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Sony announces Q2 results
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MC Sep-27 2010 said:
Psychotext
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Looks like week 38, and that would be the week Move was released. Really interesting, because it didn't seem to have any effect on the hardware in the US / Japan.gofreak said:
TheRagnCajun
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You're doing it Sony, you're doing it!
Psychotext
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Looks like about four weeks to me. Weeks 27 to 30.gtj1092 said:
Edit - Bah, you edited.
Also, what happened in week 37? Why the small 360 spike? (I've just noticed there's a proper thread for this now, will pose the question there).
Parmenides
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Yes, you're right.The Xbox 360 was never popular in continental Europe.bobbytkc said:
Europe: Hardware Sales
Germany:TOP 20 (January-September 2010)
Spain: TOP 20 (January September 2010)
France: TOP 20 (January-September 2010)
Of course,UK is different to the rest of Europe
UK: TOP 20 (January September 2010)
StealthGoblin
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Lagspike_exe said:
41.6 million by the looks of it.
Stumpokapow
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Graphics Horse said:... it's becoming truer day by day!
I put in the actual numbers, the "plus" represents "calendar year in progress"
(So in other words they were too bearish on 360, too bullish on PS3, and wrong but not with any particular pattern on the Wii)
Psychotext
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Sony as a whole made $375m (Net Income), Networked Products and Devices made (Operating Income) $84m (-$43m last quarter)JudgeN said:
Stumpokapow said:I put in the actual numbers, the "plus" represents "calendar year in progress"
(So in other words they were too bearish on 360, too bullish on PS3, and wrong but not with any particular pattern on the Wii)
Their wii projection was pretty impressive imo, even though it looks like they predicted that the decline would come a bit later.
szaromir said:
I'd guess none. It relies on a generation having a landslide winner, hence only seeing it with the FC and the PS2, followed by the succeeding gen taking off years apart in different markets--the Genesis has had a few sparks, but that's more related to Sega being exceptionally willing to license off production.
This gen will, on the other hand, probably have PS1-scale trickle all around. The Wii justifies it, as does HD twin multiplat.
demosthenes
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Pride said:
If the one reason is anything to go by, Sony is probably scrambling to find a facility to press the disc in the November time frame. Pressing the discs is lined up months in advance and they push back GT5 for even a week and they have to find a new time slot.
I saw that one, but counting the pixels for 120+ points takes more than time than doing it for just 4. =Pdolemite said:Weekly sales in "Europe"
Looks like either Move or Fifa sales helped the PS3 sales quite a bit. Also, the 360 is above the Wii, lol.
I'll only do that on the weekend, but if anyone can do it sooner, great.
It's interesting (possibly only to me) that Sony is slightly more bearish than Nintendo regarding the exchange rate. Nintendo is forecast ¥85 per dollar, and Sony has it at ¥83 per dollar. If Sony's right, it could make Nintendo miss their FY earnings forecast. If Nintendo's right, Sony could exceed their number.
It's really a shame MS never figured out Japan. They'd be killing it with the weak dollar.
It's really a shame MS never figured out Japan. They'd be killing it with the weak dollar.
PetriP-TNT
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Stumpokapow said:I put in the actual numbers, the "plus" represents "calendar year in progress"
(So in other words they were too bearish on 360, too bullish on PS3, and wrong but not with any particular pattern on the Wii)
I'm calling it.
And if anyone cares, AFAIK the only console in Finland that is able to push a lot of consoles is PS3, Xbox360 is doing decent and Wii is selling like shit
Some game business only data:
Sales: 171bn yen (-5% YoY, due to decreases in PSP hardware and PS2 software)
Operating income: Up 54bn yen YoY to 13bn yen for the quarter
Game business has been profitable for 4 straight quarters, targeting profitability for the FY overall.
Sales: 171bn yen (-5% YoY, due to decreases in PSP hardware and PS2 software)
Operating income: Up 54bn yen YoY to 13bn yen for the quarter
Game business has been profitable for 4 straight quarters, targeting profitability for the FY overall.
So, in dollars with today's currency:gofreak said:
Sales:
Nintendo - $2.15 billion
Sony - $2.11 billion
Microsoft - $1.65 billion
Operating income:
Microsoft - $382 million***
Nintendo - $380 million
Sony - $161 million
***Operating income of the EED (360+Zune+Mobile+others) as a whole.
I guess nobody is going 3rd party just yet. =\
REMEMBER CITADEL
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Rolf NB said:
That's for the whole year, right?
I did some math myself and unless I made a mistake, between July 1st and September 30th PS3 managed to sell roughly 343k units in Japan, while Xbox 360 sold only 66.07k. Meanwhile, NPDs put PS3 at 752.5k and Xbox 360 at 1284.19k. So for Japan and US we have PS3 at 1095.5k and Xbox 360 at 1350.26k.
Now, according to this:
they did roughly the same in Europe over the period, with Xbox 360 probably being slightly ahead as the Slim spike seems to have contributed more than the Move spike. So unless PS3 did amazing numbers in the rest of the world, comparatively, Sony seems to have overshipped by quite a bit more than Microsoft did.
It's quite evident that Sony didn't sell anywhere near 3.5 million for the quarter. They definitely overshipped but all companies do it. They have to make it look they they are going to reach that 15 million yearly projection.REMEMBER CITADEL said:That's for the whole year, right?
