good analysis that I did not consider
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good analysis that I did not consider
I heard firebat's arguments about ladder on the omni podcast, I have to say I don't see why there is that much of a problem with a rock-paper-scissors mentality, I have come to the conclusion that all decks can win against all other decks are just an utopia, reaching that point is just way too difficult and with any expansion release the balance would be thrown off the window.
Having the rock paper scizzors mentality at least grants that a deck has good and bad matchups, never overpowered or never underpowered, I mean, purify priest is a thing that can win nicely now vs some matchups while others it loses considerably
Having the rock paper scizzors mentality at least grants that a deck has good and bad matchups, never overpowered or never underpowered, I mean, purify priest is a thing that can win nicely now vs some matchups while others it loses considerably
I'm not sure what this has to do with Hearthstone, but this is a thing now.
https://www.facebook.com/Hearthstone/videos/1481379551904808/
https://www.facebook.com/Hearthstone/videos/1481379551904808/
Their marketing campaign is folding in on itself.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
When I lose to quest mage, like 3 or 4 times it has happened, I take solace in the fact that it's a bad deck with a low winrate.
bernardobri
Steve, the dog with no powers that we let hang out with us all for some reason
"Man, screw Quest Rogue decks"
*gets The Caverns Below out of a pack*
"Hm, maybe I should give it a try."
*makes budget deck, wins five times in row*
"Hey this isn't so bad."
*loses three times in a row*
"Man, screw Quest Rogue decks"
*gets The Caverns Below out of a pack*
"Hm, maybe I should give it a try."
*makes budget deck, wins five times in row*
"Hey this isn't so bad."
*loses three times in a row*
"Man, screw Quest Rogue decks"
andregnreis
Member
Poisonous Weapon breaks Arena....
You mean Kelthuzad? Rafaam is the broken one. Only way you lose is if you play incredibly bad or get absolutely horrible hero power RNG.
That's not RPS though. Rock doesn't have a favoured match-up against scissors, rock crushes scissors. I'm seeing more and more of that in HS.
I agree with you that having good and bad match-ups is fine. Not all decks can or even should be 50-50 against each other. It's when that starts to skew towards 90-10 or even 100-0 when it becomes a problem.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
RPS is simply the concept that decks have favorable and unfavorable match ups. It's not literally drawing a parallel to rock paper scissors.
From the streamers I've watched doing arena, it's super super useful. I've seen it get the out of very tight situations.
I agree in that it breaks arena.
It's a spectrum. When I say something is "too RPS" I mean it's getting too close to literally being like RPS, which is bad game design imo.
There isn't anything that comes close to a 90-10 matchup right now though. Worst is like 75/25.
SonicXtreme
Member
side board, just need two for each deck, one for aggro and one for control. i'd like more but that seems reasonable that they could do. would be a huge help to be able to tech anti weapon and stuff without running a trash deck against other classes.
Professor Lich
Member
Almost had a win with Kel'Thuzad, but Rafaam discovered an Ice Block from Etheral Conjurer. Not like this shit isn't hard enough.
I've gotten The Beast once or twice and Nat Pagle once or twice. My classic legendaries have been AWFUL and I still need Leeroy.
yeah this is my second Beast. got Nat at least once as well. and Millhouse lol
Think I obviously managed to get lucky with the Brawl this week, I got Kel'Thuzad on my first attempt and managed to get Thaddius out on board followed by that minion that gives +1 +1 every time an enemy minion dies and he just steamrolled my way to victory.
In other news, I've just dusted all of my golden cards where I had x2 normal copies. Not really fussed by the flashyness, would rather move my way to filling in more empty spots in decks I want to complete. So I'm now back up to ~6000 dust. Think I'm gonna put it towards Midrange/Murloc Pally where I currently need:
x1 Sunkeeper Tarim
x2 Gentle Megasaur
x2 Vilefin Inquisitor
x1 Murloc Warleader
x1 Murloc Tidecaller
I also have the Shammy Murloc quest that I packed so doesn't hurt picking up decent murlocs like Tidecaller/Warleader and the Megasaurs.
