AgentOtaku
Member
>=(
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Metal Gear Solid 3D Snake Eater |OT| "The world was split into two - HD and 3D."
- Thread starter Criminal Upper
- Start date
>=(
MindCollizion
Member
What am I supposed to do with those Yoshis? I shoot at them and all they do is make the Yoshi noise...
Something good happens if you shoot them all!
Wolfe
Member
How many are there?
UncleSporky
Member
One in every loaded area of the game, I believe. 64?
Including some very hard to get ones during...certain parts.
Including some very hard to get ones during...certain parts.
Yeah, it's more of a streamlining thing then a totally gamechanging thing.
But I like it.
It always felt awkward for me when I tried moving crouched Snake only to watch as he started crawling.
drag him into the lockers in the second floor and a cutscene will trigger
It was that bad originally, but the game had a blurring effect that minimized the choppiness that isn't present in this version.
Inconsistent cutscene framerates are something of a tradition for the series.
yeah just knock him out when he's there upstairs, it'll be easier, on the far back of the room
Oh and hey there's a glitch during the
that lets you use 3D in the FPV with one of the turrets laying around. Needless to say, I know why they cut it out of the main game. My eyes crossed and I had to close one eye in order to properly shoot at all.
Doing a hard mode no kill no alert run atm. Got up to
without any problems other than the
haha
I rage quit'd after I was getting some terrible framerates in the fight itself while using the Thermal Goggles. So bad my inputs were being delayed by like 2ish seconds =\
last fight with Volgin
Doing a hard mode no kill no alert run atm. Got up to
The Fear
jumping scientists in Granin's lab
I rage quit'd after I was getting some terrible framerates in the fight itself while using the Thermal Goggles. So bad my inputs were being delayed by like 2ish seconds =\
Rocket Punch
Member
Knowing Kojima he probably left it there to mess with the player.
Wolfe
Member
Naw dude I dunno why they cut that feature but RE:R has no issues with first person aiming in 3D, if it looks bad in that game it's cause it's not implemented properly (and considering it's disabled normally that makes sense).
Vyse The Legend
Member
This has been covered extensively already. It has nothing to do with good/poor implementation.
It works in Revelations, because of the laser sight.
The only gun in MGS3 that has 3D first-person aiming is the EZ Gun, which also uses a laser sight.
Wolfe
Member
That's cool, I didn't realize the gattling gun in RE uses a laser sight.
So, I had a copy of MGS3 vanilla that I'd never got around to, but thanks to MGS 3DS I finally decided to play it. Hopefully it's still okay to post impressions in here with everyone else.
First off, the theme music/intro for this is better than most Bond movies. Seriously. And speaking of the theme, *late game spoiler*
Secondly, the story is much better than expected, especially since I played MGS4 first. Although, I do have some questions about something from near the end of the game.
First off, the theme music/intro for this is better than most Bond movies. Seriously. And speaking of the theme, *late game spoiler*
How fucking awesome was it to hear it play again climbing up that ladder?
Secondly, the story is much better than expected, especially since I played MGS4 first. Although, I do have some questions about something from near the end of the game.
Before Snake is tortured, why does Volgin grab his junk? Are Volgin and Raikov lovers? And is Raikov somehow related to Raiden? He looks a lot like him and they crack some jokes about Snake's fairy disguise, not to mention the similarities in the name
Vyse The Legend
Member
Stream of bullets when it fires.
Yes.
Raikov and Volgin are lovers. Volgin grabs his junk, and realizes it's not Raikov. He looks like Raiden, because fans hated him in MGS2. So, as a tip of the hat, Kojima poked fun of him in MGS3 -- ONLY TO MAKE HIM AWESOME IN MGS4.
Wolfe
Member
Fair enough, but until I see something that actually states that this is the case I'll remain slightly skeptical.
When you're aiming with the guns in RE, where are you focusing?
Where the laser sight is, right?
Aiming in FPS view in MGS3 means you have to use the sights, and look "through" the gun to hit an enemy. If it was 3D, then you'd get an effect similar to the rifles in RE (in 3D, of course).
If you own RE, you probably know what I'm talking about, but if you haven't tried it yet, take out a rifle, take aim down it and turn up the 3D.