I did some math myself and unless I made a mistake, between July 1st and September 30th PS3 managed to sell roughly 343k units in Japan, while Xbox 360 sold only 66.07k. Meanwhile, NPDs put PS3 at 752.5k and Xbox 360 at 1284.19k. So for Japan and US we have PS3 at 1095.5k and Xbox 360 at 1350.26k.
Now, according to this:
they did roughly the same in Europe over the period, with Xbox 360 probably being slightly ahead as the Slim spike seems to have contributed more than the Move spike. So unless PS3 did amazing numbers in the rest of the world, comparatively, Sony seems to have overshipped by quite a bit more than Microsoft did.
AranhaHunter
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Impressive numbers, of course some will say that Sony is stuffing the channel without realizing that if that was true then the next quarter number would look significantly worse.
I'm more impressed with the PS2 though, that system is still kicking and, with Sony going and supporting developing markets, I think that will sell for some years to come....PSP at 67 million is 15 million away from GBA, I wonder if it can surpass it? If they sell the remainder 5 million for their FY projection and drop the price to U$119(3000)/U$149(bundle)/U$169(Go), then they can do it. Will be interesting to see and would be awesome if they can achieve it.
Sony as a whole has finally started to turn it around, Stringer is really doing it, next should be to get the profit margins up, which Stringer has said before is something he wants to do it, Sony moves enough volume and content that it should be able to at least do what Samsung does in a quarter/year.
I'm more impressed with the PS2 though, that system is still kicking and, with Sony going and supporting developing markets, I think that will sell for some years to come....PSP at 67 million is 15 million away from GBA, I wonder if it can surpass it? If they sell the remainder 5 million for their FY projection and drop the price to U$119(3000)/U$149(bundle)/U$169(Go), then they can do it. Will be interesting to see and would be awesome if they can achieve it.
Sony as a whole has finally started to turn it around, Stringer is really doing it, next should be to get the profit margins up, which Stringer has said before is something he wants to do it, Sony moves enough volume and content that it should be able to at least do what Samsung does in a quarter/year.
Lagspike_exe
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REMEMBER CITADEL said:That's for the whole year, right?
I did some math myself and unless I made a mistake, between July 1st and September 30th PS3 managed to sell roughly 343k units in Japan, while Xbox 360 sold only 66.07k. Meanwhile, NPDs put PS3 at 752.5k and Xbox 360 at 1284.19k. So for Japan and US we have PS3 at 1095.5k and Xbox 360 at 1350.26k.
Now, according to this:
they did roughly the same in Europe over the period, with Xbox 360 probably being slightly ahead as the Slim spike seems to have contributed more than the Move spike. So unless PS3 did amazing numbers in the rest of the world, comparatively, Sony seems to have overshipped by quite a bit more than Microsoft did.
Do you think they overshipped the PS2 as well?
BladeoftheImmortal
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EagleEyes said:
Same shit people said when they released their Q1 shipments also.
The fact is simply this, they are selling these units because retailers are buying even more of them.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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jcm said:
No, I was using only the sales numbers. I compared them to the shipping data only at the very end, which was the whole point of my post.
It might be incomplete, but it's the actual NPD and MediaCreate data plus Nintendo's internal numbers for Europe, so it's the best we have and probably quite representative of the actual situation.
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NHale said:
No, those are just by far the three biggest markets. Besides...
REMEMBER CITADEL said:
Since the first numbers we normally see out of Europe is the UK, I think a lot of us assume the 360 is keeping up with the PS3 in Europe. In the UK the race looks tight, but look at the software numbers in Spain and Germany. There is what, one 360 game total on both lists? These are full of PS3 and Wii and DS games. The UK is split, but outside of this region it looks like the "battle" is fairly one sided. I'd love to see software sales in all the European regions. We always hear the race between the 360 and PS3 isn't too close outside the UK, but we finally have a couple examples listed above. You want to turn a blind eye to hard data sitting in front of you by all means feel free to do so.
Lagspike_exe
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Mrbob said:
Regarding software - France + Germany + Spain = 1 Xbox 360 game in Top 20 (out of total 60 places). When you add UK to the mix, things get significantly better.
gundamkyoukai
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Sony seem to be doing better , now they have try to get PS3 price down some more. Still the Yen is hurting both Sony and Nintendo.
This Xmas would have been great with a GT5 +250 PS3 combo world wide.
This Xmas would have been great with a GT5 +250 PS3 combo world wide.
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Mrbob said:
That can't be denied, Microsoft really needs to try a lot harder in continental Europe. Hell, that's where I live and Microsoft is the only out of the big three not officially present on the Croatian market.
However, UK is the biggest market in Europe (for a while UK alone was even bigger than Japan) so it can - and does, when you look at the overall European numbers - practically make up for all the losses on the continent.
Lagspike_exe
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Chris1964 said:
I know that. I used France, Germany and Spain as a reference because there is known data for those countries.
REMEMBER CITADEL said:
No it doesn't.
Lagspike_exe
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LiquidMetal14
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More like making sense of the data. It's all there in the reports, minus spin.NHale said:
REMEMBER CITADEL said:
It'll be interesting to see how much of that 500 million Kinect marketing money will go to continental Europe. Because if history is to go by, it will be zero. :lol MS doesn't really bother marketing their titles here. I don't really understand why they don't try.