing it at any given time. last thing GG needs is more bad publicity after the reviews. i guess they just moved to the new ip
Game didn't bomb in sales. It sold well over 2 million by now.
The game didn't bomb. I thought it sucked, but it sold well. Bet there are a lot of people like me who bought it off launch hype and haven't touched it in a while.
why do you sign your posts with your username and an emoticonLOL needs a beanie to make it truly current affairs
ps3ud0 8)
I wonder if this would look any better with a 1080i TV?