Yay double images.
UncleSporky
Member
Another nice feature the 3DS game has that I haven't seen talked about is that the camera saves pics to the SD card in 2D or 3D. So if people really want to compare to the original, it should be pretty easy. 
His name is Major Ivan Raidenovich Raikov. Raidenovich means "son of Raiden."
Also, Raidenovich is a play on words in Japanese. "Raiden" means thunder god, and is one of Volgin's nicknames (due to his power). Raidenovich in Japanese sounds a lot like "Raiden no vich," i.e. "Raiden no bitch," i.e. "Volgin's bitch!"
Also, Raidenovich is a play on words in Japanese. "Raiden" means thunder god, and is one of Volgin's nicknames (due to his power). Raidenovich in Japanese sounds a lot like "Raiden no vich," i.e. "Raiden no bitch," i.e. "Volgin's bitch!"
Wolfe
Member
Yeah but now you're comparing a scoped weapon to ones without, to be honest you've just reversed my opinion back to what it was lol.
Here's my question to you, go into RE:R and use first person aiming and go through all the weapons checking out how it looks, take out the laser sight and I see no reason why the aiming wouldn't still work the exact same way. Except in this case you would just have to approximate where the line of fire is going to be (middle of the screen basically.)
Again I will point to the example of the gatling gun fight in RE:R, sure there is a "stream of bullets" that acts similarly to the laser sight but unlike the laser you can stop firing and the stream of bullets stops, game is still in 3D first person aiming. Also with that fight in particular you don't want to be spamming the gun as it will overheat or the enemy won't always be in plain view, there was plenty of times I used burst firing and didn't have any issues aiming.
While I'm not saying the laser thing isn't a very real possibility, I think using the example of the scoped rifle was poor as that weapon is emulating pure single eye aiming.
I'll be happy for someone to prove me wrong but I need something a little more convincing.
Graphics Horse
Member
Only have the demo but the Shotgun uses 3D first person in that. But hey, it's a shotgun.
I assumed it was related to the original letting you switch between 2 different First Person stances for certain sight enabled weapons, and here FP view forces you into the iron sights mode (2D) when available?
Shadow2222
Member
Even though I have MGS3 for PS2, PS3 (HD collection), and will most definitely be getting it on Vita, I still want a 3DS just for this game.
I must be crazy...
I must be crazy...
Graphics Horse
Member
Could anyone answer if the binocular controls are easier in the full game? I found the touch screen slider very awkward. Do sniper rifles have a similar problem?
UncleSporky
Member
It's not even worth arguing about, it's something that's completely self-evident with just a little testing.
This isn't the right MGS and it's not quite aiming down the sight, but here, this is literally what you see if you aim down the sight in 3D:
or:
It doesn't work. Aiming down the sight specifically, without the presence of a laser dot on your opponent for you to focus your vision on. When you're looking at your gun, you'll see two soldiers. When you're looking at the soldier, you'll see two guns. You NEED an indicator on the target itself in 3D.
This isn't the right MGS and it's not quite aiming down the sight, but here, this is literally what you see if you aim down the sight in 3D:
or:
It doesn't work. Aiming down the sight specifically, without the presence of a laser dot on your opponent for you to focus your vision on. When you're looking at your gun, you'll see two soldiers. When you're looking at the soldier, you'll see two guns. You NEED an indicator on the target itself in 3D.
That's what you would see, realistically, but there ARE ways to still deliver the illusion by faking it. When you look down the sights in Killzone 3, for instance, the game is still in 3D yet the way they project the image allows it to work. It's not exactly realistic, but it still looks great and convincing. It seems to depend on which layer you are projecting to. If you project the gun further away from the camera in 3D space you should be able to see both it and the enemies in 3D with depth between them.It's not even worth arguing about, it's something that's completely self-evident with just a little testing.
This isn't the right MGS and it's not quite aiming down the sight, but here, this is literally what you see if you aim down the sight in 3D:
or:
It doesn't work. Aiming down the sight specifically, without the presence of a laser dot on your opponent for you to focus your vision on. When you're looking at your gun, you'll see two soldiers. When you're looking at the soldier, you'll see two guns. You NEED an indicator on the target itself in 3D.
