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Rachel Dolezal Says She Was Too Black for Her Black Husband
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Sho_Nuff82
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I'm back on board the, "This is a work" train.
She's going to end up on Fox news talking about, "as you can see, black people are the real racists."
She's going to end up on Fox news talking about, "as you can see, black people are the real racists."
Ray Wonder
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If spiders include eating her when they eat all humans I'm okay with it
Zvonimir Boban
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Silver Arrows
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being transgender does not equal whatever the fuck being transracial is
how many goddamn times does this need to be bored into people's heads
thesoapster
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Thanks, National Geographic. You only ever taught me about sharks.
How does she function? I'm fucked in the head and I'm struggling to hold down a mundane job and pay this stupid mortgage without falling apart. Her head is fucked all the way out the universe and she's able to rise to the head of local NAACP chapters and write memoirs?
This.
For real, WTF.
Edit: I want to hear her husband's story now. What was being married to her like?
EatinOlives
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That's not how gender dysphoria works at all.
Could someone have race dysphoria?
excelsiorlef
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EdibleKnife
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Thank you! I don't know how many times we have to go through with this shit. No one will make "transracial" a thing and to compare Dolezal to transgender people is an insult and if you're thinking about making such a comparison, kindly stop typing, actually learn about what it means to be transgender and have gender dysphoria before coming back to make your case.
No.
Earthstrike
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Transracialism has no scientific basis. At worst it is made up bullshit to undermine the fight fror trans rights. At best, it's a simple though experiment for the uninformed. I made a previous post about this that was quite long (And not even as thorough or accurate as I'd like it to be) in a previous thread precisely because I knew it would come up again. This is the second time in this thread.
Please link to old long post.
Earthbound64
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Try reading the thread.
EdibleKnife
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Alright. This talk of "Transracialism" comes up enough, with enough people pleading to simply not be educated enough on the topic, that there can exist a purpose served by a post which clearly and unequivocally explains why transgenderism is a real, documented medical condition, and transracialism is not. Hopefully this post can be used as in the future as a reply or at least reference to all future discussions of this nature.
I will achieve this result by demonstrating that transgenderism is backed up at both the theoretical and evidentiary level, whereas transracialism is not. We will do this by discussing the current most plausible scientific explanation for transgenderism, and then demonstrating why such a mechanism cannot exist for race.
Earthstrike said:
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And here's my own post from the same topic:
Me said:
People. Stop trying to make transracial happen. Stop insulting gender dysphoria and trans with the creation of racial dysphoria. Please educate yourselves on this subject because there are real lives on the line physically, emotionally and mentally and bringing up their struggles in regards to this conwoman trivializes them.
Sho_Nuff82
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People emulating other cultures is old hat. Imitation and flattery and all that.
Emulating another culture, and then coming out the side of your face with "So and so isn't black enough, I say this as a strong black woman and an expert on black culture" is probably the most racist thing you can do.
There's a difference between being a historian of black culture, and saying that you "grew up living the black experience" because you read about it in an encyclopedia.
There's also the whole issue of race being a primarily social construct, while gender/sex have tangible differences in the mental/physical. To argue otherwise would give credence to the "if he can identify as a woman, why can't I identify as a dog?" argument against transgenders.
ShironRedshift
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No, she's not, because there's no such thing.
To put it into simple terms, men and women have slightly different brain structures. That's stuff such as the relative size of different parts of the brain/synaptic density in certain regions of the brain, such as the corpus callosum. These differences don't have any effect on a person's IQ or intellectual abilities, but it seems to be these type of differences between the structure of male and female brains that seem to be responsible for which gender a person identifies as, regardless of their physical features. Brain studies and the like have indeed confirmed that the brains of transgender men more resemble those of men than women, despite them being born with the body of a woman otherwise, and similarly trans-women have brains more similar to women than those of men despite otherwise having a body of a men.
There are no such differences between the brains of blacks and whites, or any other such biological differences between them that would produce the same effects as the gender dysphoria that transgender individuals feel when they're not able to identify as their actual gender. If there were, eugenicists and white supremacists would have surely found that shit in like the late 19th century/early 20th century, because that was exactly the type of shit they were looking for to try and prove that blacks were biologically inferior. They found nothing, and had to rely instead on shifting the perspective of black skulls compared to white skulls and just displaying them at different angles and shit to "prove" that blacks were more apelike and shit. With no such differences existing, it's impossible for transracalism, in the context it's being used here, to actually be a thing.
