shrapnelmagnet
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Random: Why would you name a card Valley Dasher in a block with the Dash mechanic if you are not going to put it in the set(s) with Dash?
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Magic: the Gathering |OT11| Amonkhet - Have you ever had decks with a Pharaoh?
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Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
Dragon tribal is siiiick, but given the usual state of (most) precons, I'm curious how Wizards is actually going to make the thing semi-playable given the absurd curve shown so far + balancing the need for (good) fixers/rocks with the 99 card limit and not wanting to give 'too much' value.
Using Ur-Dragon as your commander means all your dragons always cost 1 less. This commander set is also the perfect place to reprint changelings (and make some new ones), so I don't think the curve should be much of an issue.
This is more egregious to me:
This could have been something like:
Time 1UU
Instant
Creatures target player controls don't untap during that player's next untap step.
//
Reflect 2WW
Instant
Aftermath
Redirect all damage dealt by creatures target player controls to that player until end of turn.
Dash wasn't a mechanic until Fate Reforged. It's not unlikely that the Khans file was locked before dash was 100% a sure thing in Fate Reforged. Also, at least Valley Dasher does something similar to what creatures with dash do (namely have haste and attack).
This is more egregious to me:
This could have been something like:
Time 1UU
Instant
Creatures target player controls don't untap during that player's next untap step.
//
Reflect 2WW
Instant
Aftermath
Redirect all damage dealt by creatures target player controls to that player until end of turn.
Remembrance
Member
Since every card in Time Spiral was a reference I had to look up what Scion of the Ur-Dragon was referencing in the first place: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/legends-time-spiral-2006-11-13
Somebody is going to bring this up pedantically, but literally nobody remembered that before this card got printed anyway.
Somebody is going to bring this up pedantically, but literally nobody remembered that before this card got printed anyway.
shrapnelmagnet
Member
Haha, fair. The "To" thing is certainly weird. I def don't see the need for the Time to Reflect name in the set.
RE: Valley Dasher, I know it's a different set, but it's the same block. Just funny.
RE: New potential cards, good lord! These are pretty hilair. Interesting that some podcasts people were claiming that C17 was monocoloured. Makes me very curious about the other decks.
Ultimate_Trainer
Member
So Im guessing all the C17 precons will be based around the Eminence keyword? I would love to have an elemental one, but Horde of Notions will forever be my commander.
SigmasonicX
Member
It's possible that they're simplifying the wording precisely because there's no other way to interpret it.
The new dragon deck looks sick as hell.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Scion gives no fucks about CMC. Big Ur Dragon makes for a unilateral show and tell.
All your early plays in Scion should be ways to accelerate into Scion, as Scion is all the value you'll ever need.
Once you have set up w in th a couple searches you can go and res big Ur Dragon with haste as well.
It requires less setup than Utvara Hellkite at 8 mana.
No kidding though, my scion deck's average cmc is 4.x while most of my other decks are 3.x or less with the more competitive builds being closer to 2 than 3.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
people are gonna be sad if the token isn't real
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Reverse image search'd. Came up with nothing.
Art direction fits with original O-Kagachi art
what the fuck? Cat Dragon? Dragon Avatar? holy shit, Scion's pappy!
Strictly worse than Descend Upon The Sinful
Also, if you can't find the art, its 99% real
The Ur-Dragon looks fucking nutty for a commander. Just having a permanent Dragonlord's Servant emblem from the start of the game onward is fantastic, but being able to turn it into a 10/10 card draw engine is too good.
Whether or not it'll be more popular than Scion remains to be seen. I know people love their tutors.
Also, part of me is miffed that O-Kagachi isn't a Hydra. Look at that original art! He's clearly a Hydra there.
Whether or not it'll be more popular than Scion remains to be seen. I know people love their tutors.
Also, part of me is miffed that O-Kagachi isn't a Hydra. Look at that original art! He's clearly a Hydra there.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Scion will be more popular since it gives you access to Ur Dragon anyways.
Yeah, probably. (2) is a lot cheaper than 4WUBRG after all.
I'm assuming that each of the "faces" of the new commander 2017 decks will have Eminence on them, and I'm interested to see what they cook up for the other 3 tribes.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Now I really hope there's no elves deck. Can you imagine Elfball with Eminence?
They wouldn't make that mistake.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I wish I had your confidence.
I don't think there's going to be an elf deck, because Freyalise was close to Elf tribal, but I wouldn't put it past WotC to underestimate Elfball.
I don't think there's going to be an elf deck, because Freyalise was close to Elf tribal, but I wouldn't put it past WotC to underestimate Elfball.
I could see there being an Elf deck. I don't think there's been a strictly Elf Tribal themed card in BWG, so I wouldn't be surprised to see an Abzan Elf lord.
I mean, as long as whatever the Eminence effect does isn't huge, it shouldn't be too much of an issue. I doubt it's going to be as big as making all of your Elves cost 1 less.