I also want to finish off Karazhan finally and get Medivh, craft Alexstrasza and x2 Cabalist Tome for Secret Mage.
In other news, I've just dusted all of my golden cards where I had x2 normal copies. Not really fussed by the flashyness, would rather move my way to filling in more empty spots in decks I want to complete. So I'm now back up to ~6000 dust. Think I'm gonna put it towards Midrange/Murloc Pally where I currently need:
x1 Sunkeeper Tarim
x2 Gentle Megasaur
x2 Vilefin Inquisitor
x1 Murloc Warleader
x1 Murloc Tidecaller
I also have the Shammy Murloc quest that I packed so doesn't hurt picking up decent murlocs like Tidecaller/Warleader and the Megasaurs.
I also want to finish off Karazhan finally and get Medivh, craft Alexstrasza and x2 Cabalist Tome for Secret Mage.
Have played twice this brawl both with kel thuzad. Won easily both times. Don't think it's as bad as people say.
Twinguistics
Member
I'm thinking of crafting something to improve my quest rogue but not sure what. Which is better for the deck, preparation or swashburgler? I'm guessing for swash, I'd need two really to make it a bounce target.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Swash is getting cut from Quest Rogue as of recent.
2 reasons, he generates random cards and he pulls patches when you don't want to pull him.
Boy I wish I could share this replay against quest priest just now. Won with Quest rogue after 2 NZoths (had to vanish the first Nzoth board) and Amara thanks to freezing his whole board multiple times and drawing my only out a 2nd vanish when I needed it.
2 reasons, he generates random cards and he pulls patches when you don't want to pull him.
Boy I wish I could share this replay against quest priest just now. Won with Quest rogue after 2 NZoths (had to vanish the first Nzoth board) and Amara thanks to freezing his whole board multiple times and drawing my only out a 2nd vanish when I needed it.
No, I was talking the previous brawl where kelthuzad and rafaam faced off. kelthuzad was the broken one there, in this brawl they buffed rafaam while nerfing kelthuzad
Twinguistics
Member
Ok so I'm still struggling to make rank 15.I've been playing about 4 games a day with quest rogue and I'm currently at rank 18. I've been to rank 15 boss twice and slipped all the way back.
I need help.
Here is the list I'm running :
Backstab
Shadowstep x 2
Firefly
Hallucination x 2
Southsea x 2
Stonetusk x2
The canteens below
Betryal
Gadgetzan x 2
Loot hoarder
Novice x 2
Sap
Youthful brew master x 2
Fan of knives
Ignious
Mimic pod
Si7 agent
Assassinate
Thistle tea
Vanish x 2
Any changes suggested?
I need help.
Here is the list I'm running :
Backstab
Shadowstep x 2
Firefly
Hallucination x 2
Southsea x 2
Stonetusk x2
The canteens below
Betryal
Gadgetzan x 2
Loot hoarder
Novice x 2
Sap
Youthful brew master x 2
Fan of knives
Ignious
Mimic pod
Si7 agent
Assassinate
Thistle tea
Vanish x 2
Any changes suggested?
I'm missing Patches, but the list I was running included:
2x Preparation
2x Shadowstep
2x Firefly
2x Glacial Shard
2x Southsea Deckhand
2x Stonetusk Boar
2x Swashburgler
1x The Caverns Below
2x Bilefin Tidehunter
2x Gadgetzan Ferryman
2x Novice Engineer
2x Youthful Brewmaster
2x Fan of Knives
2x Igneous Elemental
2x Mimic Pod
1x Vanish
You generally want to use low cost minions that will be easy to bounce back to your hand. Firefly and Igneous Elemental are your best bet to complete quest since they give you the 1 mana elementals.
Having removal spells other than Vanish or Fan of Knives is interesting, but I find I just want to race to getting my 5/5's on board. Wasting mana and time with things like Hallucination, Backstab, Assassinate, etc. probably will hurt more than help.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
fan of knives is bad in quest rogue. You'll win too many matches you have no business winning because of vanish, definitely play 2.
what...?