Colonel Mustard
Banned
Just whooped
ass. Thermal goggles helped.
Commence
!
The End's
Commence
the ten minute ladder
Wolfe
Member
Cmon dude, first off I'm not arguing, I'm trying to have a discussion. Secondly it's not self evident (to me, as in no one has explained why it technically cannot be done, I have yet to hear a convincing example since I jumped into the conversation) when one game can apparently do it just fine.
I simply want someone to enlighten me, I'm ignorant on the subject and can only form an uninformed opinion at the moment.
Again I will bring up the example of the gatling gun, it uses no laser sight and I had no problems with the 3D in first person view using it regardless of it I was firing the weapon or not. If this is flawed let me know why!
I totally understand that the laser aids in allowing the player to focus on things within the 3D space or whatever but I just fail to see why you would be unable to do first person aiming without it.
I'm not sure you even got my point. Let me try and clarify:
When aiming using a scoped weapon in RE, you're trying to line up the sights with the enemy. When in 3D, the object you're not focusing on blurs into disorientating double images, as others have shown/stated.
The same concept applies to the FPS mode in MGS, because you're not aiming the gun from the hip or with a laser in most cases (and the ones that are being aimed in those ways have 3D, further demonstrating the point). You're aiming down the sights. That is, trying to line up an object on one plane with an object in a closer/farther plane.
It's basically the same concept as the 3D scope in RE because you're doing essentially the same thing for most weapons in MGS.
It should be noted that the scope in RE isn't "emulating pure single eye aiming" because you can see 3D while aiming down the scope. So that shouldn't factor into this at all.
Again I will bring up the example of the gatling gun, it uses no laser sight and I had no problems with the 3D in first person view using it regardless of it I was firing the weapon or not. If this is flawed let me know why!
That's because unlike most MGS weapons, you're not using the weapon itself to aim.
http://youtu.be/Cpn-sod9IVI?t=6m54s
As you can see, the bullets go toward the center of the screen. You're not using the weapon itself to judge where the bullets are going to go. The center of the screen is the focus, not the weapon.
If you had to actually use those iron crosshairs on the gun, it'd act similarly to RE's scoped weapons. But you're not even focusing on the gun at all during the battle.
Wolfe
Member
That definitely makes more sense, and was what I assumed you were getting at I was just getting frustrated at the lack of explanations as I don't want to assume anything.
Either way I'll let the discussion go now as I'm ok with that explaination. Thanks for clarifying.
No problem.
By the way, if you want to experience first person aiming in 3D with MGS3D, then use either the EZ-Gun, M37, M63, or Scorpion.
Throw poison dart frogs. He'll eat those instead.
There are plenty of those in the area where you fight the Fear.
So what I'm getting is
kill some dart frogs, use their meat as weapons and throw them on the ground when the music calms down
Yup. Collect some first then tranq him. You'll hear him when he's hungry so make sure to throw at least one for him to eat then tranq him again.
If this is your biggest concern then I advise you to stay as far away from this game as possible, because it's not meant to be played on the go at all.
UncleSporky
Member
Ehh...any game that supports sleep mode is fine on the go, IMO.
But caring about how the CPP makes you look is utterly ridiculous anyway.
I'm so glad I bought this version, totally worth it and portable!
Started it last night and completed the Virtuous Mission. I found the stardard controls to be playable and my biggest fear, sound quality, is great with headphones.
Early previews made me think this was going to be complete garbage, but fortunately, I can say I agree with most of the reviews so far.
Started it last night and completed the Virtuous Mission. I found the stardard controls to be playable and my biggest fear, sound quality, is great with headphones.
Early previews made me think this was going to be complete garbage, but fortunately, I can say I agree with most of the reviews so far.
Just use the thermal goggles and gun him to death when he hops around on the trees, sooner or later he'll land on the one you're aiming and just use you ak. Or tranq him if you want the camo.
The intro to the game is over half an hour long man, and filled to the brim with cutscenes.
Unless you're planning a trip to Hawaii or something, I can't in good faith recommend this game to people looking for a good 'game on the go'.
He'll also go after spoiled food, if you happen to have any on you. He's not the most picky eater.
Similar threads
- Locked