I mean, as long as whatever the Eminence effect does isn't huge, it shouldn't be too much of an issue. I doubt it's going to be as big as making all of your Elves cost 1 less.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
This card is awesome but we still need a better monk tribal commander than Narset or Shu Yun. It has to be at least Jeskai because of Soulfire Grandmaster.
Honestly a great card for a precon. I figured there had to be a "Dragons you play can't be countered" card in there, but I figured it'd be a Surrak Dragonclaw reprint if anything. Instead we get a brand new card that can be a solid commander on his own outside of any dragon theme.
SigmasonicX
Member
Neat to see Taigam finally get a card, and it follows the pattern of the other not!clan leaders from Dragons.
And so much for "can't be countered" being tertiary in blue, haha.
And so much for "can't be countered" being tertiary in blue, haha.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I was considering making a Dakkon Blackblade esper control list but I'll gladly switch it up for Taigam UW control.
It appears like they abandoned the foils, unless they put 2 copies in each, which is a shame since that means I won't be able to full art alter some of them.
It appears like they abandoned the foils, unless they put 2 copies in each, which is a shame since that means I won't be able to full art alter some of them.
Joe Molotov
Member
Deflecting Palm is pretty close, I'd say.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
okay now this is just weird but isn't it kinda good for storm? Manamorphose with this out is 4 additional mana. You can cloudshift it to reset the once per turn rider.
Hilarious with
Hilarious with
charlequin
Banned
Okay, so the weirdest thing about this so far is that there are (at least) five brand-new legends in this deck! I wonder if they felt like doing four new legends per deck was a big hit with C16 and just decided to up the volume; if there's five per deck here that'll be 20 new ones, just like the previous set.
Also, wow again at the deep cuts. Ramos is from Mercadian Masques and probably not a lot of people these days are thinking how much they want to fill in the gaps of that setting. Like Wasitora he's designed to hew pretty closely to the established facts from older cards and stories, too.
That's a huge flavor win for me. The Jeskai/Ojutai clan are the ones who do prowess and rebound, so they care about instants and sorceries -- and they're led by a dragon. That combo wouldn't make sense for anything else but it's exactly right for this character.
I think there was mostly negative feedback about the Commanders being foil in the previous set.
Also, wow again at the deep cuts. Ramos is from Mercadian Masques and probably not a lot of people these days are thinking how much they want to fill in the gaps of that setting. Like Wasitora he's designed to hew pretty closely to the established facts from older cards and stories, too.
That's a huge flavor win for me. The Jeskai/Ojutai clan are the ones who do prowess and rebound, so they care about instants and sorceries -- and they're led by a dragon. That combo wouldn't make sense for anything else but it's exactly right for this character.
I think there was mostly negative feedback about the Commanders being foil in the previous set.
Giant Panda
Member
It's interesting that dragons are getting their own precon so close to Iconic Masters which supposedly freatures many dragons.
Joe Molotov
Member
I'll bet we're finally getting a 5c legendary angel.
OH MY FUCKING GOD, RAMOS?????????
ARE YOU SERIOUS
I'M MARKING OUT
Holy shit he's the uber converge / sunburst commander. Fits way better than Progenitus holy shit
Basically you want to run as many 5c dudes as possible. Cascading cataracts!
TheBlackMarvel
Member
We can but hope.
Yes.
I doubt they'll make two 5c decks although it'd be cool.
This is my favourite of the bunch, but I feel like he really needed a red symbol somewhere.
SigmasonicX
Member
It's Dragons timeline and he appears to be pretty comfortable working for Ojutai, so including red wouldn't make much sense.
I get that it doesn't make sense storywise, but the dragons clause would get more use with red
I really like Ramos, like...I am already thinking about different decks to build and ordered a copy of Transguild Courier just in case
The sad reality is that no matter what I will end up building a really lame, under-powered deck that produces counters for no real pay off because I can not help my self
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I'd gush over a Naya Angel tbh.
charlequin
Banned
They've said one of them is a left-field choice, so something's gotta be weirder than these.
Also I'm basically 100% certain they won't do Humans.
I think anything mono is extremely unlikely, so zombies (which are easy to justify as, say, esper) are more likely than goblins (which despite history are really only gonna feel right at mono-red.)
Gavin says there will be one tribe that people wouldn't expect. It's obviously mono-green brushwaggs.
Also, I doubt any of the decks will be monocolored. Even in the big races like goblins and elves, there's multiple popular cards that are multicolor or off color.
I do hope at least one of the decks is class-based rather than race-based. Rogues or Soldiers or Shamans could be cool.
Also, I doubt any of the decks will be monocolored. Even in the big races like goblins and elves, there's multiple popular cards that are multicolor or off color.
I do hope at least one of the decks is class-based rather than race-based. Rogues or Soldiers or Shamans could be cool.
Joe Molotov
Member
Samurai Tribal pls
This or squirrels
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