EDIT: I just saw the news... what a bizarre move, are they trying to push the battle.net app as a stem competitor?
Lone_Prodigy
Member
That's why they renamed it.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Pulled Deathwing. Happy with that since it's something I've been back and forth on with crafting. Not sure if I'd put it anything right now
The PC audience for ActiBlizz is the Blizzard audience. They probably want Destiny 2 in the launcher to grow the Destiny brand on PC. Get the Blizzard fanboys to play it. I imagine that Blizzard still has a strong voice within the company and they won't try and push annual franchises like CoD onto the launcher.
Huh, I totally did not make the connection that Destiny is owned by Activision and Activision owns Blizzard so therefore Blizzard's launcher would launch Destiny on PC. :thinking:
edit: wait does this mean Destiny 2 won't be sold on Steam?
free card on may 20, no details whatsoever, just a free fight promoter as a log-in bonus. As weird as it can get.
http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/20720852/get-a-free-card-on-may-20-5-18-2017
I don't even think Destiny is an annual franchise now, more like a game with multiple DLC drops each year to keep it fresh, that aligns perfectly with Blizzards mind.
its bizarre that they are trying to make a push for the blizzard app as a steam competitor, though.
http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/20720852/get-a-free-card-on-may-20-5-18-2017
I don't even think Destiny is an annual franchise now, more like a game with multiple DLC drops each year to keep it fresh, that aligns perfectly with Blizzards mind.
its bizarre that they are trying to make a push for the blizzard app as a steam competitor, though.
Twinguistics
Member
Great, thanks! I'll try cutting a lot of the removal and adding in what I can from your list. I thought the removal might help me to prevent the board from getting out of control too much but I guess that's not working.
I often have the situation where I complete the quest on turn 4 but on 5 I have no board and wonder whether I should play the quest as it's effectively passing a turn. If I play it turn 5 then by 6 I'm really behind on the board and can't get anything to stick. What's best in this scenario? I've tried waiting a while to play the quest and that's not good either due to lack of removal and weak minions.
If you're facing a deck that's getting a significant board presence early (pirate warrior, aggro druid, etc.) you're probably in trouble regardless. You're best bet is to somewhat ignore their board and rush to get your quest done (this is why it's incredibly frustrating to play against Quest Rogue, because they are not interacting with you until they have a board full of 5/5s and pounding your face). Ideally by turn 5 you'll have a preparation to use with the quest and be able to drop a few 5/5s. After that it just snowballs for you.
also, I don't think anyone has posted it, but the latest data reaper was posted:
http://www.vicioussyndicate.com/vs-data-reaper-report-48/
Mage is in top place right now, seems like warrior is also considerably low, now paladin is much more used as control and murloc paladins
http://www.vicioussyndicate.com/vs-data-reaper-report-48/
Mage is in top place right now, seems like warrior is also considerably low, now paladin is much more used as control and murloc paladins
Twinguistics
Member
OK thanks I'll bear that in mind. The problem is I don't have preparation and so the quest always costs me 5 and uses up a whole turn.
Fixed1979
Member
It's a tough 800 dust to spend to craft 2x Preps... that's like half a legendary
Hopefully if you add another Firefly and Igneous Elemental you'll have better luck getting the quest off right on Turn 5. Even if you don't play anything else, against most control matchups (or aggro who have drawn poorly), you'll be in a good position if you can drop a bunch of minions on Turn 6.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Prep is a card you should have crafted if you want to play most rogue decks. Only aggro and tempo rogue don't run it.
Given that one of the most common complaints about the game is that with the new release calendar it got more expensive, do you think this along with the news yesterday about completing quests with friends, is their subtle response / attempt at compensating?
This card giveaway has been known about for months from data mining.
this was included in the update of ungoro around april 6, it was discovered in a data mining, no it doesn't have to do with it unless they already had the thought of how expensive ungoro is (which to be honest they should have been very aware)