That's why this women is hated--because what's she's saying is complete nonsense and is just a desperate bid for attention, that just muddies the waters and hurts transgender activism because of people conflating them when there's no link. And it's quite clear that she's only doing this for attention because she's done shit like trying to sue a HBCU for discriminating against her being white, in addition to all kinds of other nonsense in her past. She herself doesn't even believe what she's selling, so no one else should.
It's just complete hogwash, and people not having the time to look that up and just absorbing what she's saying without knowing any of that is why she's so hated: because it's unscientific nonsense that she herself doesn't even believe and just causes confusion and hurts stuff like trasngender causes for no reason because of people linking the two of them because of her when they're absolutely nothing alike (one's based on scientific fact and centuries of history, the other complete nonsense and only based on her made up attention-seeking stories).
Congratulations on being a shark.
Imperial Bishop
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Thanks. I was taught gender was a social construct so I was unaware of gender being rooted in physiology/hard science. This raises other questions that I will now go look into.
EdibleKnife
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When people talk about gender being a social construct in specific they are referring to the limitations society puts on gender: that there are clearly defined roles that are only appropriate for a specific gender. Male and female chromosomes still exist. Differences in male and female brain and body chemistry still exist.
It's about showing respect, she gets openly mocked because people think it's an act and she can just snap out of it at any point. I don't believe it's an act but rather a real medical condition that needs treatment. I also don't think Michael Jackson just did it for the lulz.
Now if you classify it as trans racial or as general mental illness is besides the point.
Point is she feels a certain way she had no say in, even if she comes off as annoying she should be treated with respect, like other people with a medical condition.
Now she could still fool us, shame on me, but she kept it up for way too long, that I have a hard time mocking her.
Ascenion
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The fuck. This should be insulting to my race but...it's just sad more than anything. Sweetie you need the best help mental health professionals can provide. Also you need to be bitch slapped back to the beginning so you can start over. Please and thank you.
Micheal Jackson still said he was black and in fact that any actor that plays him should be black. She does it for attention, nothing else.
EdibleKnife
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This. Of course people are keeping the discourse of him trying to "become white" comes form a superficial understanding of the situation. Same superficial understanding being displayed again now with Dolezal
The chromosomes and other physical things are thought of as defining sex, I thought. This line of inquiry regarding sex, gender, overlap, and construct was what I was going to go read more on. Old liberal thinking was only sex exists, gender does not need to and is entirely social and in fact is probably negative, based on stereotypes, and used to oppress us, so while I have always been for any less douchey legislation I was never quite clear on some of the specifics of the science, psychology, sociology, etc.
This is also a huge derail for this thread, sorry.
timetokill
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Isn't gender also a social construct?
ShironRedshift
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Please respond to my and EdibleKnife's posts in this case--what are you basing this on? "Feelings" and suspicions don't count. What scientific evidence in any way supports your position?
And like I said, she hasn't kept up the act. She's cracked at times, such as when she sued Howard University, a HBCU, for allegedly discriminating against her because she was white. She herself doesn't buy this stuff and is only using it to get attention:
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/rachel-dolezal-sued-howard-university-119024
http://www.motherjones.com/mixed-me...-sued-howard-university-racial-discrimination
And she isn't trying to be black she is trying to be some Neo-Minstrel stereotype of blackness that she fetishizes. she cites "Good Times", and "The Jeffersons" as pivotal examples of blackness.
Earthstrike
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Do you have any scientific evidence that would denote this as a real medical condition? Psychological illnesses are real, but you must remember that there can exist situations where there is an incentive to feign a psychological condition. e.g. pleading insanity for murdering someone when you did it of sound mind.
People who feel like they are of "another race" lacks both a body of evidence (i.e. a signifigant number of people who claim to have this condition) as well as a theoretical basis.
Taking everyone at their word regarding psychological illness can have negative societal ramifications.
Peter Ian Staker
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shadow_shogun
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Not sure if this was posted, but Vice news will airing a full segment on her tonight on HBO.
excelsiorlef
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Dude read up on her. She insults black men for dating white women, she denied an hispanic student from participating in a conversation about discrimination because she didn't look hispanic enough, she sued an HBC for discriminating against her for being white she invented hate crimes.
You insult trans folk when you compared her to my community.
And MJ had a fucking skin condition and never ever claimed to be or want to be white.
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